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So.....you're a fraud?
You were....to put this in the mildest term....a prevaricator?
You weren't telling the truth when you claimed to believe in
1. individualism
2. free markets
3. limited constitutional government.
There could not be a more clear indication of the behavior of a Liberal.
And your strict doctrinaire could not be a more clear indication of the behavior of a conservative. It can only be accepted under your strict and narrow terms...no nuance, no rules, black or white, no qualifiers. Thank you for proving that you have a polarized mind.
You didn't tell the truth......ashamed?
Where is there a natural gas or hydrogen filling station?
How come they are not around?
How come the free market has not invested in those?
What free market analyst advises their clients to put their investment dollars in those energy delivery systems?
What large industrial investment group invests in that?
Until Americans learn and listen exactly to what President Bush stated about American energy demand WE WILL continue to be a nation of energy guzzling dumbasses.
WE ARE A NATION ADDICTED TO OIL.
We are a lazy, stupid, dumbaass society that drives around in vehicles that get 9 mpg and believe that if we just continue to drill for oil then all is okay.
Fact is with exploration and capital outlays any and all domestic production would still have to be around a little less than $3 a gallon fof domestic drilling operations to make a profit.
Green is the future. Oil is great for the short term but natural gas and hydrogen vehicles will NEVER get to the showroom UNTIL the delivery system for those fuels is set in place FIRST.
i just drove BMW's hybrid, too.
isn't it weird how the really extreme people on the right think there's something wrong with conservation?
it's kind of retarded.
You didn't read the thread, did you?
Note: the ROI for a hybrid JUST IS NOT THERE. The payback is in the 150,000 mile range even at $4/gallon.
A friend bought a Prius a few years ago. Paid right at 20K. 59 mpg.
Many others I know bought cars that cost more than 20K and get under 30 mpg.
Payback isn't there?
I call this the 'blockade' factor..Right. That mandate is unrealistic. There are so many exceptions.
It's all nonsense. Battery technology is not progressing. People are not interested in over priced golf carts on wheels.
Look, there are other technologies out there ( Natural gas, hydrogen) that are better more efficient and cheaper. Here's the problem, they are not politically palatable.
Why? Because any fuel which can be used in autos in lieu of oil, is loaded with political land mines.
Imagine natural gas at $2.80 per therm( 1000 cubic feet) supplanting oil at $98 per barrel( 42 gals) or gasoline at $2.90 per gallon...That is a cheap clean and highly available alternative. The oil companies and of course OPEC would have none of that.
If oil were not the main fuel used in the US for autos, the OPEC nations would fall into bankruptcy. The geo political turmoil would be catastrophic.
Oil companies are among the world's largest corporations. With a much smaller market ,those firms would struggle as well.
The above reasons are give light to the fact that all of these green energy schemes are a lot of nonsense.
No, there is no delivery system for that energy now.
How much capital would it cost to change over from gasoline to natural gas and/or hydrogen?
Who is going to front that capital? The oil companies?
NO.
WHO?
IN other words "we can't do that so we won't even look for ways to get it done".
Capital? From where? If the federal government was in on the project, you'd be spot on.
The problem is regulatory road blocks set by the federal government.
Otherwise there would already be private sector companies at least researching if not building the systems of delivery and point of sale.
Where is there a natural gas or hydrogen filling station?
How come they are not around?
How come the free market has not invested in those?
What free market analyst advises their clients to put their investment dollars in those energy delivery systems?
What large industrial investment group invests in that?
Until Americans learn and listen exactly to what President Bush stated about American energy demand WE WILL continue to be a nation of energy guzzling dumbasses.
WE ARE A NATION ADDICTED TO OIL.
We are a lazy, stupid, dumbaass society that drives around in vehicles that get 9 mpg and believe that if we just continue to drill for oil then all is okay.
Fact is with exploration and capital outlays any and all domestic production would still have to be around a little less than $3 a gallon fof domestic drilling operations to make a profit.
Green is the future. Oil is great for the short term but natural gas and hydrogen vehicles will NEVER get to the showroom UNTIL the delivery system for those fuels is set in place FIRST.
You didn't read the thread, did you?
Note: the ROI for a hybrid JUST IS NOT THERE. The payback is in the 150,000 mile range even at $4/gallon.
A friend bought a Prius a few years ago. Paid right at 20K. 59 mpg.
Many others I know bought cars that cost more than 20K and get under 30 mpg.
Payback isn't there?
For a bit more than HALF the cost of a Prius, you can get a regular car that gets about 40MPG. (Honda Fit, Kia Rio, Hyundai Accent, Ford Focus MPG, Chevy Cruze Eco) Nine grand buys a lot of gas, especially at 40MPG.
Where is there a natural gas or hydrogen filling station?
How come they are not around?
How come the free market has not invested in those?
What free market analyst advises their clients to put their investment dollars in those energy delivery systems?
What large industrial investment group invests in that?
Until Americans learn and listen exactly to what President Bush stated about American energy demand WE WILL continue to be a nation of energy guzzling dumbasses.
WE ARE A NATION ADDICTED TO OIL.
We are a lazy, stupid, dumbaass society that drives around in vehicles that get 9 mpg and believe that if we just continue to drill for oil then all is okay.
Fact is with exploration and capital outlays any and all domestic production would still have to be around a little less than $3 a gallon fof domestic drilling operations to make a profit.
Green is the future. Oil is great for the short term but natural gas and hydrogen vehicles will NEVER get to the showroom UNTIL the delivery system for those fuels is set in place FIRST.
The market for a CNG car might be there...if you have gas heat at home, you can fuel it there.
You keep your cars 15 years it is like getting the car for 1/5 the price in fuel savings.
Where is there a natural gas or hydrogen filling station?
How come they are not around?
How come the free market has not invested in those?
What free market analyst advises their clients to put their investment dollars in those energy delivery systems?
What large industrial investment group invests in that?
Until Americans learn and listen exactly to what President Bush stated about American energy demand WE WILL continue to be a nation of energy guzzling dumbasses.
WE ARE A NATION ADDICTED TO OIL.
We are a lazy, stupid, dumbaass society that drives around in vehicles that get 9 mpg and believe that if we just continue to drill for oil then all is okay.
Fact is with exploration and capital outlays any and all domestic production would still have to be around a little less than $3 a gallon fof domestic drilling operations to make a profit.
Green is the future. Oil is great for the short term but natural gas and hydrogen vehicles will NEVER get to the showroom UNTIL the delivery system for those fuels is set in place FIRST.
Puullleeeeeezzzzzzzzzzeee!
Enough of that 'Green is the future' nonsense.....
There is every reason to believe that we have far more energy reserves than the government estimates.
a. The 2008 USGS assessment estimated 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in the U.S. portion of the Bakken Formation, elevating it to a world-class accumulation. The estimate had a mean value of 3.65 billion barrels. The USGS routinely conducts updates to oil and gas assessments when significant new information is available, such as new understanding of a resource basins geology or when advances in technology occur for drilling and production . The 2008 USGS assessment showed a 25-fold increase in the amount of technically recoverable oil as compared to the agency's 1995 estimate of 151 million barrels of oil. Bakken Formation Oil Assessment in North Dakota, Montana will be updated by U.S. Geological Survey
b. Oil giant BP says it has made a "giant" new oil discovery in its fields in the Gulf of Mexico . BP said the discovery, amounting to more than three billion barrels, would "support the continuing growth of our deepwater Gulf of Mexico business into the second half of the next decade". BBC NEWS | Business | BP in 'giant' new oil discovery
c. According to the US Geological Survey, the Arctic sea floor has 13% of the world's undiscovered "conventional" oil reserves and 30% of undiscovered natural-gas reserves. Oil-Drilling Trade-Offs: Keystone for Alaska
d. The Marcellus Shale [Pennsylvania, Oho, New York] could be one of the USA's most promising natural gas ...that the Marcellus might contain more than 500 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. ... Marcellus Shale Gas: New Research Results Surprise Geologists!
Where is there a natural gas or hydrogen filling station?
How come they are not around?
How come the free market has not invested in those?
What free market analyst advises their clients to put their investment dollars in those energy delivery systems?
What large industrial investment group invests in that?
Until Americans learn and listen exactly to what President Bush stated about American energy demand WE WILL continue to be a nation of energy guzzling dumbasses.
WE ARE A NATION ADDICTED TO OIL.
We are a lazy, stupid, dumbaass society that drives around in vehicles that get 9 mpg and believe that if we just continue to drill for oil then all is okay.
Fact is with exploration and capital outlays any and all domestic production would still have to be around a little less than $3 a gallon fof domestic drilling operations to make a profit.
Green is the future. Oil is great for the short term but natural gas and hydrogen vehicles will NEVER get to the showroom UNTIL the delivery system for those fuels is set in place FIRST.
Yes, let's go full EV. How many extra power plants are you willing to build to power all those vehicles? How are they going to be fueled? It takes on average 6 years to build one power plant. You would need to build at least 50 new plants to power the EV's. The EV's don't last as long as a regular oil powered vehicle and the battery packs are toxic as hell. Where are you going to put them?
How is the average poor person going to be able to pay for the increased cost of energy in your utopia? How is the average person going to pay for the food they eat when the energy prices soar to the point that food costs start to skyrocket so that you can take us off of that evil oil that just happens to cost around one third of the best priced "green" energy?
The devil is in the details. The details tell us that at the current tech level we are at, your schemes will bankrupt anyone who is not a millionaire. How do you reconcile that?
And the rights of groups cannot trample the rights of an individual.And your strict doctrinaire could not be a more clear indication of the behavior of a conservative. It can only be accepted under your strict and narrow terms...no nuance, no rules, black or white, no qualifiers. Thank you for proving that you have a polarized mind.
You didn't tell the truth......ashamed?
I did tell the truth. If I didn't then it must mean that individualism is the right to trample the rights of others. And free markets means you can dump your waste to make more profit and leave that mess for others to clean up. And the Constitution was written as a weapon to oppress and suppress We, the People.
And the rights of groups cannot trample the rights of an individual.You didn't tell the truth......ashamed?
I did tell the truth. If I didn't then it must mean that individualism is the right to trample the rights of others. And free markets means you can dump your waste to make more profit and leave that mess for others to clean up. And the Constitution was written as a weapon to oppress and suppress We, the People.
Stop with the enviro wacko tree hugger bullshit.
The Constitution was written as a weapon?
You are on crack.
Stop trying to change the narrative.
Individualism is the opposite of groupism....
In the USA we celebrate the individual. We celebrate individual achievement. We root for the underdog. Liberals do not accept the concept of the individual. The left wants people categorized and lumped into groups. Then they want to cater to the lowest common denominator. Liberals do not acknowledge hard work as a means to succeed. They view this as unfair. It is unfair because not everyone has the same drive and intelligence to succeed. So liberals seek to punish those who make their lives better. Especially without the help of government.
Now you're just spewing lib talking points.And the rights of groups cannot trample the rights of an individual.I did tell the truth. If I didn't then it must mean that individualism is the right to trample the rights of others. And free markets means you can dump your waste to make more profit and leave that mess for others to clean up. And the Constitution was written as a weapon to oppress and suppress We, the People.
Stop with the enviro wacko tree hugger bullshit.
The Constitution was written as a weapon?
You are on crack.
Stop trying to change the narrative.
Individualism is the opposite of groupism....
In the USA we celebrate the individual. We celebrate individual achievement. We root for the underdog. Liberals do not accept the concept of the individual. The left wants people categorized and lumped into groups. Then they want to cater to the lowest common denominator. Liberals do not acknowledge hard work as a means to succeed. They view this as unfair. It is unfair because not everyone has the same drive and intelligence to succeed. So liberals seek to punish those who make their lives better. Especially without the help of government.
You summed up the right's ignorance in a few sentences.
thereisnospoon & friends...
We root for the underdog!!!
When did Americans start their dislike of American made? What caused this change? Conservative hatred of made in America simply astounds me. It is easy to see the connection between unions and government and this dislike, but the inability to separate American ingenuity and work from their favorite bogeyman shows a real lack of knowledge of our history and the progress of the combination of business and government. Why do Americans on the right hate America today?
Just for instance consider the enormous and beneficial impact of the GI Bill? I used it for my education. Americans need to abandon the right wing negativism and get back to doing things and not simply labeling things as bad. "In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream"
"The rise of conservative politics in postwar America is one of the great puzzles of American political history. For much of the period that followed the end of World War II, conservative ideas about the primacy of the free market, and the dangers of too-powerful labor unions, government regulation, and an activist, interventionist state seemed to have been thoroughly rejected by most intellectual and political elites. Scholars and politicians alike dismissed those who adhered to such faiths as a "radical right," for whom to quote the Columbia University historian Richard Hofstadter politics "becomes an arena into which the wildest fancies are projected, the most paranoid suspicions, the most absurd superstitions, the most bizarre apocalyptic fantasies." How, then, did such ideas move from their marginal position in the middle years of the twentieth century to become the reigning politics of the country by the century's end?" Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')
When did Americans start their dislike of American made? What caused this change? Conservative hatred of made in America simply astounds me. It is easy to see the connection between unions and government and this dislike, but the inability to separate American ingenuity and work from their favorite bogeyman shows a real lack of knowledge of our history and the progress of the combination of business and government. Why do Americans on the right hate America today?
Just for instance consider the enormous and beneficial impact of the GI Bill? I used it for my education. Americans need to abandon the right wing negativism and get back to doing things and not simply labeling things as bad. "In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream"
"The rise of conservative politics in postwar America is one of the great puzzles of American political history. For much of the period that followed the end of World War II, conservative ideas about the primacy of the free market, and the dangers of too-powerful labor unions, government regulation, and an activist, interventionist state seemed to have been thoroughly rejected by most intellectual and political elites. Scholars and politicians alike dismissed those who adhered to such faiths as a "radical right," for whom to quote the Columbia University historian Richard Hofstadter politics "becomes an arena into which the wildest fancies are projected, the most paranoid suspicions, the most absurd superstitions, the most bizarre apocalyptic fantasies." How, then, did such ideas move from their marginal position in the middle years of the twentieth century to become the reigning politics of the country by the century's end?" Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')
