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. The forces have to be stabilized, because we can't allow something that was created out of social experimentation to weaken the forces, and especially the leadership. The fact that this has risen to the top screams about change is needed, and as bad as it has become the change needs to be dramatic... Well they would just have to hide it then, because the rules would be enforced. There wouldn't be no dam libs grandstanding in a hearing trying to suggest that the Marine corps commanders are at fault for the bullcrap that's for sure.. It is why changes need to be implemented in light of all this stuff you speak of. Maybe a restriction of such materials aboard the ship or on base just like their doing in most places with ciggerett smoking now. Could put up signs that read sex restricted area or no sex or sexual content allowed. Hmmm.'cept, of course, Playboy and like magazines aren't sold on military bases.
Even if they aren't sold in the PX, they will still get dirty pictures to look at.
Ever been to Italy or France? If you ever go, check out some of the magazines they are selling in the newstands there. Some of them make Hustler look like Hi Lites.
And then, there is the fact that there are VCRs and DVD players all over the ship, many people have their own personal one, and with that, some of them even have a porn stash. There was a dude in my squadron named Johnny who was the squadron porn king. He had a cruise box full of dirty tapes. And, for those of you who don't know how big a cruise box is, they are about 3 ft, by 2 ft, by 2 ft. He even had a copy of the chick that was a sportscaster who made a dirty movie with her boyfriend where she was fisted.
Nope, sorry, but the sex drive is too strong in young adults and they will ALWAYS find a way to get porn. I know I did when I was in my 20's.
You have obviously never been onboard a ship, nor do you know very many Sailors, or if you do, you don't talk to them very much because otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid suggestion.
Chapter 9 of the Naval Officer's Handbook (and yea, it was there in 1992 when I got my hands on one), it says (and I quote), "Enlisted men are sly cunning and devious and bear considerable watching." Most enlisted people I knew lived up to that charge, I know I did.
They can do inspections all they want, but there are WAY too many places to hide stuff on a ship. And then there is the fact that like minded groups will get together to share various interests.
Nope, your suggestions will never work or even could be implemented.
Good order and discipline starts at the top dude. I know I was responsible for the actions of EVERYONE in my shop when I ran the MEPS at Amarillo. If they screwed up, I also caught an ass chewing because I was the leader.
And, if they would simply do investigations when charges are brought up against someone rather than hiding them in the good old boy network, there would be a reduction in incidents. One of the reasons it is happening today is the low incidence of investigations and the people who do it know there is a very little chance of being held accountable.
You don't need to change the military, just change the attitudes of the old war horses that are still there and tell them to accept that women are serving alongside men and to get over it.
I mean.................really.....................how often do you hear of this happening in a corporation or business? Not very often, because not only is there training for sexual harassment, but businesses know they need to take those matters seriously when they happen.
The military? From all the news stories that I've seen and read on this appear to be less concerned than private businesses.
. Yes.. Separate the services... End of story.. Are you talking about individuals or the institution ? Make up your mind already. If there is a huge problem, then it needs a huge solution, and liberals screaming at generals in a kangaroo court isn't the solution.Marines hold themselves to a higher standard ..... Semper Fi. Neanderthal describes a man who is trained to kill in which to the libs is a PRIMITIVE MAN until they need someone to protect them with that very thing, then they love their Marines.How else would you describe men who betray the trust of the USMC?
I could think of a lot worse
Betraying a fellow marine does not meet that standard
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There are obviously institutional issues with how service members treat their female counterparts. Sexual Harassment training does not seem to be working. Harsher measures need to be taken to end the "boys will be boys" mentality
Yes, harsh, specific actions need to be taken against service members who abuse females
. No one is suggesting that the women leave the military, but rather to re-arrange the military to make it work for all, and to stop these dam problems. If that means we need to separate the forces again, then so be it.Women have had active roles in the military since the 70s. Forcing the military into a social engineering nightmare has weakened the forces.No....the men engaged in rape, harassment and intimidation are weakening the forces. And are entangled in constant scandal that is weakening the forces. Now it's not to blame them or the men, but more so to blame the set up in which has created the problems.We have gone through all this for the last 30 years
Women are in the Military, they are meeting high standards and achieving high rank
They are here, they serve their country, they do a good job
Get used to it
. Not create male and female units, but rather train separately in the beginning, and house separately, feed separately etc. Once this is the case again if it isn't now, then respect training could also be a part of the courses for both sides without the distractions. Before I get to far out there, where exactly is the problem coming from ? How is it developing, and at what level within the whole process of training all the way up to assignment to the unit does the problem begin , and where does the changes need to happen ? It can be done.Here's the deal: you can create male and female units but once the duty day is over in most cases they're going to go home to their spouse or boyfriend/girlfriend, where those pictures are most likely to be taken. It's not like you have the boys and the girls getting naked together at work, this stuff happens off duty at home, wherever home is. IOW, problem not solved.
Women bring a different skillset to police work. They are more likely to deescallate a situation than to provoke oneWe have gone through all this for the last 30 years. Whatever it takes.... Due to political correctness and social engineering run amuck, uh what do you want, otherwise to expose them to predatory males because of political agenda's ?In what way?
Separate females from predatory males?
What I would want is for female military members to be able to continue with their careers without rape, sexual harassment and intimidation
The answer is not to separate those females from the rest of the armed forces but to separate those who can't get used to females in the military after decades of integration
I have no problem with women training with the men but it is foolish to think that hormones will never come into play. Sometimes there is a woman that can keep up with the training although it is rare. What I am afraid of is that the standards of training will be lowered to allow the women to make the cut. I once saw a sign posted at one of the bases that I was stationed and it read: "Never let it be said that any Marine died from lack of training". If standards are lowered then that can not be said and the sign should be removed.
Women are in the Military, they are meeting high standards and achieving high rank
When I was in the Marines women were trained separately. When I became a State Trooper women were not allowed to join. The training we received was close to that I received in Marines. A few years later women were allowed to become Troopers and the training was considerably relaxed to allow them to make it through. I do not have a problem with women being Troopers but it was wrong to ease the training for them.
Bull shitSo it looks like you have been a member of the forum for 9 years, and still you have no avatar, and you only post once every 3 days.
You must be on a lot of other websites then.I am a farmer now and just don't spend that much time on the computer.So it looks like you have been a member of the forum for 9 years, and still you have no avatar, and you only post once every 3 days.
You must be on a lot of other websites then.
/---- A lib at OWS on TV said that we don't need farmers because we can get all the food we need at the supermarket . True story
. WRONG !!! Send a woman cop out on the beat with no back up, and let her attempt to do her job as a man has done many times in the same situations, because it doesn't work. It has gotten the women into some nasty situations when trying to execute or even de-escalate a situation as you say. Now there is appropriate and great things women can do for the forces, but front line work isn't one of them imho.Women bring a different skillset to police work. They are more likely to deescallate a situation than to provoke oneWe have gone through all this for the last 30 years. Whatever it takes.... Due to political correctness and social engineering run amuck, uh what do you want, otherwise to expose them to predatory males because of political agenda's ?
What I would want is for female military members to be able to continue with their careers without rape, sexual harassment and intimidation
The answer is not to separate those females from the rest of the armed forces but to separate those who can't get used to females in the military after decades of integration
I have no problem with women training with the men but it is foolish to think that hormones will never come into play. Sometimes there is a woman that can keep up with the training although it is rare. What I am afraid of is that the standards of training will be lowered to allow the women to make the cut. I once saw a sign posted at one of the bases that I was stationed and it read: "Never let it be said that any Marine died from lack of training". If standards are lowered then that can not be said and the sign should be removed.
Women are in the Military, they are meeting high standards and achieving high rank
When I was in the Marines women were trained separately. When I became a State Trooper women were not allowed to join. The training we received was close to that I received in Marines. A few years later women were allowed to become Troopers and the training was considerably relaxed to allow them to make it through. I do not have a problem with women being Troopers but it was wrong to ease the training for them.
should we require a "license" for military women to have children?
Who could not see problems from the Obama Administration pushing the Marine Corps into the training of women and men together? Men are normal when they wish to be with a woman sexually and enjoy looking at them. Women are normal that wish to be with men. These individuals are in good physical shape so you would expect the desire to be even more severe than the fat kids in college or the individuals in every work place in America. If you don't want nude photos of yourself out there don't put them on the internet. I doubt very seriously that anyone sneaked into the women's shower and took the pictures
Misogyny may be normal for Marines (except all those fine looking gay ones), but apparently maturity isn't.
Every one involved should get booted out with BCD's.
Not just the Marines, but most young men in or out of the military. There's a reason why Playboy and other like magazines have been in business for so long, and it ain't the fascinating articles and interviews.
'cept, of course, Playboy and like magazines aren't sold on military bases.
Even if they aren't sold in the PX, they will still get dirty pictures to look at.
Ever been to Italy or France? If you ever go, check out some of the magazines they are selling in the newstands there. Some of them make Hustler look like Hi Lites.
And then, there is the fact that there are VCRs and DVD players all over the ship, many people have their own personal one, and with that, some of them even have a porn stash. There was a dude in my squadron named Johnny who was the squadron porn king. He had a cruise box full of dirty tapes. And, for those of you who don't know how big a cruise box is, they are about 3 ft, by 2 ft, by 2 ft. He even had a copy of the chick that was a sportscaster who made a dirty movie with her boyfriend where she was fisted.
Nope, sorry, but the sex drive is too strong in young adults and they will ALWAYS find a way to get porn. I know I did when I was in my 20's.
. The forces have to be stabilized, because we can't allow something that was created out of social experimentation to weaken the forces, and especially the leadership. The fact that this has risen to the top screams about change is needed, and as bad as it has become the change needs to be dramatic... Well they would just have to hide it then, because the rules would be enforced. There wouldn't be no dam libs grandstanding in a hearing trying to suggest that the Marine corps commanders are at fault for the bullcrap that's for sure.. It is why changes need to be implemented in light of all this stuff you speak of. Maybe a restriction of such materials aboard the ship or on base just like their doing in most places with ciggerett smoking now. Could put up signs that read sex restricted area or no sex or sexual content allowed. Hmmm.Even if they aren't sold in the PX, they will still get dirty pictures to look at.
Ever been to Italy or France? If you ever go, check out some of the magazines they are selling in the newstands there. Some of them make Hustler look like Hi Lites.
And then, there is the fact that there are VCRs and DVD players all over the ship, many people have their own personal one, and with that, some of them even have a porn stash. There was a dude in my squadron named Johnny who was the squadron porn king. He had a cruise box full of dirty tapes. And, for those of you who don't know how big a cruise box is, they are about 3 ft, by 2 ft, by 2 ft. He even had a copy of the chick that was a sportscaster who made a dirty movie with her boyfriend where she was fisted.
Nope, sorry, but the sex drive is too strong in young adults and they will ALWAYS find a way to get porn. I know I did when I was in my 20's.
You have obviously never been onboard a ship, nor do you know very many Sailors, or if you do, you don't talk to them very much because otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid suggestion.
Chapter 9 of the Naval Officer's Handbook (and yea, it was there in 1992 when I got my hands on one), it says (and I quote), "Enlisted men are sly cunning and devious and bear considerable watching." Most enlisted people I knew lived up to that charge, I know I did.
They can do inspections all they want, but there are WAY too many places to hide stuff on a ship. And then there is the fact that like minded groups will get together to share various interests.
Nope, your suggestions will never work or even could be implemented.
Good order and discipline starts at the top dude. I know I was responsible for the actions of EVERYONE in my shop when I ran the MEPS at Amarillo. If they screwed up, I also caught an ass chewing because I was the leader.
And, if they would simply do investigations when charges are brought up against someone rather than hiding them in the good old boy network, there would be a reduction in incidents. One of the reasons it is happening today is the low incidence of investigations and the people who do it know there is a very little chance of being held accountable.
You don't need to change the military, just change the attitudes of the old war horses that are still there and tell them to accept that women are serving alongside men and to get over it.
I mean.................really.....................how often do you hear of this happening in a corporation or business? Not very often, because not only is there training for sexual harassment, but businesses know they need to take those matters seriously when they happen.
The military? From all the news stories that I've seen and read on this appear to be less concerned than private businesses.
Women have survived on the beat for decades. It is no longer a question of them being able to do the job. WRONG !!! Send a woman cop out on the beat with no back up, and let her attempt to do her job as a man has done many times in the same situations, because it doesn't work. It has gotten the women into some nasty situations when trying to execute or even de-escalate a situation as you say. Now there is appropriate and great things women can do for the forces, but front line work isn't one of them imho.Women bring a different skillset to police work. They are more likely to deescallate a situation than to provoke oneWe have gone through all this for the last 30 yearsWhat I would want is for female military members to be able to continue with their careers without rape, sexual harassment and intimidation
The answer is not to separate those females from the rest of the armed forces but to separate those who can't get used to females in the military after decades of integration
I have no problem with women training with the men but it is foolish to think that hormones will never come into play. Sometimes there is a woman that can keep up with the training although it is rare. What I am afraid of is that the standards of training will be lowered to allow the women to make the cut. I once saw a sign posted at one of the bases that I was stationed and it read: "Never let it be said that any Marine died from lack of training". If standards are lowered then that can not be said and the sign should be removed.
Women are in the Military, they are meeting high standards and achieving high rank
When I was in the Marines women were trained separately. When I became a State Trooper women were not allowed to join. The training we received was close to that I received in Marines. A few years later women were allowed to become Troopers and the training was considerably relaxed to allow them to make it through. I do not have a problem with women being Troopers but it was wrong to ease the training for them.
That has not been my experience.Women bring a different skillset to police work. They are more likely to deescallate a situation than to provoke oneWe have gone through all this for the last 30 years. Whatever it takes.... Due to political correctness and social engineering run amuck, uh what do you want, otherwise to expose them to predatory males because of political agenda's ?
What I would want is for female military members to be able to continue with their careers without rape, sexual harassment and intimidation
The answer is not to separate those females from the rest of the armed forces but to separate those who can't get used to females in the military after decades of integration
I have no problem with women training with the men but it is foolish to think that hormones will never come into play. Sometimes there is a woman that can keep up with the training although it is rare. What I am afraid of is that the standards of training will be lowered to allow the women to make the cut. I once saw a sign posted at one of the bases that I was stationed and it read: "Never let it be said that any Marine died from lack of training". If standards are lowered then that can not be said and the sign should be removed.
Women are in the Military, they are meeting high standards and achieving high rank
When I was in the Marines women were trained separately. When I became a State Trooper women were not allowed to join. The training we received was close to that I received in Marines. A few years later women were allowed to become Troopers and the training was considerably relaxed to allow them to make it through. I do not have a problem with women being Troopers but it was wrong to ease the training for them.
. Be truthful about it... They are always backed up, and they can't go into all situations without that back up because it's just to dangerous for a women. The truth is tough, but it's real.Women have survived on the beat for decades. It is no longer a question of them being able to do the job. WRONG !!! Send a woman cop out on the beat with no back up, and let her attempt to do her job as a man has done many times in the same situations, because it doesn't work. It has gotten the women into some nasty situations when trying to execute or even de-escalate a situation as you say. Now there is appropriate and great things women can do for the forces, but front line work isn't one of them imho.Women bring a different skillset to police work. They are more likely to deescallate a situation than to provoke oneWe have gone through all this for the last 30 yearsI have no problem with women training with the men but it is foolish to think that hormones will never come into play. Sometimes there is a woman that can keep up with the training although it is rare. What I am afraid of is that the standards of training will be lowered to allow the women to make the cut. I once saw a sign posted at one of the bases that I was stationed and it read: "Never let it be said that any Marine died from lack of training". If standards are lowered then that can not be said and the sign should be removed.
Women are in the Military, they are meeting high standards and achieving high rank
When I was in the Marines women were trained separately. When I became a State Trooper women were not allowed to join. The training we received was close to that I received in Marines. A few years later women were allowed to become Troopers and the training was considerably relaxed to allow them to make it through. I do not have a problem with women being Troopers but it was wrong to ease the training for them.
What's with the personal attack??? Who sez you get to decide who's racist and announce it like your say so matters?Sez another racist using John Wayne as an avatar...
What's with the personal attack??? Who sez you get to decide who's racist and announce it like your say so matters?Sez another racist using John Wayne as an avatar...
I don't think women should be in combat or combat related positions.Who could not see problems from the Obama Administration pushing the Marine Corps into the training of women and men together? Men are normal when they wish to be with a woman sexually and enjoy looking at them. Women are normal that wish to be with men. These individuals are in good physical shape so you would expect the desire to be even more severe than the fat kids in college or the individuals in every work place in America. If you don't want nude photos of yourself out there don't put them on the internet. I doubt very seriously that anyone sneaked into the women's shower and took the pictures
why can't women simply be honest with us, and merely state, they want to help us with our, "endurance and stamina"; every chance they get?Tailhook Part II
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Ahem, you do know that the program started during Reagan?
