A thought about "flippers" and "Independents"

Why don't you move to Cuba? Serious question. I'm multilingual. Spanish is very easy to learn.

If you hate America so much, truly why don't you move to a communist country like Cuba and be happy forever?

Why be so miserable in a country you hate with such passion?

Why don't you move to a right wing utopia like Iran or Saudi arabia? It would fit you and the other hard right goons that hate america perfectly!

My friend I have no idea what your talking about
The GOP has done more for civil rights than the left has
A Lincoln was a repub

Lincoln was the left in 1860.
 
Romney and Ryan will bring change of bringing back the epically failed W policies, and expand on them even more to "finish the job" of completely destroying the nation.

You would have to be mentally ill to vote (R) in this day and age.

Why don't you move to Cuba? Serious question. I'm multilingual. Spanish is very easy to learn.

If you hate America so much, truly why don't you move to a communist country like Cuba and be happy forever?

Why be so miserable in a country you hate with such passion?

Why don't you move to a right wing utopia like Iran or Saudi arabia? It would fit you and the other hard right goons that hate america perfectly!

Hard right goon?

:lol:

Kid I put dollars to donuts that you don't even have a clue about being left or liberal. You are just a basement poster thinking you are left.

You are a dime a dozen. I really used to be left wing. I lived and breathed it marched and screamed it. You are a phony.

You are someone with a computer thinking you are a something by running insults at those who oppose what views you think you have.
 
Why don't you move to a right wing utopia like Iran or Saudi arabia? It would fit you and the other hard right goons that hate america perfectly!

My friend I have no idea what your talking about
The GOP has done more for civil rights than the left has
A Lincoln was a repub

Yes he was a republican. He also was very progressive in his time and would be considered a democrat today.

Also that's laughable the GOP has done more for civil rights? :lmao: The GOP is still full of racists and bigots today just like they have been for generations.

so are the Democrats BL,quit deluding yourself.....watch how fast a white Democratic neighborhood would react if a Black or Brown family moved in....
 
Why don't you move to a right wing utopia like Iran or Saudi arabia? It would fit you and the other hard right goons that hate america perfectly!

My friend I have no idea what your talking about
The GOP has done more for civil rights than the left has
A Lincoln was a repub

Lincoln was the left in 1860.

:lol:

A true poster child with Who's argument. Lincoln was left even though he was Republican.
Oh and the KKK were really all right wing even though they were D's. And Senator Byrd (when he was Klan) you see was a R before he saw the light and became a D.

Man this shit is so old and pathetic. And blown out of the water so many times over.
 
Why don't you move to Cuba? Serious question. I'm multilingual. Spanish is very easy to learn.

If you hate America so much, truly why don't you move to a communist country like Cuba and be happy forever?

Why be so miserable in a country you hate with such passion?

Why don't you move to a right wing utopia like Iran or Saudi arabia? It would fit you and the other hard right goons that hate america perfectly!

Hard right goon?

:lol:

Kid I put dollars to donuts that you don't even have a clue about being left or liberal. You are just a basement poster thinking you are left.

You are a dime a dozen. I really used to be left wing. I lived and breathed it marched and screamed it. You are a phony.

You are someone with a computer thinking you are a something by running insults at those who oppose what views you think you have.

You are a hard right troll, that's for sure. If you were "once left wing", and now are on the hard right, you never were a real progressive in the first place.
 
The deficit in 2009 would have been close to 1 trillion dollars even if federal government spending had stayed at 2008 levels.

that's the 'inherited' part.

Okay
no argument there
Obama never has taken ownership of any of it and has failed in creating any jobs, for that matter stopping the bleeding of jobs

I would not hold him in account if not for the 1 trillion in stimulus that he stated would stop this massive job loss
You cannot be saving or creating until we get back to 0
this event re created a federal baseline that also had 1 war removed from it that is still 5-600 billion above any base-line prior to him

That also should not have continued as we move back to 2008 employment numbers
the inheritance was the job loss more than the 3 trillion dollar budget (before BHO added to it)
job numbers have remained non existent
no jobs
no revenue
2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Why don't you move to a right wing utopia like Iran or Saudi arabia? It would fit you and the other hard right goons that hate america perfectly!

Hard right goon?

:lol:

Kid I put dollars to donuts that you don't even have a clue about being left or liberal. You are just a basement poster thinking you are left.

You are a dime a dozen. I really used to be left wing. I lived and breathed it marched and screamed it. You are a phony.

You are someone with a computer thinking you are a something by running insults at those who oppose what views you think you have.

You are a hard right troll, that's for sure. If you were "once left wing", and now are on the hard right, you never were a real progressive in the first place.

Ahh, you see I am not a hard right troll.

I am someone who can profess to not only reading Castaneda but loving and living that life. I named my first company after Ixtlan.

I partied with Zappa and Golden Earring before you were born. I used to go to rallies that featured speakers like Angela Davis. And concerts with Country Joe and the Fish.

I am a true liberal. That's why I can only vote conservative these days.

And you won't understand a damn thing I just posted. You won't get it at all you little indoctrinated troll.
 
what failed policies?

That would be free market capitalism. Which is a system that obama claims doesn't work and has never worked because the result of a free market is inequality. Enforced equality through socialism is the way forward.

well well
at least your honest about all of this
Cannot debate that except it has failed ever where it was tried, but China
You want to live in that world?

China is transitioning into free market capitalism. I'm not saying I agree with the premise, just that the premise exists and is, in all reality, the choices this election are to make. You cannot have freedom and equality. The two are mutually exclusive. This election is all about that decision.
 
I've no respect for those so easily swayed on superficial issues. You can rant all you want about firemen and cops but those are not issues for national debate. Just because some politicians do dumb shit doesn't mean I should change my core beliefs.
 
That would be free market capitalism. Which is a system that obama claims doesn't work and has never worked because the result of a free market is inequality. Enforced equality through socialism is the way forward.

well well
at least your honest about all of this
Cannot debate that except it has failed ever where it was tried, but China
You want to live in that world?

China is transitioning into free market capitalism. I'm not saying I agree with the premise, just that the premise exists and is, in all reality, the choices this election are to make. You cannot have freedom and equality. The two are mutually exclusive. This election is all about that decision.

I agree some
try and have 2 babies in China
 
I've no respect for those so easily swayed on superficial issues. You can rant all you want about firemen and cops but those are not issues for national debate. Just because some politicians do dumb shit doesn't mean I should change my core beliefs.

100% the core of my thread
Romney is not first choice
Ryan is pretty close
a fireman making 50k a year and gobs of beenies is up to the city and county govt
and the tax payer
AND THE TAX PAYER

what I pay in sales tax in my home town is .0001 of the 30+ % I give the federal govt
 
You will now witness the "OMG I just can't bring myself to vote for Romney" and the "OMG I've been a conservative all my life but I can't vote for Romney so I have to vote for Obama" threads all over every freaking message board from here to the election.

Ditto with callers to radio stations professing their conservatism out the ying yang all whilst explaining their strange conversion to liberalism because Romney's not conservative enough.

Makes your head spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist.

:lol:

The plants are here. And they won't go away till after the election.

I've been here since last july...

I've said all along, I've been a life-long republican who is disturbed the GOP has been hijacked by religious nutbags and corporate oppurtunists.

And Romney is those things on Steroids...

You guys knew a large chunk of your primary base was unhappy with Romney, and you shoved him down our throats anyway....

Are you really surprised some of us are puking it back up?
 
You will now witness the "OMG I just can't bring myself to vote for Romney" and the "OMG I've been a conservative all my life but I can't vote for Romney so I have to vote for Obama" threads all over every freaking message board from here to the election.

Ditto with callers to radio stations professing their conservatism out the ying yang all whilst explaining their strange conversion to liberalism because Romney's not conservative enough.

Makes your head spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist.

:lol:

The plants are here. And they won't go away till after the election.

I've been here since last july...

I've said all along, I've been a life-long republican who is disturbed the GOP has been hijacked by religious nutbags and corporate oppurtunists.

And Romney is those things on Steroids...

You guys knew a large chunk of your primary base was unhappy with Romney, and you shoved him down our throats anyway....

Are you really surprised some of us are puking it back up?

Bullshit. I can smoke you out in a heartbeat.

Come on. You made it easy early on. And there are many of you and this is the game you play.

Hey from the other side, we know what you do and how you play. Took you out big time in 2010 and will this time around.

My game is for the Senate. You are just a side dish.
 
Bullshit. I can smoke you out in a heartbeat.

Come on. You made it easy early on. And there are many of you and this is the game you play.

Hey from the other side, we know what you do and how you play. Took you out big time in 2010 and will this time around.

My game is for the Senate. You are just a side dish.

Except you'll lose that too, because Romney will drag all these guys down with him...

The fact is, you guys picked a guy even you didn't like, you don't trust, and the feeling is mutual.

If this was the big love-fest you all claim it is, he wouldn't have picked a clown like Ryan who has even less business being on a national ticket than Sarah Palin did.
 
My friend I have no idea what your talking about
The GOP has done more for civil rights than the left has
A Lincoln was a repub

Lincoln was the left in 1860.

:lol:

A true poster child with Who's argument. Lincoln was left even though he was Republican.
Oh and the KKK were really all right wing even though they were D's. And Senator Byrd (when he was Klan) you see was a R before he saw the light and became a D.

Man this shit is so old and pathetic. And blown out of the water so many times over.

If Lincoln was a conservative, why was he supporting the central federal government's power over states' rights? Why was he invoking the Supremacy clause of the Constitution over all the states' rights arguments?

When was that ever a core belief of conservatives?
 
Every election there are the ones that claimed to be republicans and flipped to democrat. Another lame democrat trick. that's all democrats do, trickery.
 
Police and Fire rescue are a local issue, so not sure what Bucs 90 has been drinking

Core values drive my political opinions and how I vote

Tax policy and budgets as the 2007 GOP budget as one would compare to Obama adding 500 billion to the 09 budget and calling it an "inherited" deficit as well as the "new baseline" is as far as I need to go, not to mention no job growth sense the failed stimulus(s)
(Tarp was added also to the "new baseline" by BHO)
Senate vote fails, Obama gets $350B - Jan. 15, 2009

Independents wobble to much for me

do you want a tax policy that keeps me from paying a rate that my new ford truck and travel trailer never gets bought? ( the difference in my tax rate from 00 to 01 thru present)
GWB tax policy works, spending 3.6 trillion a year does not

do we feel that spending 5 trillion dollars more than we have is a direction that needs debating?
we have 0 job growth i those years from the failed stimulus and in reality from jan 25th 2009 (about to get there, just hang on)


core values, it is that simple. people who cannot help them selves need our help
SS
Medicare
they need change

Romney and Ryan will bring that change

Do you realize what you are even saying? Obama spend 500B more then Bush would have. Bush's tax policies worked.

The deficit was 1.5T. So, as long as we would of had complete republican control, the deficit would have only been 1T. That's not all that much better.
 
Congress used the supremacy clause to keep the southern states from succeeding.

Lincoln believed in individual success and the freedom to work for yourself. That's a conservative core value. He believed in individual prosperity.
 
Why don't you move to a right wing utopia like Iran or Saudi arabia? It would fit you and the other hard right goons that hate america perfectly!

My friend I have no idea what your talking about
The GOP has done more for civil rights than the left has
A Lincoln was a repub

Yes he was a republican. He also was very progressive in his time and would be considered a democrat today.

Also that's laughable the GOP has done more for civil rights? :lmao: The GOP is still full of racists and bigots today just like they have been for generations.

Yeah, I happened to snap a picture of the biggest racist ever protesting the protesters after the Romney event in Norfolk..

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There were a lot of bigots.. Just like him.. At the event.. All jokes aside, It's sorta funny to see how much of a Rockstar they're made out to be.. Seems like everyone wants to shake hands with them.. I witnessed this ALL day. You can't tell me the Republican party is full of racists. Maybe the Democratic party.. They're the ones that take the black vote for granted. Obama wouldn't even appear at NAACP this year. Romney did.
 
Independents wobble to much for me
*laughs*

There is no independent party. It's a group of people, who vote for who they want regardless of what other people. If you want to be an independent all you got to do is think for yourself. lol
 

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