Abbas Tightens Grip

[SAYIT]

On one hand I see this move as much ado about nothing.

Power in the territories transitions by way of force as much as by law.

On the other hand a strong, independent supreme court could not only stabilize their society, it is precisely the kind of official structure that for decades has been missing from their strongman type regimes.

It's power, authority and effectiveness will be a barometer of the Pal's readiness to seek and accept peaceful coexistence among themselves and the region.

With new decree, Palestinian leader tightens grip

GAZA/RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has quietly established a constitutional court that analysts say concentrates more power in his hands and may allow him to sideline the Islamist group Hamas in the event of a succession struggle.

 

[Challenger]

Since Abbas isn't legally the President, it casts doubt on the legallity of the court itself.

 

[Boston1]

Since Abbas isn't legally the President, it casts doubt on the legallity of the court itself.

Actually since Abbas doesn't appear legitimate and since his influence on the court removes any legitimacy it may have had and since there is no territory that Abbas seems to have any actual authority or control over and since the only borders to any Arab Muslim territory are the ones Israel sets it seems only reasonable to conclude that there is no government and there is no country other than Israel, Jordan and Gaza within the mandate area.

Oh hey, look at that, a three state solution.

Abbas can take a hike and the Arab Muslims in Israel can be vetted to segregate combatants and their decedents from non combatants, throw the bums out, end this refugee nonsense, throw out the UNRWA and start the process of getting along.

 

[Phoenall]

Since Abbas isn't legally the President, it casts doubt on the legallity of the court itself.

Proving yet again that rat boy and his cronies are not interested in a peaceful solution they just want to see the Jews attacked and wiped out to pave the way for their new world order

 

[Phoenall]

Since Abbas isn't legally the President, it casts doubt on the legallity of the court itself.

Actually since Abbas doesn't appear legitimate and since his influence on the court removes any legitimacy it may have had and since there is no territory that Abbas seems to have any actual authority or control over and since the only borders to any Arab Muslim territory are the ones Israel sets it seems only reasonable to conclude that there is no government and there is no country other than Israel, Jordan and Gaza within the mandate area.

Oh hey, look at that, a three state solution.

Abbas can take a hike and the Arab Muslims in Israel can be vetted to segregate combatants and their decedents from non combatants, throw the bums out, end this refugee nonsense, throw out the UNRWA and start the process of getting along.

And very soon it will be a 4 state, 5 state or even a 1000 state solution as every tin pot dictator sets himself up as king of the midden

 

[Challenger]

Since Abbas isn't legally the President, it casts doubt on the legallity of the court itself.

Actually since Abbas doesn't appear legitimate and since his influence on the court removes any legitimacy it may have had and since there is no territory that Abbas seems to have any actual authority or control over and since the only borders to any Arab Muslim territory are the ones Israel sets it seems only reasonable to conclude that there is no government and there is no country other than Israel, Jordan and Gaza within the mandate area.

Oh hey, look at that, a three state solution.

Abbas can take a hike and the Arab Muslims in Israel can be vetted to segregate combatants and their decedents from non combatants, throw the bums out, end this refugee nonsense, throw out the UNRWA and start the process of getting along.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move the problem to your borders and the reasons the Zionists didn't allow peaceful Palestinians to remain within their newly founded paradise were:
1) If they stayed there could never be a majority Jewish state.
2) They might pose a "5th column" security risk any time the Zionist paradise was under threat.

 

[Phoenall]

Since Abbas isn't legally the President, it casts doubt on the legallity of the court itself.

Actually since Abbas doesn't appear legitimate and since his influence on the court removes any legitimacy it may have had and since there is no territory that Abbas seems to have any actual authority or control over and since the only borders to any Arab Muslim territory are the ones Israel sets it seems only reasonable to conclude that there is no government and there is no country other than Israel, Jordan and Gaza within the mandate area.

Oh hey, look at that, a three state solution.

Abbas can take a hike and the Arab Muslims in Israel can be vetted to segregate combatants and their decedents from non combatants, throw the bums out, end this refugee nonsense, throw out the UNRWA and start the process of getting along.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move the problem to your borders and the reasons the Zionists didn't allow peaceful Palestinians to remain within their newly founded paradise were:
1) If they stayed there could never be a majority Jewish state.
2) They might pose a "5th column" security risk any time the Zionist paradise was under threat.

Is that why the "Zionists" have allowed so many tens of thousands of Palestinian refugees to return to Israel then.

As for fifth columnists that is a valid reason for evicting them from Israel, didn't the west do this during every war it was involved in from 1914 ?

 

[Boston1]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

 

[Challenger]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

 

[Phoenall]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

Only problem is it was the arab muslims that tried that in 1948 and 1967 and failed catastrophically in the process

 

[Hollie]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

 

[Boston1]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

Well you are certainly not very well informed.

The Israeli's have never employed the Geneva Conventions, they claim they don't apply for some reason. I'm not quite sure what thats all about other than they only signed with objections which might be part of the deal.

The Geneva Conventions idea is popular tho as it would afford the Israeli's all the legal framework they need to expel any Arab Muslim hostiles and their descendants. It also would require them to allow the remaining Arab Muslims a fuller and better lifestyle which I personally think would be an improvement. Once a condition of peace as defined by the Conventions is achieved that is.

Problem solved

 

[Challenger]

Well you are certainly not very well informed.

The Israeli's have never employed the Geneva Conventions, they claim they don't apply for some reason.

I never said they had, read my post again. Curious though, "they claim they don't apply for some reason" any idea what that reason is?

 

[Challenger]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

Any of those attacks involve Palestinians or Israelis as perpetrators? If not, your comments are irrelevant in the Israel-Palestine forum.

 

[Hollie]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

Any of those attacks involve Palestinians or Israelis as perpetrators? If not, your comments are irrelevant in the Israel-Palestine forum.

I was certain you would shuffle off when your nonsense suggesting that appeasing the Islamist hordes was shown to be disastrous for the appease'ee.

Israel exists in the Islamist Middle East because from 1948 forward they have learned that strength of arms, better war fighting tactics, better equipment and an acknowledgement that you must fight to live is the one strategy that the Islamic hordes understand. Other ethnic and religious minorities have not learned that lesson and thus have all but disappeared in the face of Islamic fascism.

When the next group of Europeans are slaughtered in a gee-had attack, blame yourself for not being appease'nik enough.

 

[Challenger]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

Any of those attacks involve Palestinians or Israelis as perpetrators? If not, your comments are irrelevant in the Israel-Palestine forum.

I was certain you would shuffle off when your nonsense suggesting that appeasing the Islamist hordes was shown to be disastrous for the appease'ee.

Israel exists in the Islamist Middle East because from 1948 forward they have learned that strength of arms, better war fighting tactics, better equipment and an acknowledgement that you must fight to live is the one strategy that the Islamic hordes understand. Other ethnic and religious minorities have not learned that lesson and thus have all but disappeared in the face of Islamic fascism.

When the next group of Europeans are slaughtered in a gee-had attack, blame yourself for not being appease'nik enough.

The Islamist Middle East exists because of Israel and continuing Western meddling. Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon may have had repressive regimes, but they were stable and prosperous including their ethnic and religious minorities. Western meddling has scewed that up into one massive FUBAR power vacuum into which the whack jobs have risen to centre stage. When the next group of Europeans are slaughterd in an Islamist attack, I'll blame American foreign policy since 1948. But my conscience will be clear as I don't collaborate with the Islamists like you do.

 

[Boston1]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

Any of those attacks involve Palestinians or Israelis as perpetrators? If not, your comments are irrelevant in the Israel-Palestine forum.

I was certain you would shuffle off when your nonsense suggesting that appeasing the Islamist hordes was shown to be disastrous for the appease'ee.

Israel exists in the Islamist Middle East because from 1948 forward they have learned that strength of arms, better war fighting tactics, better equipment and an acknowledgement that you must fight to live is the one strategy that the Islamic hordes understand. Other ethnic and religious minorities have not learned that lesson and thus have all but disappeared in the face of Islamic fascism.

When the next group of Europeans are slaughtered in a gee-had attack, blame yourself for not being appease'nik enough.

The Islamist Middle East exists because of Israel and continuing Western meddling. Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon may have had repressive regimes, but they were stable and prosperous including their ethnic and religious minorities. Western meddling has scewed that up into one massive FUBAR power vacuum into which the whack jobs have risen to centre stage. When the next group of Europeans are slaughterd in an Islamist attack, I'll blame American foreign policy since 1948. But my conscience will be clear as I don't collaborate with the Islamists like you do.

You are about as clueless as it gets.

The middle east, prosperous before western meddling ? You are daft.

The middle east is the ass end of the world, with the most primitive and barbaric culture and norms anywhere. Anyone else in the world still lopping off heads with a butter knife ? Dragging bodies through the streets ? or stoning woman for adultery and witchcraft ?

Clearly you have never studied history. Riley's Narative ?

WOW is about all I can say to that last bit of hasbara from our local ignorant.

And miles off topic I might add. Abbas can't tighten his grip as he doesn't really have a grip on whats going on. He's a dottering old man who's just taking money from the UN.

He owes 655 million in damages to the US courts and his regime is on the brink of collapse.

So explain this grip thing again ?

 

[Hollie]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

Any of those attacks involve Palestinians or Israelis as perpetrators? If not, your comments are irrelevant in the Israel-Palestine forum.

I was certain you would shuffle off when your nonsense suggesting that appeasing the Islamist hordes was shown to be disastrous for the appease'ee.

Israel exists in the Islamist Middle East because from 1948 forward they have learned that strength of arms, better war fighting tactics, better equipment and an acknowledgement that you must fight to live is the one strategy that the Islamic hordes understand. Other ethnic and religious minorities have not learned that lesson and thus have all but disappeared in the face of Islamic fascism.

When the next group of Europeans are slaughtered in a gee-had attack, blame yourself for not being appease'nik enough.

The Islamist Middle East exists because of Israel and continuing Western meddling. Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon may have had repressive regimes, but they were stable and prosperous including their ethnic and religious minorities. Western meddling has scewed that up into one massive FUBAR power vacuum into which the whack jobs have risen to centre stage. When the next group of Europeans are slaughterd in an Islamist attack, I'll blame American foreign policy since 1948. But my conscience will be clear as I don't collaborate with the Islamists like you do.

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

Any of those attacks involve Palestinians or Israelis as perpetrators? If not, your comments are irrelevant in the Israel-Palestine forum.

I was certain you would shuffle off when your nonsense suggesting that appeasing the Islamist hordes was shown to be disastrous for the appease'ee.

Israel exists in the Islamist Middle East because from 1948 forward they have learned that strength of arms, better war fighting tactics, better equipment and an acknowledgement that you must fight to live is the one strategy that the Islamic hordes understand. Other ethnic and religious minorities have not learned that lesson and thus have all but disappeared in the face of Islamic fascism.

When the next group of Europeans are slaughtered in a gee-had attack, blame yourself for not being appease'nik enough.

The Islamist Middle East exists because of Israel and continuing Western meddling. Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon may have had repressive regimes, but they were stable and prosperous including their ethnic and religious minorities. Western meddling has scewed that up into one massive FUBAR power vacuum into which the whack jobs have risen to centre stage. When the next group of Europeans are slaughterd in an Islamist attack, I'll blame American foreign policy since 1948. But my conscience will be clear as I don't collaborate with the Islamists like you do.

"The Islamist Middle East exists because of Israel and continuing Western meddling."

You're a bit befuddled.

Yours are the stereotypical "I blame the Great Satan and Israel" for the recurring social, economic and political disasters that define the Islamist middle East. You should educate yourself to the history of the area. For the past 1,400 years, the Middle East has been defined by Arab-Moslem dictators and despots who have ravaged areas to claim their own mini-caliphates only to be ravaged by the next dictator with greater ambitions. Half of the "rightly guided" caliphs were murdered by their fellow Moslems and all of them fought wars of attrition against the competing tribe.

You islamo-converts fail to realize that you are just as likely victims of the next gee-had attack as anyone else

 

[Phoenall]

Well you are certainly not very well informed.

The Israeli's have never employed the Geneva Conventions, they claim they don't apply for some reason.

I never said they had, read my post again. Curious though, "they claim they don't apply for some reason" any idea what that reason is?

Have you, as you profess to know everything

 

[Phoenall]

Abbas has no grip and Israel need only employ the Geneva Conventions to the letter in order to handle any Arab Muslim continued acts of war.

Simply kick out the UNRWA, round up the hostile Arab Muslims and throw the bums out.

They tried something like that in 1948 and again in 1967. All that happens is you move "the problem" to your borders and off goes the merry go round again. Or worse, you scatter "your enemies" across the globe, endangering your Jewish "diaspora".

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

You should email France and ask their advise regarding appeasing a virulently hateful, fascistic, Dark Ages ideology that sees weakness as an opportunity for mass murder. Here's a bit of islamo-logic for you: the recent French attacks were not directed specifically at Jews. Ask the prayer leader at your madrassah for additional details.

Be sure to cc Belgium and Germany, also. Post your email in the London subways.

Any of those attacks involve Palestinians or Israelis as perpetrators? If not, your comments are irrelevant in the Israel-Palestine forum.

Some of the attackers were believed to have originated in Palestine, does that count ?