A Tale of Lies, Deceit, and Terrorism: the Birth of Israel

[Phoenall]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Lets see now

1 a blog that has no credibility from 2013

2 a known and proven anti semitic source from 2013

3 a blog with no credibility from 2013

4 a Jewish student movement

5 a web based radio that is anti Jew

Hardly undisputed facts that you post are they, just islamonazi propaganda and lies.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Challenger so what is some students are earning pocket money on the net? I have read the same accusations in relation to the Pro-palestinian side. In any event, anyone earning pocket money that way obviously agrees with the views he or she is espousing, so what does it matter? I doubt there is any big money involved in posting on forums. And even if some money is being paid, no doubt it goes on on both sides of the spectrum. I don't think it is significant anyway.

OK, you can lead a horse to water... I'd be interested however, in seeing any equivalent links for those espousing a pro-Palestinian viewpoint. In my experience, most, if not all of us are free thinking individuals, who once may have been pro-Isreal and through our own research uncovered the fact that we'd all been lied to and manipulated for the last 60 years or so. If you have an open mind your turn will come, until then enjoy your naivety.

Do we need to with the evidence on this board alone .

 

[Challenger]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Challenger so what is some students are earning pocket money on the net? I have read the same accusations in relation to the Pro-palestinian side. In any event, anyone earning pocket money that way obviously agrees with the views he or she is espousing, so what does it matter? I doubt there is any big money involved in posting on forums. And even if some money is being paid, no doubt it goes on on both sides of the spectrum. I don't think it is significant anyway.

OK, you can lead a horse to water... I'd be interested however, in seeing any equivalent links for those espousing a pro-Palestinian viewpoint. In my experience, most, if not all of us are free thinking individuals, who once may have been pro-Isreal and through our own research uncovered the fact that we'd all been lied to and manipulated for the last 60 years or so. If you have an open mind your turn will come, until then enjoy your naivety.

Challenger, I suggest that you google the same issue on the other side of the fence and you'll find similar accusations. I do not believe that most anti-Israeli posters were once pro-Israel and due to research, have changed their minds. In fact, I'd wager that most have an specific mistrust forJews and fail to comment on any misdeeds by any other far more repressive and cruel regimes. I think that your view is as rigid as mine and no amount of trolling the net for affirmations of either of our viewpoints will make a lick of difference.

Accusations, yes; Evidence, no. That's why I asked. Believe what you will, that's how I, at least, changed my perspective on this conflict from a blind supporter to enlightened opponent. You also seem to conflate Jewishness with Zionist Israel, remember not all Zionists are Jewish nor are all Jewish people Zionists. Furthermore if I wanted to comment on "misdeeds by any other far more repressive and cruel regimes" I would do so in another forum. This forum is about Israel and Palestine; are Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, Saudi regimes evil and dispicable? of course they are, but they're not relevant (except in passing) to the conflict between the Zionist Israelis and the Palestinians. that your view is rigid is becoming more and more obvious with every post, but I agree, our individual viewpoints will make no difference to the conflict, or will they?

 

[Challenger]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Just found this helpful article which says that the idea of paid posters never took off. From what i can see it is all students interested in politics that enjoy the internet warring. Comment posted damage done Online battle for Israel s hasbara - Israel News Ynetnews

Or the fact that it was exposed in short order meant that the practice had to be denied/repudiated/covered up. Doesn't mean it still doesn't go on unofficially.

 

[Roudy]

When I read the title of this thread, "lies, deceit and terrorism" I coulda sworn it was going to be about the life story of Mohammad.

 

[montelatici]

I knew immediately it was about Zionists.

 

[Roudy]

^^^^^^
That's because you're an obsessed Jew hater who's mentally ill.

 

[Challenger]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Lets see now

1 a blog that has no credibility from 2013

2 a known and proven anti semitic source from 2013

3 a blog with no credibility from 2013

4 a Jewish student movement

5 a web based radio that is anti Jew

Hardly undisputed facts that you post are they, just islamonazi propaganda and lies.

Yeah, Phoney's making things up again on Phoneyworld:

1. a story picked up by the BBC which appeared in ther Jerusalem Post as well as Ha'aretz, cited as an example of many other stories that did the rounds in Zionist Isreal at the time. OK, we agree, Zionist sources have no credibility.

2. USA Today is a known and proven anti semitic source? As is the Associated Press agency? OK I'll bear that in mind next time you link to either of those sources.

3. Muzzlewatch is perhaps a left-leaning equivalent to JihadWatch, Standwithus, (dis)HonestReporting and anything Daniel Pipes and his crew come up with. I'll grant you that.

4. Oh that's rich...

5. BBS Radio, anti-Semitic internet radio, that's a new one on me, I just included it because it had interesting quotes from the Hasbara playbook.

 

[montelatici]

^^^^^^
That's because you're an obsessed Jew hater who's mentally ill.

No, it's because I know history and have official records to go by. Official UN records: Official records that are purposely difficult to find and when found are ignored by propagandists like you and other ZioNutcases who rely exclusively on Hasbara propaganda.


UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF ​

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY​

​

SUPPLEMENT No. 11​

​

UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE​

​

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY​

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947


""The right of any community to use force as a means of gaining its political ends is riot admitted in the British Commonwealth. Since the beginning of 1945 the Jews have implicitly claimed this right and have supported by an organized campaign of lawlessness, murder and sabotage their contention that, whatever other interests might be concerned, nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of a Jewish State and free Jewish immigration into Palestine. It is true that large numbers of Jews do not today attempt to defend the crimes that have been committed in the name of these political aspirations. They recognize the damage caused' to their good name by these methods in the court of world opinion. Nevertheless, the Jewish community of Palestine still publicly refuses its help to the Administration in suppressing terrorism, on the ground that the Administration's policy is opposed to Jewish interests. The converse of this attitude is clear, and its result, however much the Jewish leaders themselves may not wish it, has been to give active encouragement to the dissidents and freer scope to their activities........."Zionism, however, does not content itself with mere propaganda in favour of the fulfilment of its expansionist projects at the expense of the Arab countries. Its plan involves recourse to terrorism, both in Palestine and in other countries. It is known that a secret army has been formed with a view to creating an atmosphere of tension and unrest by making attempts on the lives of representatives of the governing authority and by destroying public buildings . . . This aggressive attitude, resulting from the mandatory Power's weakness in dealing with them, will not fail to give rise in turn to the creation of similar organizations by the Arabs."

 

[Phoenall]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Just found this helpful article which says that the idea of paid posters never took off. From what i can see it is all students interested in politics that enjoy the internet warring. Comment posted damage done Online battle for Israel s hasbara - Israel News Ynetnews

Or the fact that it was exposed in short order meant that the practice had to be denied/repudiated/covered up. Doesn't mean it still doesn't go on unofficially.

And not one of your links proved that it was as widespread or as damaging as you tried to make people think. In other words you used half truths and fabrications to demonise Israel and the Jews as you have done since joining this forum.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Lets see now

1 a blog that has no credibility from 2013

2 a known and proven anti semitic source from 2013

3 a blog with no credibility from 2013

4 a Jewish student movement

5 a web based radio that is anti Jew

Hardly undisputed facts that you post are they, just islamonazi propaganda and lies.

Yeah, Phoney's making things up again on Phoneyworld:

1. a story picked up by the BBC which appeared in ther Jerusalem Post as well as Ha'aretz, cited as an example of many other stories that did the rounds in Zionist Isreal at the time. OK, we agree, Zionist sources have no credibility.

2. USA Today is a known and proven anti semitic source? As is the Associated Press agency? OK I'll bear that in mind next time you link to either of those sources.

3. Muzzlewatch is perhaps a left-leaning equivalent to JihadWatch, Standwithus, (dis)HonestReporting and anything Daniel Pipes and his crew come up with. I'll grant you that.

4. Oh that's rich...

5. BBS Radio, anti-Semitic internet radio, that's a new one on me, I just included it because it had interesting quotes from the Hasbara playbook.

1 As found from elsewhere BBC monitoring whole report based on maybe's and filling in spaces

2 Source is A.P. which is a proven anti semitic company

3 Muzzlewatch is a project of Jewish Voice for Peace already been debunked elsewhere

4 Hasbara Fellowships is a leading pro-Israel campus activism organization working with over 80 Universities across North America You were saying ?

5 BBS Radio network has a diverse variety of thought provoking shows ranging from Yiddish Art to Clean Energy
I would say very left wing almost as left as the National Socialist German workers party that mass murdered 10 million UNTERMENSH

 

[Phoenall]

^^^^^^
That's because you're an obsessed Jew hater who's mentally ill.

No, it's because I know history and have official records to go by. Official UN records: Official records that are purposely difficult to find and when found are ignored by propagandists like you and other ZioNutcases who rely exclusively on Hasbara propaganda.


UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY​

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947


""The right of any community to use force as a means of gaining its political ends is riot admitted in the British Commonwealth. Since the beginning of 1945 the Jews have implicitly claimed this right and have supported by an organized campaign of lawlessness, murder and sabotage their contention that, whatever other interests might be concerned, nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of a Jewish State and free Jewish immigration into Palestine. It is true that large numbers of Jews do not today attempt to defend the crimes that have been committed in the name of these political aspirations. They recognize the damage caused' to their good name by these methods in the court of world opinion. Nevertheless, the Jewish community of Palestine still publicly refuses its help to the Administration in suppressing terrorism, on the ground that the Administration's policy is opposed to Jewish interests. The converse of this attitude is clear, and its result, however much the Jewish leaders themselves may not wish it, has been to give active encouragement to the dissidents and freer scope to their activities........."Zionism, however, does not content itself with mere propaganda in favour of the fulfilment of its expansionist projects at the expense of the Arab countries. Its plan involves recourse to terrorism, both in Palestine and in other countries. It is known that a secret army has been formed with a view to creating an atmosphere of tension and unrest by making attempts on the lives of representatives of the governing authority and by destroying public buildings . . . This aggressive attitude, resulting from the mandatory Power's weakness in dealing with them, will not fail to give rise in turn to the creation of similar organizations by the Arabs."

And no report on the RIOTING, VIOLENCE, MURDER and RAPE carried out by arab muslims. Proving that the UN back then was as anti semitic as it is now.
Now I wonder which anti semitic Nazi Jew hater wrote this report, and why their name is not affixed. Or better still why YOU removed it ?

 

[montelatici]

You haven't provided one link to support your bullshit, not one. Of course, it would be difficult since you deal exclusively in bullshit. Saying that something has been debunked, does not make it so, especially when it is you just Phoenalling.

EDIT

 

[Roudy]

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".

- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -


"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".

- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

 

[Linkiloo]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Just found this helpful article which says that the idea of paid posters never took off. From what i can see it is all students interested in politics that enjoy the internet warring. Comment posted damage done Online battle for Israel s hasbara - Israel News Ynetnews

Or the fact that it was exposed in short order meant that the practice had to be denied/repudiated/covered up. Doesn't mean it still doesn't go on unofficially.

Well that is quite an assumption. The article gives many reasons as to why the practise made no sense which seem compelling to me. If you believe it to be so widespread I assume you have numbers? In any event, as I said, who cares. Even IS these days is fighting a war on social media too, so why should Israel be any different? I think it would be helpful to hold Israel to the same standards as everyone else.

 

[Challenger]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Just found this helpful article which says that the idea of paid posters never took off. From what i can see it is all students interested in politics that enjoy the internet warring. Comment posted damage done Online battle for Israel s hasbara - Israel News Ynetnews

Or the fact that it was exposed in short order meant that the practice had to be denied/repudiated/covered up. Doesn't mean it still doesn't go on unofficially.

And not one of your links proved that it was as widespread or as damaging as you tried to make people think. In other words you used half truths and fabrications to demonise Israel and the Jews as you have done since joining this forum.

Show me where I made any such assertion. Linkiloo suggested people were not paid to post on forums and social media, I demonstrated that this was not the case. You are now just making things up again in your little Phoney phantasy world.

 

[Challenger]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Just found this helpful article which says that the idea of paid posters never took off. From what i can see it is all students interested in politics that enjoy the internet warring. Comment posted damage done Online battle for Israel s hasbara - Israel News Ynetnews

Or the fact that it was exposed in short order meant that the practice had to be denied/repudiated/covered up. Doesn't mean it still doesn't go on unofficially.

Well that is quite an assumption. The article gives many reasons as to why the practise made no sense which seem compelling to me. If you believe it to be so widespread I assume you have numbers? In any event, as I said, who cares. Even IS these days is fighting a war on social media too, so why should Israel be any different? I think it would be helpful to hold Israel to the same standards as everyone else.

Fair enough. We agree then that anything coming from the pro-Israel camp is as likely to be paid for propaganda as not, after all, if it's good enough for dictatorships, like Russia or ISIL it's good enough for Israel. Got it.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Just found this helpful article which says that the idea of paid posters never took off. From what i can see it is all students interested in politics that enjoy the internet warring. Comment posted damage done Online battle for Israel s hasbara - Israel News Ynetnews

Or the fact that it was exposed in short order meant that the practice had to be denied/repudiated/covered up. Doesn't mean it still doesn't go on unofficially.

And not one of your links proved that it was as widespread or as damaging as you tried to make people think. In other words you used half truths and fabrications to demonise Israel and the Jews as you have done since joining this forum.

Show me where I made any such assertion. Linkiloo suggested people were not paid to post on forums and social media, I demonstrated that this was not the case. You are now just making things up again in your little Phoney phantasy world.

How many times have you accused posters on here of being paid Hasbarists without a shred of evidence. Theres were you have made those assertions, based on half truths and outright lies

 

[Phoenall]

I don't believe that anyone is being paid to express a view. When I read people accusing others of being paid for their few lines on an otherwise obscure forum, I sense that they feel outwitted. I imagine that almost everybody posts due to their passion on a topic and not for money (if only

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Just found this helpful article which says that the idea of paid posters never took off. From what i can see it is all students interested in politics that enjoy the internet warring. Comment posted damage done Online battle for Israel s hasbara - Israel News Ynetnews

Or the fact that it was exposed in short order meant that the practice had to be denied/repudiated/covered up. Doesn't mean it still doesn't go on unofficially.

Well that is quite an assumption. The article gives many reasons as to why the practise made no sense which seem compelling to me. If you believe it to be so widespread I assume you have numbers? In any event, as I said, who cares. Even IS these days is fighting a war on social media too, so why should Israel be any different? I think it would be helpful to hold Israel to the same standards as everyone else.

Fair enough. We agree then that anything coming from the pro-Israel camp is as likely to be paid for propaganda as not, after all, if it's good enough for dictatorships, like Russia or ISIL it's good enough for Israel. Got it.

In your last post you asked for evidence, here is your evidence

 

[Challenger]

Noone's being paid to deliver Zionist propaganda? Really?
Israel Government pays students to fight internet battles - BBC News
Israel to pay students to defend it online
Hasbara MuzzleWatch
Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=11961

Here's a a link to one of the handbooks, see if any posts here look familliar.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

Just found this helpful article which says that the idea of paid posters never took off. From what i can see it is all students interested in politics that enjoy the internet warring. Comment posted damage done Online battle for Israel s hasbara - Israel News Ynetnews

Or the fact that it was exposed in short order meant that the practice had to be denied/repudiated/covered up. Doesn't mean it still doesn't go on unofficially.

Well that is quite an assumption. The article gives many reasons as to why the practise made no sense which seem compelling to me. If you believe it to be so widespread I assume you have numbers? In any event, as I said, who cares. Even IS these days is fighting a war on social media too, so why should Israel be any different? I think it would be helpful to hold Israel to the same standards as everyone else.

Fair enough. We agree then that anything coming from the pro-Israel camp is as likely to be paid for propaganda as not, after all, if it's good enough for dictatorships, like Russia or ISIL it's good enough for Israel. Got it.

In your last post you asked for evidence, here is your evidence

Where?