A serious question to Christians about the Mormon faith

[TheGreatGatsby]

No, Mormons believe that Christ is God.

You're a liar and a shithead, idiot. Mormons don't believe in God, let alone that Jesus is God (at least Mormons who actually do believe Mormon doctrine). Mormons believe that Jesus is a mere evolved human being. And, Mormons believe that the Father is just another evolved human being. And, Mormons believe that we can likewise evolve and become as Jesus is. Mormonism is not Christianity. (Mormons call this evolution "exaltation".)

They don't believe in the trinity like the Catholics with their egg nonense of the yolk, whites and the shell analogy. A lot of non-Mormon Christians also believe in the God Head (3 beings) that and not the trinity, I would point out.

Wrong, assbreath. A lot of Christians do not believe anything like what Mormons believe. Christians -- not Mormons -- universally believe in God, one God, and that Jesus is God. (There's debate about the nature of Jesus as God, such as the Trinity vs. Modalism vs. my correct doctrine.)

Yea whatever. Go beat up your wife or something now. IGNORED.

 

[Amelia]

No, Mormons believe that Christ is God.

You're a liar and a shithead, idiot. Mormons don't believe in God, let alone that Jesus is God (at least Mormons who actually do believe Mormon doctrine). Mormons believe that Jesus is a mere evolved human being. And, Mormons believe that the Father is just another evolved human being. And, Mormons believe that we can likewise evolve and become as Jesus is. Mormonism is not Christianity. (Mormons call this evolution "exaltation".)

They don't believe in the trinity like the Catholics with their egg nonense of the yolk, whites and the shell analogy. A lot of non-Mormon Christians also believe in the God Head (3 beings) that and not the trinity, I would point out.

Wrong, assbreath. A lot of Christians do not believe anything like what Mormons believe. Christians -- not Mormons -- universally believe in God, one God, and that Jesus is God. (There's debate about the nature of Jesus as God, such as the Trinity vs. Modalism vs. my correct doctrine.)

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One example of neg reps being useful. The red splats say it all.


Mormons do believe in God.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

You are correct, it would be arrogant to proclaim someone not Christian if thats how they identify, I never meant it that way, only that I found myself challenged on my preconceived notion of what makes someone a Christain.

Okay. Obviously, it's okay to feel like they are wrong if you believe what you believe and it's different. I'm just saying that if you call them not a Christian when that is absolutely 'the rock' of their beliefs they're going to think you're being obtuse.

 

[Ariux]

Mormons do believe in God.

You be stupid much?

Mormons use the word God, but they don't mean God. They mean just as I explained.

 

[Amelia]

Mormons do believe in God.

You be stupid much?

Mormons use the word God, but they don't mean God. They mean just as I explained.

The greatest divide between Mormons and other Christians is in their belief in the nature of man, not in their belief in the nature of God.

Mormons think too highly of the potential of man for your comfort it seems.

Nevertheless, they do believe in God.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Do you consider Mormons to be Christians? How do you define a Christian.

Im asking because, I recently talked with a friend of mine, who is Mormon about his faith and while he calls himself a Christian, he didnt fit MY personal definition of a Christian, which is someone who believes Christ is our lord and savior. I would say, to me, he is as Christian as Christians are Jewish.

Please note, Im honestly curious and not looking for a flame fest of the Mormon faith.

You believe Jesus is above God? And you call yourself a Christian?

 

[Ariux]

The greatest divide between Mormons and other Christians is in their belief in the nature of man, not in their belief in the nature of God.

Mormons think too highly of the potential of man for your comfort it seems.

Nevertheless, they do believe in God.

I missed the part in your post where you said something intelligent.

1) Mormons believe "God" is an exulted human, and one of many.

2) "God" means the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Mormons believe in exulted humans. Exulted humans are not God. Therefor, Mormons do not believe in God.

 

[Amelia]

The greatest divide between Mormons and other Christians is in their belief in the nature of man, not in their belief in the nature of God.

Mormons think too highly of the potential of man for your comfort it seems.

Nevertheless, they do believe in God.

I missed the part in your post where you said something intelligent.

1) Mormons believe "God" is an exulted human, and one of many.

2) "God" means the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Mormons believe in exulted humans. Exulted humans are not God. Therefor, Mormons do not believe in God.

Mormons believe in God.


And this makes three posts in this thread in which I've responded to you, which is three posts more than I would usually give to someone with your posting history. So this will be my last.

Goodnight.

 

[Ariux]

The greatest divide between Mormons and other Christians is in their belief in the nature of man, not in their belief in the nature of God.

Mormons think too highly of the potential of man for your comfort it seems.

Nevertheless, they do believe in God.

I missed the part in your post where you said something intelligent.

1) Mormons believe "God" is an exulted human, and one of many.

2) "God" means the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Mormons believe in exulted humans. Exulted humans are not God. Therefor, Mormons do not believe in God.

Mormons believe in God.


And this makes three posts in this thread in which I've responded to you, which is three posts more than I would usually give to someone with your posting history. So this will be my last.

Goodnight.

Amelia, you have shit for brains. I have tried to hold your hand through a process of simple reasoning. But, that ball of shit in your skull doesn't have the capacity to reason, it only re-asserts the same shit in started with. I could have saved myself some time by pointing out that you have shit for brains, in the first place.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The greatest divide between Mormons and other Christians is in their belief in the nature of man, not in their belief in the nature of God.

Mormons think too highly of the potential of man for your comfort it seems.

Nevertheless, they do believe in God.

I missed the part in your post where you said something intelligent.

1) Mormons believe "God" is an exulted human, and one of many.

2) "God" means the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Mormons believe in exulted humans. Exulted humans are not God. Therefor, Mormons do not believe in God.

Mormons sure do believe in God. We do not believe in the Trinity. And the Bible is clear God ,Jesus and the holy spirit are not one and the same. So tell us, do you believe Jesus is superior to God?

 

[Avatar4321]

Do you consider Mormons to be Christians? How do you define a Christian.

Im asking because, I recently talked with a friend of mine, who is Mormon about his faith and while he calls himself a Christian, he didnt fit MY personal definition of a Christian, which is someone who believes Christ is our lord and savior. I would say, to me, he is as Christian as Christians are Jewish.

Please note, Im honestly curious and not looking for a flame fest of the Mormon faith.

Im not really sure how your definition excludes him considering the Atonement of Jesus Christ is the center of the Mormon faith.

 

[Avatar4321]

Mormons fail to meet the basic tenant of Christianity. That Jesus and God are one and the same. In fact the Mormons are a little like muslims in recognizing Jesus as a prophet but not the grand cahuna.

True, the Mormons believe in the resurrection but there is no distinction there between the resurrection of Jesus and the resurrection that all (of the mormon faith) shall receive.

Both you and Jesus get your own planet.

You've never actually read the Book of Mormon, have you?

 

[Avatar4321]

It's a tad more complex than that. But if you want to find a stick to beat up the Mormons because one of them is running against your messiah, have at it. I'd rather have Mitt the Mormon than Obama whose followers think he's god.

WTF are you talking about? I admit that I was curious about the Mormon faith when I started hearing preachers on TV denouncing Mitt as not being a Christian, but I am by no means "beating up Mormons". As my OP says, I have a friend who is Mormon, I dont in any way shape or form dislike Mormons.

Honestly, it sounds like you would like everyone to not ask questions because of Romney. Im just curious as to peoples opinions, if you would like to expand of "its more complex" or add anything of substance to the thread, Id love to read it.

You should be careful about letting anyone tell you what a religion believes or is.

To find out about mormonism, wait for Avatar or Truthspeaker to tell you.

Come to think about it, There is a whole thread about what Mormon believes on this board. I forgot the title, so I guess you have to check for Truthspeakers posts to find it.

Unfortunately, that thread is essentially dead from the trolling. I'd love to have a serious discussion about Mormonism. Might have to do it in the clean zone one of these days.

 

[Avatar4321]

Mormonism is usually consistent from temple to temple. They are usually very devoted, there are some that aren't so nice.

Unfortunately, there are people like that everywhere. I wish people would live the Gospel and be kind. Personally, i need a little more refinement too.

 

[Avatar4321]

By your definition, as stated above, Mormons are Christians. Mormons believe that Christ is their Lord and Savior.

Only to a degree.

That's news to me considering this is the entire purpose of the Book of Mormon:

An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi

Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile—Written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of prophecy and of revelation—Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed—To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof—Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile—The interpretation thereof by the gift of God.

An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

Translated by Joseph Smith, Jun.

So we have a new volume of scripture to convince the world that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, our Lord and Savior, but we only believe that to a point? At what point is Christ not my Lord and Savior? I'm curious. I just dont understand your statement here.

 

[Avatar4321]

Do you consider Mormons to be Christians? How do you define a Christian.

Im asking because, I recently talked with a friend of mine, who is Mormon about his faith and while he calls himself a Christian, he didnt fit MY personal definition of a Christian, which is someone who believes Christ is our lord and savior. I would say, to me, he is as Christian as Christians are Jewish.

Please note, Im honestly curious and not looking for a flame fest of the Mormon faith.

Clearly, you are a troll and not a good friend. Because Mormons do believe in Christ as the Savior and I have no doubt that you're "friend" explained that in no uncertain terms.

Not seeing how she is a troll. There are some people who have crazy ideas of what Mormons believe. Unfortunately, some of those people are Mormon. I see no reason not to treat this as an honest question.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Do you consider Mormons to be Christians? How do you define a Christian.

Im asking because, I recently talked with a friend of mine, who is Mormon about his faith and while he calls himself a Christian, he didnt fit MY personal definition of a Christian, which is someone who believes Christ is our lord and savior. I would say, to me, he is as Christian as Christians are Jewish.

Please note, Im honestly curious and not looking for a flame fest of the Mormon faith.

Clearly, you are a troll and not a good friend. Because Mormons do believe in Christ as the Savior and I have no doubt that you're "friend" explained that in no uncertain terms.

Not seeing how she is a troll. There are some people who have crazy ideas of what Mormons believe. Unfortunately, some of those people are Mormon. I see no reason not to treat this as an honest question.

His stated definition matched up exactly with what Mormons believe. He either was trolling or not comprehending something. Upon further discussion; probably not trolling, but I'm used to the former.

 

[there4eyeM]

"You are correct, it would be arrogant to proclaim someone not Christian if thats how they identify..."

Not necessarily. If one understands the tenets of a religion and observes another who, despite claiming to adhere clearly does not, it is only recognition to identify the inappropriate claim.

Take Northern Ireland for example, where everyone said Christians were (are?) fighting Christians. That is absurd, an oxymoron! At least someone in the mix is not Christian, and probably both.

 

[edthecynic]

Born Again Christians for the most part do not consider Mormons or Catholics to be Christians. The exception being when they want to claim that 85.7% of the US are Christian, then suddenly and temporarily they are Christian.

Here is a detailed explanation why they are not Christians from Christian apologists themselves.

Is Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is, God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines, and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian.

A Comparison Between Christian Doctrine and Mormon Doctrine|Mormonism Does Not Agree with the Bible | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Following is a comparison between Christian doctrine and Mormon doctrine. It will become very obvious that Mormonism does not agree with the Bible. In fact, Mormonism has simply used the same words found in Christianity and redefined them. But with a proper understanding of what Mormonism really teaches, you will be able to see past those definitions into the real differences between Christianity and Mormonism.
The difference is the difference between eternal life and damnation.

 

[Ariux]

By your definition, as stated above, Mormons are Christians. Mormons believe that Christ is their Lord and Savior.

Only to a degree.

That's news to me considering this is the entire purpose of the Book of Mormon:

From the LDS statement of faith: "3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel." Christians believe "saved by faith." Christianity teaches that the law condemns, not saves.

And, of course, there's that thing about Mormons not believing in God. They use the word God and other Christian terms, but with other meanings.

Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile—Written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of prophecy and of revelation—Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed—To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof—Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile—The interpretation thereof by the gift of God.

An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.

Translated by Joseph Smith, Jun.

So we have a new volume of scripture to convince the world that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, our Lord and Savior, but we only believe that to a point? At what point is Christ not my Lord and Savior? I'm curious. I just dont understand your statement here.[/QUOTE]

Even Muslims believe Jesus is Christ, but no one calls the Christians. Muslims are twice as Christian as Mormons, by doctrine.