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[Bo Didleysquat]

I see plenty of folk who do not want others to have healthcare.

I hope all who want healthcare get healthcare. I pay a $600 plus a month premium, have an $1800 deductible, $20 co-pay, and 80/20 after that.

It's a terrible deal for the consumer and if a person is forced to buy it and doesn't want it, I am good with their choice, none of my business. Now, if you think that is not wanting someone to have healthcare, I can't stop your stupidity.

it is your business because the cost of those that aren't covered gets recouped thru your premiums. you think those indigent are taken care of because hospitals do it outa the goodness of their hearts? & if you are going thru the ACA, any jump in premiums is because of the instability of the guarantee that bighealthcare is supposta get for their high risk corridors going back to 2015 & marco rubio's poison pill he put in the omnibus bill.

It cost either way. Whether the hospital gets reimbursed on the back end and raises their prices or insurance covers it on the front and raises premiums. A heart transplant would cost the same no matter if the person himself, insurance or the hospital paid and in many cases medical procedures are less when insurance isn't involved.

In many advanced nations with real healthcare, for profit health insurance is illegal.

Not sure that has anything to do with my statement. I never said otherwise.

Nothing ever connects for you, there are just all these independent dots you can't quite put together, I seen.

 

[Papageorgio]

Glad to hear it, I happy that people that want healthcare can buy it and we are now given a choice.

Do you know anyone who does not want healthcare?

I know people that get cut premiums however the deductible is to high for them to use it unless it is life or death.

Beats not having it. They get yearly checkups and other preventive care. Low cost or no cost colonoscopies, breast exams,
flu shots and other vaccinations....that is all required now.

And when it IS life or death....it prevents bankruptcy.

To some it beats not having it, to other the cost is something they can't afford. The only other thing on the list is vaccinations, I don't need them at my age.

you developed an immunity to the flu? every year? with every strain?

wow................. you rock!

I won’t do flu shots, my choice, just like having or not having healthcare is my choice.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

I see plenty of folk who do not want others to have healthcare.

I hope all who want healthcare get healthcare. I pay a $600 plus a month premium, have an $1800 deductible, $20 co-pay, and 80/20 after that.

It's a terrible deal for the consumer and if a person is forced to buy it and doesn't want it, I am good with their choice, none of my business. Now, if you think that is not wanting someone to have healthcare, I can't stop your stupidity.

I won't bother reposting healthcare systems analyses if you're not going to pay attention. We pay more than any other society and we get shitter outcomes precisely because of how our system works. Yes, our healthcare is terrible deal for the consumer, consumers are commodities, our system is wealth extractive. It's just business. Americans pay more for healthcare than anyone else on the planet.

I'm not quite sure what "stupid" means in this society to most, but I learned long ago to avoid packs and group think.

which has nothing to do with my post. Thanks.

Perhaps you should consider reading your post again.

You Infered that I don’t want others to have health insurance, I stated nothing to the affect.

No, I did not say YOU don't.

Why did you take it that way? Delve into your reaction and feelings.

 

[playtime]

the vast majority of the TOP 20 countries easily surpasses the US have universal healthcare.

They have surpassed nothing. People are dying waiting for a government controlled doctor to see them, regardless of the severity of the heart problem or wounds or disease. There is no free healthcare. Go to any hospital in Sweden and see if they will treat you soon and for free. The money for all this free health care comes from taxes that come right out of the citizen's pay checks. It is the opposite of free. It is mandatory and enforced.

There are no doctors in private practice. The gov. regulates them to death. It is no longer profitable to put in the grueling schooling, cost, internships, residencies, for so little in return. The countries you listed have no choice but to ration the doctors they still have. The people in those countries are sick of being taxed to the max and lack of health care and are turning back to private insurance companies, who receive preferential treatment.
They are warning us not to make the same mistake:

A recent study that examined over 5,800 Swedish patients on a wait list for heart surgery found that the long wait has consequences far worse than pain, anxiety or monetary cost. In this study, the median wait time was found to be 55 days. While on the waiting list, 77 patients died. The authors’ statistical analysis led them to conclude that the “risk of death increases significantly with waiting time.” Another study found a mean wait time of 55 days for heart surgery in Sweden and a similar rate of mortality for those on the waiting list. Finally, a study in the Swedish medical journal Lakartidningen found that reducing waiting times reduced the heart surgery mortality rate from seven percent to just under three percent.

Sweden's Single-Payer Health System Provides a Warning to Other Nations, by David Hogberg, Ph.D.

Tax the rich and the rich leave. France tried it already. The rich left. The middle class is now the soul provider for all the free shit. Learn from them.

Swedes and their children wait their turns. Some die waiting, some just get seriously worse before it's their turn. Learn from them.

Don't be stupid. Be informed.

the VERY valid links showed them thar countries ahead in the quality of healthcare surpasses the US.

'Swedes and their children wait their turns. Some die waiting, some just get seriously worse before it's their turn. Learn from them.'

are you kidding? i've seen that happen right here. if one has no insurance then dying b4 meaningful treatment is very common as their destiny.

Don't be stupid. Be informed.

& yet a vast majority would not trade UH for a profit driven market.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Do you know anyone who does not want healthcare?

I know people that get cut premiums however the deductible is to high for them to use it unless it is life or death.

Beats not having it. They get yearly checkups and other preventive care. Low cost or no cost colonoscopies, breast exams,
flu shots and other vaccinations....that is all required now.

And when it IS life or death....it prevents bankruptcy.

To some it beats not having it, to other the cost is something they can't afford. The only other thing on the list is vaccinations, I don't need them at my age.

you developed an immunity to the flu? every year? with every strain?

wow................. you rock!

I won’t do flu shots, my choice, just like having or not having healthcare is my choice.

Please bypass TB vaccination as well.

 

[Papageorgio]

Do you know anyone who does not want healthcare?

I see plenty of folk who do not want others to have healthcare.

I hope all who want healthcare get healthcare. I pay a $600 plus a month premium, have an $1800 deductible, $20 co-pay, and 80/20 after that.

It's a terrible deal for the consumer and if a person is forced to buy it and doesn't want it, I am good with their choice, none of my business. Now, if you think that is not wanting someone to have healthcare, I can't stop your stupidity.

it is your business because the cost of those that aren't covered gets recouped thru your premiums. you think those indigent are taken care of because hospitals do it outa the goodness of their hearts? & if you are going thru the ACA, any jump in premiums is because of the instability of the guarantee that bighealthcare is supposta get for their high risk corridors going back to 2015 & marco rubio's poison pill he put in the omnibus bill.

It cost either way. Whether the hospital gets reimbursed on the back end and raises their prices or insurance covers it on the front and raises premiums. A heart transplant would cost the same no matter if the person himself, insurance or the hospital paid and in many cases medical procedures are less when insurance isn't involved.

Insurance policy
How an industry shifted from protecting patients to seeking profit
How health insurance changed from protecting patients to seeking profit

It still cost with or without profit.

 

[playtime]

Do you know anyone who does not want healthcare?

I know people that get cut premiums however the deductible is to high for them to use it unless it is life or death.

Beats not having it. They get yearly checkups and other preventive care. Low cost or no cost colonoscopies, breast exams,
flu shots and other vaccinations....that is all required now.

And when it IS life or death....it prevents bankruptcy.

To some it beats not having it, to other the cost is something they can't afford. The only other thing on the list is vaccinations, I don't need them at my age.

you developed an immunity to the flu? every year? with every strain?

wow................. you rock!

I won’t do flu shots, my choice, just like having or not having healthcare is my choice.

uh-huh. don't know how old you are - but sure enough, you aren't getting any younger but the older you get - the higher the risk. is it yer choice to have auto insurance too?

 

[MeBelle]

Didn't we have free vaccines before ACA?

Yes!

And we were vaccinated in school

 

[The Irish Ram]

World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems

You are ill informed.
The World Health Organization is a U.N. "development" group. And you bet the U.N. wants the government to take over the healthcare economy. It is a win for them at the populace expense, physically, and monetarily. It has worked no better for the countries that have imposed it, as it did the U.N. Muslim diaspora quotas.
We don't have to wonder if universal health care is a good thing. We can heed the warnings of those who have been there, tried that, and want their old healthcare back...

The U.N. is not our friend. The WHO is all mouth. U.N. mouth. And the mouths of the ignorant...

 

[Esmeralda]

the premiums have either gone down YOY or have remained flat.

BULL SHIT!

COSTS TO THE GOVERNMENT HAVE DOUBLED...

Who the fuck do you think pays those costs?

It would be easy to pay for universal health care if the wealthy paid their fair share of taxes. Duh.

Define "fair share"

Half the country pays zero.

Yeah. The wealthiest pay zero. The wealthiest 1 percent of American households own 40 percent of the country's wealth. They don't pay taxes on a fair scale with the average working or middle class person because they get a shitload of tax deductions. Why are they rich? They make their fortunes off the backs of the average Joe. We make them rich and then we pay the most per income in taxes. Why do you people defend the ultra wealthy? Why does anyone need any more money than 1 or 2 billion $?

No they are rich because they are good with money. It doesn’t make them evil. Why? Because they earn it and they created 1000s of jobs. Don’t vilify the wealthy. That’s a communist action.

I didn't say they were evil. However, being 'good with money' is not the only reason they are rich. Many are ruthless. Many are dishonest cheaters. I'm not vilifying all wealthy people, but if you think they are just nice, ordinary people who are 'good with money,' you are delusional. In fact, you seem to think simplistically and use sweeping generalizations. I am not vilifying them but I am not exalting them either. No one needs more than a billion dollars. No one. The fact that 1 percent of the households in the US own 40 percent of the wealth in the country should disturb you. It really should.

 

[playtime]

I see plenty of folk who do not want others to have healthcare.

I hope all who want healthcare get healthcare. I pay a $600 plus a month premium, have an $1800 deductible, $20 co-pay, and 80/20 after that.

It's a terrible deal for the consumer and if a person is forced to buy it and doesn't want it, I am good with their choice, none of my business. Now, if you think that is not wanting someone to have healthcare, I can't stop your stupidity.

it is your business because the cost of those that aren't covered gets recouped thru your premiums. you think those indigent are taken care of because hospitals do it outa the goodness of their hearts? & if you are going thru the ACA, any jump in premiums is because of the instability of the guarantee that bighealthcare is supposta get for their high risk corridors going back to 2015 & marco rubio's poison pill he put in the omnibus bill.

It cost either way. Whether the hospital gets reimbursed on the back end and raises their prices or insurance covers it on the front and raises premiums. A heart transplant would cost the same no matter if the person himself, insurance or the hospital paid and in many cases medical procedures are less when insurance isn't involved.

Insurance policy
How an industry shifted from protecting patients to seeking profit
How health insurance changed from protecting patients to seeking profit

It still cost with or without profit.

Didn't we have free vaccines before ACA?

Yes!

And we were vaccinated in school

children yes. adults - no.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

BULL SHIT!

COSTS TO THE GOVERNMENT HAVE DOUBLED...

Who the fuck do you think pays those costs?

It would be easy to pay for universal health care if the wealthy paid their fair share of taxes. Duh.

Define "fair share"

Half the country pays zero.

Yeah. The wealthiest pay zero. The wealthiest 1 percent of American households own 40 percent of the country's wealth. They don't pay taxes on a fair scale with the average working or middle class person because they get a shitload of tax deductions. Why are they rich? They make their fortunes off the backs of the average Joe. We make them rich and then we pay the most per income in taxes. Why do you people defend the ultra wealthy? Why does anyone need any more money than 1 or 2 billion $?

No they are rich because they are good with money. It doesn’t make them evil. Why? Because they earn it and they created 1000s of jobs. Don’t vilify the wealthy. That’s a communist action.

I didn't say they were evil. However, being 'good with money' is not the only reason they are rich. Many are ruthless. Many are dishonest cheaters. I'm not vilifying all wealthy people, but if you think they are just nice, ordinary people who are 'good with money,' you are delusional. In fact, you seem to think simplistically and use sweeping generalizations. I am not vilifying them but I am not exalting them either. No one needs more than a billion dollars. No one. The fact that 1 percent of the households in the US own 40 percent of the wealth in the country should disturb you. It really should.

I work with them all the time. Every single MLB player is wealthy. Are they all evil, greedy bastards? No. Most give a lot to charity and work with kids. Why do you care what your neighbor has in terms of wealth? Worry about yourself. This penis envy is ridiculous and a Leftist disease. Bill Gates has done more for the world than Mother Theresa ever has and he is super wealthy. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Papageorgio]

I hope all who want healthcare get healthcare. I pay a $600 plus a month premium, have an $1800 deductible, $20 co-pay, and 80/20 after that.

It's a terrible deal for the consumer and if a person is forced to buy it and doesn't want it, I am good with their choice, none of my business. Now, if you think that is not wanting someone to have healthcare, I can't stop your stupidity.

it is your business because the cost of those that aren't covered gets recouped thru your premiums. you think those indigent are taken care of because hospitals do it outa the goodness of their hearts? & if you are going thru the ACA, any jump in premiums is because of the instability of the guarantee that bighealthcare is supposta get for their high risk corridors going back to 2015 & marco rubio's poison pill he put in the omnibus bill.

It cost either way. Whether the hospital gets reimbursed on the back end and raises their prices or insurance covers it on the front and raises premiums. A heart transplant would cost the same no matter if the person himself, insurance or the hospital paid and in many cases medical procedures are less when insurance isn't involved.

In many advanced nations with real healthcare, for profit health insurance is illegal.

Not sure that has anything to do with my statement. I never said otherwise.

Nothing ever connects for you, there are just all these independent dots you can't quite put together, I seen.

I don't think you understand my argument. It's all good.

 

[Papageorgio]

I know people that get cut premiums however the deductible is to high for them to use it unless it is life or death.

Beats not having it. They get yearly checkups and other preventive care. Low cost or no cost colonoscopies, breast exams,
flu shots and other vaccinations....that is all required now.

And when it IS life or death....it prevents bankruptcy.

To some it beats not having it, to other the cost is something they can't afford. The only other thing on the list is vaccinations, I don't need them at my age.

you developed an immunity to the flu? every year? with every strain?

wow................. you rock!

I won’t do flu shots, my choice, just like having or not having healthcare is my choice.

uh-huh. don't know how old you are - but sure enough, you aren't getting any younger but the older you get - the higher the risk. is it yer choice to have auto insurance too?

It's my choice to drive a car or not. If I don't want the privilege of driving, I wouldn't have auto insurance would I?

 

[Papageorgio]

I know people that get cut premiums however the deductible is to high for them to use it unless it is life or death.

Beats not having it. They get yearly checkups and other preventive care. Low cost or no cost colonoscopies, breast exams,
flu shots and other vaccinations....that is all required now.

And when it IS life or death....it prevents bankruptcy.

To some it beats not having it, to other the cost is something they can't afford. The only other thing on the list is vaccinations, I don't need them at my age.

you developed an immunity to the flu? every year? with every strain?

wow................. you rock!

I won’t do flu shots, my choice, just like having or not having healthcare is my choice.

Please bypass TB vaccination as well.

Why?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Beats not having it. They get yearly checkups and other preventive care. Low cost or no cost colonoscopies, breast exams,
flu shots and other vaccinations....that is all required now.

And when it IS life or death....it prevents bankruptcy.

To some it beats not having it, to other the cost is something they can't afford. The only other thing on the list is vaccinations, I don't need them at my age.

you developed an immunity to the flu? every year? with every strain?

wow................. you rock!

I won’t do flu shots, my choice, just like having or not having healthcare is my choice.

uh-huh. don't know how old you are - but sure enough, you aren't getting any younger but the older you get - the higher the risk. is it yer choice to have auto insurance too?

It's my choice to drive a car or not. If I don't want the privilege of driving, I wouldn't have auto insurance would I?

Wow. What a brilliant argument. I can hardly stand it.

 

[playtime]

Beats not having it. They get yearly checkups and other preventive care. Low cost or no cost colonoscopies, breast exams,
flu shots and other vaccinations....that is all required now.

And when it IS life or death....it prevents bankruptcy.

To some it beats not having it, to other the cost is something they can't afford. The only other thing on the list is vaccinations, I don't need them at my age.

you developed an immunity to the flu? every year? with every strain?

wow................. you rock!

I won’t do flu shots, my choice, just like having or not having healthcare is my choice.

uh-huh. don't know how old you are - but sure enough, you aren't getting any younger but the older you get - the higher the risk. is it yer choice to have auto insurance too?

It's my choice to drive a car or not. If I don't want the privilege of driving, I wouldn't have auto insurance would I?

it's not yer choice if someone t-bones you outa nowhere & cracks yer spine in two then when you get the multiple bills for putting you back together, you had to deplete yer bank acct to do it.

 

[Papageorgio]

To some it beats not having it, to other the cost is something they can't afford. The only other thing on the list is vaccinations, I don't need them at my age.

you developed an immunity to the flu? every year? with every strain?

wow................. you rock!

I won’t do flu shots, my choice, just like having or not having healthcare is my choice.

uh-huh. don't know how old you are - but sure enough, you aren't getting any younger but the older you get - the higher the risk. is it yer choice to have auto insurance too?

It's my choice to drive a car or not. If I don't want the privilege of driving, I wouldn't have auto insurance would I?

it's not yer choice if someone t-bones you outa nowhere & cracks yer spine in two then when you get the multiple bills for putting you back together, you had to deplete yer bank acct to do it.

I think you misunderstand. If I am choosing not to drive, then I won't get t-boned. Therefore I would not need auto insurance. My son liked in the UK for 10 plus years, commuted to work by train and bus, when he rented a are he would get auto insurance, otherwise he didn't need it. If I want the privilege to drive I would need auto insurance, otherwise it would do me no good.

With health insurance, I am a US citizen and I should not be forced to pay to have insurance because I am living in my home country.

 

[Rocko]

Troll thread

 

[jasonnfree]

I'm still waiting for the republican health care plan, remember?......Don't get sick! If you get sick then die quickly! Short and to the point and let's us know what these republican are all about.