A question for some on the Left

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    If you believe illegals have a right to labour and perform work for what payment they might honestly earn- without the government trying to stopping them as it's between the labourer(s) and the capitalist(s)... why don't you recognize that same right when it comes to citizens- after all, don't minimum wage laws violate that very principle?
     
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    No because nobody with half a brain believes that immigrants are going to get anything close to minimum wage.

    Mimimum wage ensures that Americans AREN'T paid what immigrants get.
     
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    So, basically your complaint is that they're scabs?

    So you oppose letting illegals work if they're less greedy than you- but you're cool with it if they join the Union and demand a pay raise whenever you do?
     
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    If you'd like to actually have his conversation with ME, not just hear yourself respond to things I did not say, then perhaps you should debate what I have said.

    Try again.
     
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    America makes billions off of undocumented low cost labor. We will never do anything about illegals as long as there is money to be made.

    Money is also made by keeping the minimum wage artificailly low
     
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    BINGO !!!

    We have a winner.
     
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    So we're back to the 'scabs' argument?
     
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    artificially low?...what in the heck does that mean?
     
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    Its called ECONOMIC REALITY. Simple supply & demand for labor. If you are too idealistic to get that concept, you need to study reality more closely.
     
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    Exactly. They're competing with you on the supply side of the labour market.

    You don't like that they can put-compete you, and so you want to put a top to it.

    exactly the same as the unions the Right loves to complain about


    you're making the same complaint (they'll work for less)

    and you want the same thing (don't let them work, so you can demand more money) for the same reason (it's your 'right' to get paid more than you can demand n the free labour market)
     

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