ACA Enrollments Begin Today!

[Wyatt earp]

I hope all who want healthcare get healthcare. I pay a $600 plus a month premium, have an $1800 deductible, $20 co-pay, and 80/20 after that.

It's a terrible deal for the consumer and if a person is forced to buy it and doesn't want it, I am good with their choice, none of my business. Now, if you think that is not wanting someone to have healthcare, I can't stop your stupidity.

it is your business because the cost of those that aren't covered gets recouped thru your premiums. you think those indigent are taken care of because hospitals do it outa the goodness of their hearts? & if you are going thru the ACA, any jump in premiums is because of the instability of the guarantee that bighealthcare is supposta get for their high risk corridors going back to 2015 & marco rubio's poison pill he put in the omnibus bill.

It cost either way. Whether the hospital gets reimbursed on the back end and raises their prices or insurance covers it on the front and raises premiums. A heart transplant would cost the same no matter if the person himself, insurance or the hospital paid and in many cases medical procedures are less when insurance isn't involved.

the cost is profit driven. take the profit motive out & the cost gets shaved from the start.

The cost is DEEP POCKETS DRIVEN. As long as the Godvernment pays the Bill's, prices will increase to match the deep pockets

wait - what? the gov'ment ain't paying these greedy bastards - they are getting it from YOUR pockets. happy enlightenment!!!

Axios: Health care executive compensation - 2018

Ah, your a politician and you want the money for gold plated urinals, eh?

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[Wyatt earp]

the vast majority of the TOP 20 countries easily surpasses the US have universal healthcare.

They have surpassed nothing. People are dying waiting for a government controlled doctor to see them, regardless of the severity of the heart problem or wounds or disease. There is no free healthcare. Go to any hospital in Sweden and see if they will treat you soon and for free. The money for all this free health care comes from taxes that come right out of the citizen's pay checks. It is the opposite of free. It is mandatory and enforced.

There are no doctors in private practice. The gov. regulates them to death. It is no longer profitable to put in the grueling schooling, cost, internships, residencies, for so little in return. The countries you listed have no choice but to ration the doctors they still have. The people in those countries are sick of being taxed to the max and lack of health care and are turning back to private insurance companies, who receive preferential treatment.
They are warning us not to make the same mistake:

A recent study that examined over 5,800 Swedish patients on a wait list for heart surgery found that the long wait has consequences far worse than pain, anxiety or monetary cost. In this study, the median wait time was found to be 55 days. While on the waiting list, 77 patients died. The authors’ statistical analysis led them to conclude that the “risk of death increases significantly with waiting time.” Another study found a mean wait time of 55 days for heart surgery in Sweden and a similar rate of mortality for those on the waiting list. Finally, a study in the Swedish medical journal Lakartidningen found that reducing waiting times reduced the heart surgery mortality rate from seven percent to just under three percent.

Sweden's Single-Payer Health System Provides a Warning to Other Nations, by David Hogberg, Ph.D.

Tax the rich and the rich leave. France tried it already. The rich left. The middle class is now the soul provider for all the free shit. Learn from them.

Swedes and their children wait their turns. Some die waiting, some just get seriously worse before it's their turn. Learn from them.

Don't be stupid. Be informed.

the VERY valid links showed them thar countries ahead in the quality of healthcare surpasses the US.

'Swedes and their children wait their turns. Some die waiting, some just get seriously worse before it's their turn. Learn from them.'

are you kidding? i've seen that happen right here. if one has no insurance then dying b4 meaningful treatment is very common as their destiny.

Don't be stupid. Be informed.

& yet a vast majority would not trade UH for a profit driven market.

It's been debunked numerous times, you know why Denmark doesn't have down syndrome babys?


Because they fucking kill them all..


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[JustAGuy1]

I hope all who want healthcare get healthcare. I pay a $600 plus a month premium, have an $1800 deductible, $20 co-pay, and 80/20 after that.

It's a terrible deal for the consumer and if a person is forced to buy it and doesn't want it, I am good with their choice, none of my business. Now, if you think that is not wanting someone to have healthcare, I can't stop your stupidity.

it is your business because the cost of those that aren't covered gets recouped thru your premiums. you think those indigent are taken care of because hospitals do it outa the goodness of their hearts? & if you are going thru the ACA, any jump in premiums is because of the instability of the guarantee that bighealthcare is supposta get for their high risk corridors going back to 2015 & marco rubio's poison pill he put in the omnibus bill.

It cost either way. Whether the hospital gets reimbursed on the back end and raises their prices or insurance covers it on the front and raises premiums. A heart transplant would cost the same no matter if the person himself, insurance or the hospital paid and in many cases medical procedures are less when insurance isn't involved.

the cost is profit driven. take the profit motive out & the cost gets shaved from the start.

The cost is DEEP POCKETS DRIVEN. As long as the Godvernment pays the Bill's, prices will increase to match the deep pockets

The Godvernment is you, you pay. Less. Americans pay more than ANYONE now. So corporations can profit.

You don't have any idea as to what you are talking about.

"Americans pay more than ANYONE now. So corporations can profit"

How so?

 

[candycorn]

the premiums have either gone down YOY or have remained flat.

BULL SHIT!

COSTS TO THE GOVERNMENT HAVE DOUBLED...

Who the fuck do you think pays those costs?

Those who bought the insurance used to for the most part.—there were some subsidies. But Trump got rid of the requirement for those insured to pay for insurance….

Its socialism

 

[Esmeralda]

It would be easy to pay for universal health care if the wealthy paid their fair share of taxes. Duh.

Define "fair share"

Half the country pays zero.

Yeah. The wealthiest pay zero. The wealthiest 1 percent of American households own 40 percent of the country's wealth. They don't pay taxes on a fair scale with the average working or middle class person because they get a shitload of tax deductions. Why are they rich? They make their fortunes off the backs of the average Joe. We make them rich and then we pay the most per income in taxes. Why do you people defend the ultra wealthy? Why does anyone need any more money than 1 or 2 billion $?

No they are rich because they are good with money. It doesn’t make them evil. Why? Because they earn it and they created 1000s of jobs. Don’t vilify the wealthy. That’s a communist action.

I didn't say they were evil. However, being 'good with money' is not the only reason they are rich. Many are ruthless. Many are dishonest cheaters. I'm not vilifying all wealthy people, but if you think they are just nice, ordinary people who are 'good with money,' you are delusional. In fact, you seem to think simplistically and use sweeping generalizations. I am not vilifying them but I am not exalting them either. No one needs more than a billion dollars. No one. The fact that 1 percent of the households in the US own 40 percent of the wealth in the country should disturb you. It really should.

I work with them all the time. Every single MLB player is wealthy. Are they all evil, greedy bastards? No. Most give a lot to charity and work with kids. Why do you care what your neighbor has in terms of wealth? Worry about yourself. This penis envy is ridiculous and a Leftist disease. Bill Gates has done more for the world than Mother Theresa ever has and he is super wealthy. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You display poor reasoning skills. You make broad sweeping generalizations. First, you have a limited experience of MLB players and yet assume that your personal, anecdotal, experiences are fact for all MLB players and all wealthy people. Using anecdotal information and make broad sweeping generalizations are both logical fallacies. As well, you assume that I (because I am not a conservative?) am jealous of the wealthy. Countless people who are Democrats or liberals are wealthy. It's ludicrous and logically flawed to assume everyone who is a liberal is jealous of the wealthy; in fact, you have no idea whether or not I am myself wealthy. Duh. What a fool you display yourself to be. And BTW Bill Gates is a liberal. I know: I am from Seattle. I respect Bill Gates. And I never, never indicated that all wealthy people were bad. Absolutely said the opposite. So you can't think and you can't read. What else you got?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Define "fair share"

Half the country pays zero.

Yeah. The wealthiest pay zero. The wealthiest 1 percent of American households own 40 percent of the country's wealth. They don't pay taxes on a fair scale with the average working or middle class person because they get a shitload of tax deductions. Why are they rich? They make their fortunes off the backs of the average Joe. We make them rich and then we pay the most per income in taxes. Why do you people defend the ultra wealthy? Why does anyone need any more money than 1 or 2 billion $?

No they are rich because they are good with money. It doesn’t make them evil. Why? Because they earn it and they created 1000s of jobs. Don’t vilify the wealthy. That’s a communist action.

I didn't say they were evil. However, being 'good with money' is not the only reason they are rich. Many are ruthless. Many are dishonest cheaters. I'm not vilifying all wealthy people, but if you think they are just nice, ordinary people who are 'good with money,' you are delusional. In fact, you seem to think simplistically and use sweeping generalizations. I am not vilifying them but I am not exalting them either. No one needs more than a billion dollars. No one. The fact that 1 percent of the households in the US own 40 percent of the wealth in the country should disturb you. It really should.

I work with them all the time. Every single MLB player is wealthy. Are they all evil, greedy bastards? No. Most give a lot to charity and work with kids. Why do you care what your neighbor has in terms of wealth? Worry about yourself. This penis envy is ridiculous and a Leftist disease. Bill Gates has done more for the world than Mother Theresa ever has and he is super wealthy. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You display poor reasoning skills. You make broad sweeping generalizations. First, you have a limited experience of MLB players and yet assume that your personal, anecdotal, experiences are fact for all MLB players and all wealthy people. Using anecdotal information and make broad sweeping generalizations are both logical fallacies. As well, you assume that I (because I am not a conservative?) am jealous of the wealthy. Countless people who are Democrats or liberals are wealthy. It's ludicrous and logically flawed to assume everyone who is a liberal is jealous of the wealthy; in fact, you have no idea whether or not I am myself wealthy. Duh. What a fool you display yourself to be. And BTW Bill Gates is a liberal. I know: I am from Seattle. I respect Bill Gates. And I never, never indicated that all wealthy people were bad. Absolutely said the opposite. So you can't think and you can't read. What else you got?

You’re insane.

 

[dblack]

the premiums have either gone down YOY or have remained flat.

BULL SHIT!

COSTS TO THE GOVERNMENT HAVE DOUBLED...

Who the fuck do you think pays those costs?

Those who bought the insurance used to for the most part.—there were some subsidies. But Trump got rid of the requirement for those insured to pay for insurance….

Its socialism

What are you talking about???

 

[Esmeralda]

Yeah. The wealthiest pay zero. The wealthiest 1 percent of American households own 40 percent of the country's wealth. They don't pay taxes on a fair scale with the average working or middle class person because they get a shitload of tax deductions. Why are they rich? They make their fortunes off the backs of the average Joe. We make them rich and then we pay the most per income in taxes. Why do you people defend the ultra wealthy? Why does anyone need any more money than 1 or 2 billion $?

No they are rich because they are good with money. It doesn’t make them evil. Why? Because they earn it and they created 1000s of jobs. Don’t vilify the wealthy. That’s a communist action.

I didn't say they were evil. However, being 'good with money' is not the only reason they are rich. Many are ruthless. Many are dishonest cheaters. I'm not vilifying all wealthy people, but if you think they are just nice, ordinary people who are 'good with money,' you are delusional. In fact, you seem to think simplistically and use sweeping generalizations. I am not vilifying them but I am not exalting them either. No one needs more than a billion dollars. No one. The fact that 1 percent of the households in the US own 40 percent of the wealth in the country should disturb you. It really should.

I work with them all the time. Every single MLB player is wealthy. Are they all evil, greedy bastards? No. Most give a lot to charity and work with kids. Why do you care what your neighbor has in terms of wealth? Worry about yourself. This penis envy is ridiculous and a Leftist disease. Bill Gates has done more for the world than Mother Theresa ever has and he is super wealthy. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You display poor reasoning skills. You make broad sweeping generalizations. First, you have a limited experience of MLB players and yet assume that your personal, anecdotal, experiences are fact for all MLB players and all wealthy people. Using anecdotal information and make broad sweeping generalizations are both logical fallacies. As well, you assume that I (because I am not a conservative?) am jealous of the wealthy. Countless people who are Democrats or liberals are wealthy. It's ludicrous and logically flawed to assume everyone who is a liberal is jealous of the wealthy; in fact, you have no idea whether or not I am myself wealthy. Duh. What a fool you display yourself to be. And BTW Bill Gates is a liberal. I know: I am from Seattle. I respect Bill Gates. And I never, never indicated that all wealthy people were bad. Absolutely said the opposite. So you can't think and you can't read. What else you got?

You’re insane.

Thank you for reinforcing my description of your reasoning powers---which are essentially nil. LOL

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No they are rich because they are good with money. It doesn’t make them evil. Why? Because they earn it and they created 1000s of jobs. Don’t vilify the wealthy. That’s a communist action.

I didn't say they were evil. However, being 'good with money' is not the only reason they are rich. Many are ruthless. Many are dishonest cheaters. I'm not vilifying all wealthy people, but if you think they are just nice, ordinary people who are 'good with money,' you are delusional. In fact, you seem to think simplistically and use sweeping generalizations. I am not vilifying them but I am not exalting them either. No one needs more than a billion dollars. No one. The fact that 1 percent of the households in the US own 40 percent of the wealth in the country should disturb you. It really should.

I work with them all the time. Every single MLB player is wealthy. Are they all evil, greedy bastards? No. Most give a lot to charity and work with kids. Why do you care what your neighbor has in terms of wealth? Worry about yourself. This penis envy is ridiculous and a Leftist disease. Bill Gates has done more for the world than Mother Theresa ever has and he is super wealthy. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You display poor reasoning skills. You make broad sweeping generalizations. First, you have a limited experience of MLB players and yet assume that your personal, anecdotal, experiences are fact for all MLB players and all wealthy people. Using anecdotal information and make broad sweeping generalizations are both logical fallacies. As well, you assume that I (because I am not a conservative?) am jealous of the wealthy. Countless people who are Democrats or liberals are wealthy. It's ludicrous and logically flawed to assume everyone who is a liberal is jealous of the wealthy; in fact, you have no idea whether or not I am myself wealthy. Duh. What a fool you display yourself to be. And BTW Bill Gates is a liberal. I know: I am from Seattle. I respect Bill Gates. And I never, never indicated that all wealthy people were bad. Absolutely said the opposite. So you can't think and you can't read. What else you got?

You’re insane.

Thank you for reinforcing my description of your reasoning powers---which are essentially nil. LOL

Keep talking about yourself like that. So what makes one evil? When they make their first million? Bill Gates is a Liberal. Bill Gates is not a Leftist. There is a major difference. I am a Liberal too. I am not a Leftist. Hence you're insane.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

 

[OnePercenter]

the premiums have either gone down YOY or have remained flat.

BULL SHIT!

COSTS TO THE GOVERNMENT HAVE DOUBLED...

Who the fuck do you think pays those costs?

"Health insurers have benefited from more than 20 million paying customers thanks to government subsidies available for Americans to buy individual coverage under the Affordable Care Act and the ACA’s Medicaid expansion. And lately, the Trump administration has loosened rules to allow health insurance companies to offer more supplement health benefits in the Medicare Advantage plans they sell."

The answer to your question is tRump!

As Sanders And Warren Attack, Health Insurer Profits Soar

 

[dblack]

"Health insurers have benefited from more than 20 million paying customers thanks to government subsidies available for Americans to buy individual coverage under the Affordable Care Act and the ACA’s Medicaid expansion.

You betcha. That's the way that shit always works out. Insurance industry lobbyists wrote ACA - of course it benefits insurers.

And lately, the Trump administration has loosened rules to allow health insurance companies to offer more supplement health benefits in the Medicare Advantage plans they sell."

Yep. A tale as old as time. Democrats expand government power and Republicans show them why it's a bad idea.

 

[Esmeralda]

I didn't say they were evil. However, being 'good with money' is not the only reason they are rich. Many are ruthless. Many are dishonest cheaters. I'm not vilifying all wealthy people, but if you think they are just nice, ordinary people who are 'good with money,' you are delusional. In fact, you seem to think simplistically and use sweeping generalizations. I am not vilifying them but I am not exalting them either. No one needs more than a billion dollars. No one. The fact that 1 percent of the households in the US own 40 percent of the wealth in the country should disturb you. It really should.

I work with them all the time. Every single MLB player is wealthy. Are they all evil, greedy bastards? No. Most give a lot to charity and work with kids. Why do you care what your neighbor has in terms of wealth? Worry about yourself. This penis envy is ridiculous and a Leftist disease. Bill Gates has done more for the world than Mother Theresa ever has and he is super wealthy. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You display poor reasoning skills. You make broad sweeping generalizations. First, you have a limited experience of MLB players and yet assume that your personal, anecdotal, experiences are fact for all MLB players and all wealthy people. Using anecdotal information and make broad sweeping generalizations are both logical fallacies. As well, you assume that I (because I am not a conservative?) am jealous of the wealthy. Countless people who are Democrats or liberals are wealthy. It's ludicrous and logically flawed to assume everyone who is a liberal is jealous of the wealthy; in fact, you have no idea whether or not I am myself wealthy. Duh. What a fool you display yourself to be. And BTW Bill Gates is a liberal. I know: I am from Seattle. I respect Bill Gates. And I never, never indicated that all wealthy people were bad. Absolutely said the opposite. So you can't think and you can't read. What else you got?

You’re insane.

Thank you for reinforcing my description of your reasoning powers---which are essentially nil. LOL

Keep talking about yourself like that. So what makes one evil? When they make their first million? Bill Gates is a Liberal. Bill Gates is not a Leftist. There is a major difference. I am a Liberal too. I am not a Leftist. Hence you're insane.

Bill Gates is a liberal. I don't know what definitions you make up in your head about the difference between a liberal and a leftist. Some shit you probably heard from someone like Limbaugh spout. And I never said anyone was evil. Certainly never said all rich people were. I said something quite different, but you are too stupid to read what someone has written. What a fool you are. Real idiot.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I work with them all the time. Every single MLB player is wealthy. Are they all evil, greedy bastards? No. Most give a lot to charity and work with kids. Why do you care what your neighbor has in terms of wealth? Worry about yourself. This penis envy is ridiculous and a Leftist disease. Bill Gates has done more for the world than Mother Theresa ever has and he is super wealthy. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You display poor reasoning skills. You make broad sweeping generalizations. First, you have a limited experience of MLB players and yet assume that your personal, anecdotal, experiences are fact for all MLB players and all wealthy people. Using anecdotal information and make broad sweeping generalizations are both logical fallacies. As well, you assume that I (because I am not a conservative?) am jealous of the wealthy. Countless people who are Democrats or liberals are wealthy. It's ludicrous and logically flawed to assume everyone who is a liberal is jealous of the wealthy; in fact, you have no idea whether or not I am myself wealthy. Duh. What a fool you display yourself to be. And BTW Bill Gates is a liberal. I know: I am from Seattle. I respect Bill Gates. And I never, never indicated that all wealthy people were bad. Absolutely said the opposite. So you can't think and you can't read. What else you got?

You’re insane.

Thank you for reinforcing my description of your reasoning powers---which are essentially nil. LOL

Keep talking about yourself like that. So what makes one evil? When they make their first million? Bill Gates is a Liberal. Bill Gates is not a Leftist. There is a major difference. I am a Liberal too. I am not a Leftist. Hence you're insane.

Bill Gates is a liberal. I don't know what definitions you make up in your head about the difference between a liberal and a leftist. Some shit you probably heard from someone like Limbaugh spout. And I never said anyone was evil. Certainly never said all rich people were. I said something quite different, but you are too stupid to read what someone has written. What a fool you are. Real idiot.

Liberal - I believe in women's rights, I don't care who marries whom.

Leftist - I believe in women's rights except for Islam where I don't care what they do. I don't care who marries whom but if others do care I will vilify them.

I can give you more examples if you like. You certainly vilified the wealthy. You're also a weird keyboard warrior.