A thought about "flippers" and "Independents"

Really? Who am I voting for this up coming election?


No.


Well... Within reason. Obviously there has to be SOME taxes.


OK.


I agree.


*shrugs* ok.


And yet your mind is closed to thought...

Exactly why would you say that?
you know nothing about me
That's an EXCELLENT POINT! So... Why did you say what you did? You know nothing about me.

what did I say about you?
I dont even know who you are

My point with this thread is simple
If you have core beliefs then who you support politically is simple
voting for BHO while at the same time supporting a smaller govt is illogical at best
not knowing the difference is not a judgement, it is confusing at best

Look I stated here-in each of us have the freedom to do as we please when it comes to this matter
If you think you ave proved some point here, I am happy for you
If you think your smarter and showed me the light, I am happy for you

but I stand by this thread
if you do not have enough core beliefs to support the Agenda of either party, then who makes your mind up for you?

is that judging you?
seems to me its a question as much as an observation

so if your one of this deep thinking and highly intelligent independents, how do you decide?
what policy/agenda will make your mind up for YOU?
will you see it on CNN?
NY times?
Washington post?
If you do not know the difference in what Romney is selling and Obama has proved, my god what will make your mind up for you?
is that judging you as a person?
no, that is a fact

just because I can make up my own mind based on my core values, what does that make me?
It had nothing to do with the knowing or judging the(that) person who cannot make there minds up on an election/agenda/candidate

Its a reality

Every Liberal I know believes that wealth should be re distributed
so does BHO
Every Lib I know feels the rich do not pay enough in taxes,
so does BHO
he has proved that
Obama believes he has the right to mandate the morning after pill
Obama believes he has the right to ignore the resp of providing a budget
Obama believes part of the wealth you earn is his, GWB said it 100 times, you send here, were going to spend it, its your money

My god what is it that your missing here?
 
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You will now witness the "OMG I just can't bring myself to vote for Romney" and the "OMG I've been a conservative all my life but I can't vote for Romney so I have to vote for Obama" threads all over every freaking message board from here to the election.

Ditto with callers to radio stations professing their conservatism out the ying yang all whilst explaining their strange conversion to liberalism because Romney's not conservative enough.

Makes your head spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist.

:lol:

The plants are here. And they won't go away till after the election.

I've been here since last july...

I've said all along, I've been a life-long republican who is disturbed the GOP has been hijacked by religious nutbags and corporate oppurtunists.

And Romney is those things on Steroids...

You guys knew a large chunk of your primary base was unhappy with Romney, and you shoved him down our throats anyway....

Are you really surprised some of us are puking it back up?

If you were truly a republican, while you might not vote for Romney, you damned sure wouldn't be supporting Obama as you've done for months.
 
Romney and Ryan will bring change of bringing back the epically failed W policies, and expand on them even more to "finish the job" of completely destroying the nation.

You would have to be mentally ill to vote (R) in this day and age.

Stamp! Ryan voted for many of the Bush policies and some of his votes were criticized by fellow republicans in the house as expanding the economy. So he is hardly the economic savior many think he is!
 
Exactly why would you say that?
you know nothing about me
That's an EXCELLENT POINT! So... Why did you say what you did? You know nothing about me.

what did I say about you?
I dont even know who you are
I'm an independent.

but I stand by this thread
if you do not have enough core beliefs to support the Agenda of either party, then who makes your mind up for you?
ROFLMAO... I make up my own mind. I don't need others to agree with me to believe I'm right.

is that judging you?
seems to me its a question as much as an observation
I explained that in my first post in the thread. I believe your observation is not only wrong, it's... Simplistic.

so if your one of this deep thinking and highly intelligent independents, how do you decide?
what policy/agenda will make your mind up for YOU?
will you see it on CNN?
NY times?
Washington post?
If you do not know the difference in what Romney is selling and Obama has proved, my god what will make your mind up for you?
is that judging you as a person?
no, that is a fact
*laughs*

just because I can make up my own mind based on my core values, what does that make me?
That in itself doesn't make you anything. Your thoughts on what a independent is however makes you an idiot. Sorry.


My god what is it that your missing here?
An intelligent bantering partner.
 
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I thought "flippers" are former managers who are flipping burgers at McDonalds in Obamas Economy.
 
Romney needs to start hitting Obama on jobs and Underemployment...........................
 
Romney and Ryan will bring change of bringing back the epically failed W policies, and expand on them even more to "finish the job" of completely destroying the nation.

You would have to be mentally ill to vote (R) in this day and age.

Wait, they are using traditional policies of low taxes, low regulation and smaller government and they are going to destroy the country? That does not compute. Libtards have said this forever, but they want to move us to Europian socialism, which IS destroying nations.

So what laws and regulations in the past are they getting rid of? I dont remember OBamacare at all in the past, from Washington to Bush, not there and the country did just fine.
 
well well
at least your honest about all of this
Cannot debate that except it has failed ever where it was tried, but China
You want to live in that world?

China is transitioning into free market capitalism. I'm not saying I agree with the premise, just that the premise exists and is, in all reality, the choices this election are to make. You cannot have freedom and equality. The two are mutually exclusive. This election is all about that decision.

I agree some
try and have 2 babies in China

And "fluffy" is an appetizer and "tiger penis" is what boosts your testosterone.

No thank you. :D
 
Joe you have the freedom not to vote for him
but do not try and convince intelligent people that voting for BHO you ever had one drop of conservative blood in you
I was a southern Democrat for the first 25 years of my life
the Zell Milllers are all gone
In fact GWB as well as Romney are nothing but blue dogs

Horseshit. What Romney and GWB are corporate tools. (Although I'll give Bush credit in that he had some compassion. Romney, not so much.) The problem with the GOP is that for a while now, it's become an instrument for multi-national corporations too loot this country, using any excuse to do so.

I didn't leave the conservative movement, it left me. Even Reagan would be considered a RINO today.

and what is a religious nut bag?
some-one who has faith in god?
chill out dude

Someone who thinks that we should make laws based on what his Imaginary Friend in the Sky wants.

If your religion tells you that homosexuality or abortion or blood transfusions are wrong, no problem.

It's when you try to make the rest of us go along with that we are going to throw down.
 
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If you were truly a republican, while you might not vote for Romney, you damned sure wouldn't be supporting Obama as you've done for months.

I think it's called "choosing the lesser of two evils".

Didn't want to support Obama, but you all nominated the Mormon.

And stopping the Mormons from gaining political power in this country cancels out all other considerations.

And if you bothered to educate yourself on what Mormons real believe and not be taken in by their stupid smiles, you'd be manning the barricades right next to me.
 
:lol:

You have acted like an idiot from the beginning. lying from the start and lying now.

You are a neo-con, which is bad enough. You hate the poor, which is even worse.

Romney is going to take your vote, break your heart, and I am going to laugh as we recreate the center of the GOP that will exclude you simple minded creeps from any power in the future.

Jake
Jake
I am so much closer to poor than richI hate no-one
and this thing of calling me a liar has went on for months, with no proof

God bless you Jake
Good bye again

So why do you keep voting against your own economic interests?
 
Bucs90 proves my central thesis that Progressive are Compulsive Liars.

Any normal person would have come here and posted as a Liberal right from the start, but Bucs90 couldn't do that. he HAD to lie! He HAD to! He can't help himself. He is a Progressive and therefore is a Compulsive Liar

I will keep it simple: "Definition of a Compulsive Liar
By Jason Knapfel, eHow Contributor

Definition of a Compulsive Liar
While everyone lies now and again, compulsive liars have an uncontrollable impulse to lie about nearly everything. Often it gets to the point where the liar is so accustomed to their deception, that it becomes second nature."


Read more: Definition of a Compulsive Liar | eHow.com Definition of a Compulsive Liar | eHow.com
 
Bucs90 proves my central thesis that Progressive are Compulsive Liars.

Any normal person would have come here and posted as a Liberal right from the start, but Bucs90 couldn't do that. he HAD to lie! He HAD to! He can't help himself. He is a Progressive and therefore is a Compulsive Liar

I will keep it simple: "Definition of a Compulsive Liar
By Jason Knapfel, eHow Contributor

Definition of a Compulsive Liar
While everyone lies now and again, compulsive liars have an uncontrollable impulse to lie about nearly everything. Often it gets to the point where the liar is so accustomed to their deception, that it becomes second nature."


Read more: Definition of a Compulsive Liar | eHow.com Definition of a Compulsive Liar | eHow.com

did you call sallow a compulsive liar to his face, or naw? phony.
 
Police and Fire rescue are a local issue, so not sure what Bucs 90 has been drinking

Core values drive my political opinions and how I vote

Tax policy and budgets as the 2007 GOP budget as one would compare to Obama adding 500 billion to the 09 budget and calling it an "inherited" deficit as well as the "new baseline" is as far as I need to go, not to mention no job growth sense the failed stimulus(s)
(Tarp was added also to the "new baseline" by BHO)
Senate vote fails, Obama gets $350B - Jan. 15, 2009

Independents wobble to much for me

do you want a tax policy that keeps me from paying a rate that my new ford truck and travel trailer never gets bought? ( the difference in my tax rate from 00 to 01 thru present)
GWB tax policy works, spending 3.6 trillion a year does not

do we feel that spending 5 trillion dollars more than we have is a direction that needs debating?
we have 0 job growth i those years from the failed stimulus and in reality from jan 25th 2009 (about to get there, just hang on)


core values, it is that simple. people who cannot help them selves need our help
SS
Medicare
they need change

Romney and Ryan will bring that change
sigh....

President Obama DID NOT add $500 billion to the fiscal 2009 budget.

it was calculated that he added $150 billion on the low end to $200 billion on the high end.

No need to lie, or make figures out of the clear blue sky...it is, what it is....

Federal_Spending_Bush_Vs_Obama.png


Since pictures can convey information more efficiently than words, we’ll sum up the official spending figures in this chart. It also reflects our finding that Obama increased fiscal 2009 spending by at most $203 billion, accounting for well under half the huge increase that year. So if current spending is an “inferno,” it’s one that Bush (and Congress) is mostly responsible for starting.

But it’s also true that Obama has done little to put it out.


FactCheck.org : Obama’s Spending: ‘Inferno’ or Not?

This is the most thorough and complete article on the FACTS, and quite interesting as well.... Please, for the love of gawd, read it, and STOP passing the lies around that you were told on this....

No need to lie, it's already crappy....
 
The deficit in 2009 would have been close to 1 trillion dollars even if federal government spending had stayed at 2008 levels.

that's the 'inherited' part.

Okay
no argument there
Obama never has taken ownership of any of it and has failed in creating any jobs, for that matter stopping the bleeding of jobs

What?!? We were shedding 750,000 jobs per month when he took office. We're no adding jobs every month - to the tune of 4.5M private sector jobs in the past three years. The serious drag on jobs creation has been a precipitous decline in public jobs, which I thought you conservatives would be wetting the bed about. Isn't that the Right's nirvana, more private sector and less public sector jobs?
 
Bucs90 proves my central thesis that Progressive are Compulsive Liars.

Any normal person would have come here and posted as a Liberal right from the start, but Bucs90 couldn't do that. he HAD to lie! He HAD to! He can't help himself. He is a Progressive and therefore is a Compulsive Liar

I will keep it simple: "Definition of a Compulsive Liar
By Jason Knapfel, eHow Contributor

Definition of a Compulsive Liar
While everyone lies now and again, compulsive liars have an uncontrollable impulse to lie about nearly everything. Often it gets to the point where the liar is so accustomed to their deception, that it becomes second nature."

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Or maybe he changed his mind.

You've never changed your mind on anything in your life? Seriously?

Frankly, I look at Bucs, and I see a guy who is voting his own self interest. He's a police officer who looks at guys like Romney and Ryan as folks who want to cut his pay and benefits.
 
Police and Fire rescue are a local issue, so not sure what Bucs 90 has been drinking

Core values drive my political opinions and how I vote

Tax policy and budgets as the 2007 GOP budget as one would compare to Obama adding 500 billion to the 09 budget and calling it an "inherited" deficit as well as the "new baseline" is as far as I need to go, not to mention no job growth sense the failed stimulus(s)
(Tarp was added also to the "new baseline" by BHO)
Senate vote fails, Obama gets $350B - Jan. 15, 2009

Independents wobble to much for me

do you want a tax policy that keeps me from paying a rate that my new ford truck and travel trailer never gets bought? ( the difference in my tax rate from 00 to 01 thru present)
GWB tax policy works, spending 3.6 trillion a year does not

do we feel that spending 5 trillion dollars more than we have is a direction that needs debating?
we have 0 job growth i those years from the failed stimulus and in reality from jan 25th 2009 (about to get there, just hang on)


core values, it is that simple. people who cannot help them selves need our help
SS
Medicare
they need change

Romney and Ryan will bring that change
sigh....

President Obama DID NOT add $500 billion to the fiscal 2009 budget.

it was calculated that he added $150 billion on the low end to $200 billion on the high end.

No need to lie, or make figures out of the clear blue sky...it is, what it is....

Federal_Spending_Bush_Vs_Obama.png


Since pictures can convey information more efficiently than words, we’ll sum up the official spending figures in this chart. It also reflects our finding that Obama increased fiscal 2009 spending by at most $203 billion, accounting for well under half the huge increase that year. So if current spending is an “inferno,” it’s one that Bush (and Congress) is mostly responsible for starting.

But it’s also true that Obama has done little to put it out.


FactCheck.org : Obama’s Spending: ‘Inferno’ or Not?

This is the most thorough and complete article on the FACTS, and quite interesting as well.... Please, for the love of gawd, read it, and STOP passing the lies around that you were told on this....

No need to lie, it's already crappy....

you left out the 50% of tarp he grabbed
you also ignored what GWB asked for and what we actually spent
2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...u4CgDQ&usg=AFQjCNGoiVEB_1mhKaV9N6o2DSASKcUpcQ


graph?
2007, last GOP budget we spent 2.8 trillion
2009, Obamas first baseline, 3.6 trillion
been the same sense
BTW GWB asked for 3.1 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_federal_budget
he signed none of it except the first 50% of tarp, we got most of that back
did you think GM got that 80 billion from what?
GMAC?
 
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Since the $80 billion bailout of the auto industry
this does not include the monies GMAC got
U.S. Auto Bailout Will Cost Billions More Than Previously Thought: Treasury

First, Nutting writes, “In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion.” This is inaccurate for two reasons: first, as Nutting notes in a separate chart, Obama was responsible for $140 billion in stimulus spending in 2009. Therefore, insinuating that the 2009 deficit was garnered entirely under President Bush’s watch is misleading.

Second, and related, Nutting fails to place blame for a number of other spending items President Obama signed into law on the President, particularly those from the $410 billion H.R. 1105, the Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009. This Act, signed into law by President Obama on March 11, 2009, included the following:

Five billion dollars worth of earmarks added by Members of Congress.
A funding increase of $8.5 billion in the Labor-HHS-Education portion of the law, excluding emergency appropriations.
A $31 billion increase in nine bills funding various federal agencies over FY 2008, as totaled by the U.S. Conference of Mayor.

Correcting the media on Obama’s spending record… again « Hot Air
 

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