CDZ Abortion Perspective

[alang1216]

Because they do not fund abortions.

Does the taxpayer provide funds to Planned Parenthood?

Does Planned Parenthood perform or fund abortions?

If the answer is yes, and it is, then the taxpayer funds abortions.

QED

If taxpayers don't provide funds to PP the only thing PP will be able to pay for are abortions since those are independently funded. Is that what you want, less health care and less pregnancy prevention and more abortions?

 

[Markle]

If taxpayers don't provide funds to PP the only thing PP will be able to pay for are abortions since those are independently funded. Is that what you want, less health care and less pregnancy prevention and more abortions?

 

[Kilroy2]

The laws that allows abortion is sexist. The preborn baby is as much a part of the man as it is the woman. The woman is no more than a carrier of the preborn baby that the present law allows her to kill regardless of the man's wishes. If you place a fertilized egg in a woman and she carries it to full term and allows the baby to continue to live it will have no genetic comparison to the carrier therefore she is just a carrier.

an estimate of about 21 million children are born out of wedlock in the world

The latest US number

• There are currently 13.6 million custodial single parents living in the U.S.
• About half of them (50.2%) have some type of legal or informal child support agreement in place
• 87.9% of those child support agreements are formal agreements, established in court or through a Title IV-D agency

12.1% are informal child support agreements established between the two parents

Only 12 percent of men are stepping up to the plate without being forced too

$33.7 billion dollars in child support was owed during the year 2015

Granted some men step up to the plate but a lot of then don't

So you feel all men should be punished because there are some men that do not care of their responsibilities?

No, the point was to shed light on child support where SOME men do not care to support their children

So a woman who is pregnant has a decision to make and the man who got her pregnant is part of the equation

 

[Kilroy2]

Well someone made it political

Roe v. Wade The court ruled that a state law that banned abortions (except to save the life of the mother) was unconstitutional

what should be an individuals choice is now a political choice

If the other people stayed out of it then perhaps the government would have

Roe didn't make it political, the State laws that banned abortions made it political. Roe made it Federal, like Civil Rights became national to stop States from discrimination.

well I guess trump dealt with that issues, when children dies on his watch while in detention centers

In what way does this deal with or address the topic at hand?

*****SMILE*****

because it applies to the state or others having a say in an individuals right to have an abortion or have a child

If those who choice to decide an individuals rights in abortion, do they not also have a responsibility to ensure that the child lives a good life and does not live a life of suffering and having a horrible death.

The incident that I know of where a 'illegal foreign national' had a child die at the border the child was too far gone for anything to be done. I don't see where this has anything to do with the government or anyone else except the parent/caretakers lack of parental/custodial responsibility for the child. If that's the case you're speaking of then place the blame on the parent/caretaker.

*****SMILE*****

well you are saying that he or she was to far gone to be saved

yet I say is that there was no effort to save him or her

still seven children are known to have died in immigration custody since last year, after almost a decade in which no child reportedly died while in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection

coincidence or nobody cares

In December, medical examiners concluded that 7-year-old Jakelin Caal Maquin, who also died in CBP custody, succumbed to "a rapidly progressive infection" that shut down her vital organs. CBP sent Jakelin on a 90-mile bus ride to another location after she was taken into custody, even though her father had told officials she was vomiting and feeling ill before they left

so were he or she to far gone because people just ignored warning until it was to late

apples and oranges are fruits

they do both grown on trees

there both can be eaten

they both have seeds

yes there are differences so it becomes a matter of what do you focus on

the similarities or the differences

 

[sartre play]

Why is that funny, there is nothing funny about unwanted unloved uncared for children.

 

[sartre play]

And just paying child support money only covers half of the problem, wonder what the numbers are of men who pay but stay away.

 

[jwoodie]

They do. Through the ballot box.

But not on the underlying issue?

 

[Votto]

The controversy rages. Both sides at each others throats over an issue that neither will give ground on. One side says that it's murder while the other side says that others no right to tell them what to do with their body. In perspective both are have a point for mankind has many laws both religious and secular. Which in turn can lead to many questions on the subject. One such question that I've never seen asked is the following...


If these pro-abortion people don't want others telling them 'what to do with their body' what gives them the right to demand government funding to support an institution/agency (Planned Parenthood) to tell them what to do with their bodies?

*****SMILE*****





NOTE: This is the Clean Debate Zone and it would be greatly appreciated if mod involvement for flaming and other offences not be required for this thread.

Although vehemently against abortion on demand, these are the reasons why it is here to stay:

1. The abortion industry is a billion dollar industry in the US. As a lobby, they are hard to outspend. The love of money truly is the root of all evil.

2. Most women who have abortions do so because of financial concerns even though every time someone tries to argue that it should be legal uses examples of incest or some such nonsense.

3. The powers that be are focused on population control, which is why the US government funds or supports birth control and abortion all around the globe. Such concerns as global warming and the depletion of natural resources is why they view the snuffing out of human life as a good thing.

4. Genocide is human nature. Just do a little history search and you will see genocide conducted all over the globe at pretty much any time in history. We see to have a thirst for killing and usually it is over power and money issues, as is abortion.

 

[jwoodie]

And just paying child support money only covers half of the problem, wonder what the numbers are of men who pay but stay away.

Why all the deflection? Why not address the fact that the federal government has prohibited the States from determining their own laws regarding abortion? Why should a small group of people be able to impose their political views on majorities who do not share those views? Why should Kansas be forced to adopt the same views as New York?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

The controversy rages. Both sides at each others throats over an issue that neither will give ground on. One side says that it's murder while the other side says that others no right to tell them what to do with their body. In perspective both are have a point for mankind has many laws both religious and secular. Which in turn can lead to many questions on the subject. One such question that I've never seen asked is the following...


If these pro-abortion people don't want others telling them 'what to do with their body' what gives them the right to demand government funding to support an institution/agency (Planned Parenthood) to tell them what to do with their bodies?

*****SMILE*****





NOTE: This is the Clean Debate Zone and it would be greatly appreciated if mod involvement for flaming and other offences not be required for this thread.

Although vehemently against abortion on demand, these are the reasons why it is here to stay:

1. The abortion industry is a billion dollar industry in the US. As a lobby, they are hard to outspend. The love of money truly is the root of all evil.

2. Most women who have abortions do so because of financial concerns even though every time someone tries to argue that it should be legal uses examples of incest or some such nonsense.

3. The powers that be are focused on population control, which is why the US government funds or supports birth control and abortion all around the globe. Such concerns as global warming and the depletion of natural resources is why they view the snuffing out of human life as a good thing.

4. Genocide is human nature. Just do a little history search and you will see genocide conducted all over the globe at pretty much any time in history. We see to have a thirst for killing and usually it is over power and money issues, as is abortion.

What's the deal with this picture?

What message does it try to convey?

 

[Votto]

The controversy rages. Both sides at each others throats over an issue that neither will give ground on. One side says that it's murder while the other side says that others no right to tell them what to do with their body. In perspective both are have a point for mankind has many laws both religious and secular. Which in turn can lead to many questions on the subject. One such question that I've never seen asked is the following...


If these pro-abortion people don't want others telling them 'what to do with their body' what gives them the right to demand government funding to support an institution/agency (Planned Parenthood) to tell them what to do with their bodies?

*****SMILE*****





NOTE: This is the Clean Debate Zone and it would be greatly appreciated if mod involvement for flaming and other offences not be required for this thread.

Although vehemently against abortion on demand, these are the reasons why it is here to stay:

1. The abortion industry is a billion dollar industry in the US. As a lobby, they are hard to outspend. The love of money truly is the root of all evil.

2. Most women who have abortions do so because of financial concerns even though every time someone tries to argue that it should be legal uses examples of incest or some such nonsense.

3. The powers that be are focused on population control, which is why the US government funds or supports birth control and abortion all around the globe. Such concerns as global warming and the depletion of natural resources is why they view the snuffing out of human life as a good thing.

4. Genocide is human nature. Just do a little history search and you will see genocide conducted all over the globe at pretty much any time in history. We see to have a thirst for killing and usually it is over power and money issues, as is abortion.

What's the deal with this picture?

What message does it try to convey?

Yea, I can't imagine the guilt they feel the rest of their lives.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Yea, I can't imagine the guilt they feel the rest of their lives.

I don't know what to make of your post because I really do not understand what is going on.

 

[Syriusly]

The controversy rages. Both sides at each others throats over an issue that neither will give ground on. One side says that it's murder while the other side says that others no right to tell them what to do with their body. In perspective both are have a point for mankind has many laws both religious and secular. Which in turn can lead to many questions on the subject. One such question that I've never seen asked is the following...


If these pro-abortion people don't want others telling them 'what to do with their body' what gives them the right to demand government funding to support an institution/agency (Planned Parenthood) to tell them what to do with their bodies?

*****SMILE*****





NOTE: This is the Clean Debate Zone and it would be greatly appreciated if mod involvement for flaming and other offences not be required for this thread.

If these pro-abortion people don't want others telling them 'what to do with their body' what gives them the right to demand government funding to support an institution/agency (Planned Parenthood) to tell them what to do with their bodies?

First of all- we all have the 'right' to demand whatever we would like to demand- that doesn't mean anyone has the right to get what they demand.
Secondly- Planned Parenthood doesn't tell anyone what they must do with their bodies- PP provides options to women, mostly birth control and health screenings, and in some cases abortion.
Finally- PP gets no government funding for abortions- but does get government support for providing health services and contraceptives to women.

I have yet to figure out why the anti-abortion people would not want women to have access to low cost contraceptives, unless of course the anti-abortionist agenda is not really about protecting 'unborn life' but about taking control away from women.

After all- Conservatives actively fought against women having access to contraceptives for decades- even making information about contraceptives was deemed 'obscene'

 

[Syriusly]

And yet the those that say they don't want others to tell them what to do with their bodies are their biggest supporters.

Why demand that the government fund an agency to tell them what to do with their body if they don't want others to tell them what do do with their bodies?

A hypocritical don't you think?

Since the agency doesn't tell women what to do with their body no.

Not sure why you equate a bunch of old guys passing laws telling a woman what she can and cannot do with her body, with an agency that provides services to allow a woman to make her own choice on what to do with her body.

 

[Syriusly]

Well someone made it political

Roe v. Wade The court ruled that a state law that banned abortions (except to save the life of the mother) was unconstitutional

what should be an individuals choice is now a political choice

If the other people stayed out of it then perhaps the government would have

Hmmm Kilroy- the government had already intruded by passing laws against abortion.

The courts intervened and said it was a woman's choice.

 

[Syriusly]

The laws that allows abortion is sexist. The preborn baby is as much a part of the man as it is the woman. The woman is no more than a carrier of the preborn baby that the present law allows her to kill regardless of the man's wishes. If you place a fertilized egg in a woman and she carries it to full term and allows the baby to continue to live it will have no genetic comparison to the carrier therefore she is just a carrier.

So you are saying a pregnant woman is just a slave and has no choice or control of her body.

 

[Syriusly]

The laws that allows abortion is sexist. The preborn baby is as much a part of the man as it is the woman. The woman is no more than a carrier of the preborn baby that the present law allows her to kill regardless of the man's wishes. If you place a fertilized egg in a woman and she carries it to full term and allows the baby to continue to live it will have no genetic comparison to the carrier therefore she is just a carrier.

The man takes none of the risks of pregnancy. His life is never in danger.

But I have an idea. If it is as much a part of the man as the woman, let him take on the pregnancy and allow him to have it implanted. It might be uncomfortable and a bit risky, but what pregnancy isn't?

What danger this is not 1920? The man can not carry a baby only pay for it if the woman chooses to allow the baby to live. The woman can not get pregnant without the sperm of a man which is something missed by many when they took biology in school.

Women die every year in the U.S. from childbirth.
The CDC reported an increase in the maternal mortality ratio in the United States from 18.8 deaths per 100,000 births to 23.8 deaths per 100,000 births between 2000 and 2014, a 26.6% increase;[4] It is estimated that 20-50% of these deaths are due to preventable causes, such as: hemorrhage, severe high blood pressure, and infection.[5]

And many women suffer life long injury from being pregnant and giving birth. Pretty sure if you had kids you would know this, as it is discussed a great deal in birthing classes designed to reduce mortality and injury.

 

[Syriusly]

How do you propose to make abortions unnecessary?

Isn't there something wrong with a position that only cares about having an abortion because it's their body and demanding money so they can have an abortion?

*****SMILE*****

Because that's not the way it is. I don't see many demanding money, but there is no question lack of funding affects poor women, disproportionately.

I know of no woman who wants an abortion simply because it's their body.

Why should the government fund any agency dealing with pregnancy?

*****SMILE*****A[/MEDIA]

Why should the government fund any agency dealing with health?

Seriously though- the U.S. has a fairly high maternal mortality rate compared to the rest of the world- a lot of that has to do with the lack of quality pre-natal health care.

Not sure how anyone can claim to be 'pro-life' and also against government funding to save women's lives.

 

[Syriusly]

Taxpayers should take care of unwanted kids...

In that case, taxpayers (those actually paying) should have the right to declare the terms. Fair?

I would like to declare the terms in which I- a taxpayer- pay for military spending.

 

[Syriusly]

The controversy rages. Both sides at each others throats over an issue that neither will give ground on. One side says that it's murder while the other side says that others no right to tell them what to do with their body. In perspective both are have a point for mankind has many laws both religious and secular. Which in turn can lead to many questions on the subject. One such question that I've never seen asked is the following...


If these pro-abortion people don't want others telling them 'what to do with their body' what gives them the right to demand government funding to support an institution/agency (Planned Parenthood) to tell them what to do with their bodies?

*****SMILE*****





NOTE: This is the Clean Debate Zone and it would be greatly appreciated if mod involvement for flaming and other offences not be required for this thread.

Although vehemently against abortion on demand, these are the reasons why it is here to stay:

1. The abortion industry is a billion dollar industry in the US. As a lobby, they are hard to outspend. The love of money truly is the root of all evil.

Two problems with this argument. First as a lobby- plenty of 'industries' outspend 'the abortion industry'. Secondly, this implies that women are choosing abortions because of some kind of lobbying effort by abortion providers. You might have a point if this was an industry with actual commercial advertising promoting the product- but women choose abortion for their own reasons- at the most- lobbying allows for their to be safe and legal abortion service within a community- as opposed to unsafe and illegal.


2. Most women who have abortions do so because of financial concerns even though every time someone tries to argue that it should be legal uses examples of incest or some such nonsense.

Most women do tend to have abortions for financial concerns. Addressing those financial concerns would lower the demand for abortion.

And addressing your other point- I do tend to point out that the anti-abortion side now openly wants to prevent the victims of rape and incest from any form of birth control, even the morning after pill- because- even though this represents a very small portion of the women who chose abortions- their stories are very real- and the anti-abortion activists do want to tell them that they have to give birth to their rapist child- i.e. what you call 'nonsense'

And speaking of nonsense- the anti-abortion side currently wants to mostly talk about abortion late third trimester abortions- even though those type of abortions are extremely rare- and in most of those cases the women having the abortions really don't want to, but are facing some sort of health tragedy.

3. The powers that be are focused on population control, which is why the US government funds or supports birth control and abortion all around the globe. Such concerns as global warming and the depletion of natural resources is why they view the snuffing out of human life as a good thing.

The U.S. government does fund birth control around the world- because one of the leading causes of poverty for women around the world is having too many children. The U.S. does not fund any abortion services outside the United States. Not sure why you equate birth control with snuffing out human life. And do you think that contraception is a bad thing? I don't. One of the best ways to improve the health of women in any country is to allow them to control their own fertility so that they can limit the number of children to the number that their family can afford.

4. Genocide is human nature. Just do a little history search and you will see genocide conducted all over the globe at pretty much any time in history. We see to have a thirst for killing and usually it is over power and money issues, as is abortion.

No one now is forcing any women in the U.S. to have abortions. Women choosing abortions is not 'genocide'- it is women making the choices that governments and men have claimed for years that they should be making for women, and that women shouldn't be trusted to make those decisions themselves.