Bull Ring A Human Fetus is a Child; Chuz Life vs JoeB131

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  1. Chuz Life
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    I (Chuz Life) herby challenge USMB member JoeB131 to a One on One debate on the subject of whether or not a human being in the fetal stage of their life, growth and development is a "child."

    JoeB131 If you are willing to accept this debate, answer with a response and let's discuss and agree on the format, judges and moderation to be used.

    This thread is in the Bull Ring and posts from anyone other than a mod, myself or JoeB131 will be reported and then asked to be removed.

    If other members wish to discuss this debate, please do so in the discussion threadl JoeB131, I'm calling you out on your claim that a human fetus is NOT a Child!
     
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    You are perfectly free to think it's a child.
    I'm perfectly free to think it isn't.

    Our opinions don't really matter, since neither of us has a uterus.

    See, that was easy.
     
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    This is the Bull Ring! JoeB131 and Chuz Life are the ONLY 2 members that are to post in this thread. Read the first post!
     
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    This not a debate about beliefs.

    This is a debate about facts.

    When you claim (as you have in numerous posts) that a human fetus is not a child or not a person, you are not proclaiming it as your opinion or belief.

    You have been TRYING to pass it off as fact.

    So, let's put our opinions and beliefs aside and debate the facts.
     
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    Okay, we don't charge abortions as murder. (We didn't even do this when abortion was illegal)

    We don't investigate miscarriages as potential homicides. We'd have a lot of busy cops if we did.

    We don't list a person's beginning of life as his conception day, we list it as his birth day.

    So you can go on with all the lame Nazi analogies or talk about genetics that you want, but the reality is, we've never treated fetuses as people and it would be kind of legal chaos if we did.

    It would literally mean a fetus would have to have more rights than the woman it is inside.
     
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    Let's expand on that. Fetuses are now people. This means that women can be charged with a crime when they smoke or drink during a pregnancy, because that effects fetal development. heck, you can charge her with a crime for not eating the right kind of foods.

    It means you can COMPEL a woman to have her rapist's baby. After all, we don't execute people for crimes their parents commit.

    10% of pregnancies end in miscarriages. Now that fetuses are "people', that means every last one of them has to be treated like a potential homicide. (On top of the hundreds of thousands of abortions people will have no matter what your laws say). Throw medical privacy out the window, your confidential medical records are now evidence!
     
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    JoeB131, it looks like you are trying to argue that a child is not a child, unless and until the recognition of them as a child is not problematic to others.

    Is that actually the basis for your claim?
     
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    3000 years of western law.

    Accepted practices of medical professionals.

    Common sense.
     
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    So. . .

    1. Laws are Not infallible and yours is an appeal to tradition

    2. Not even close to being completely accepted

    3. Common sense does not allow for a total rejection of scientific facts.
     
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    Guy, you don't have a "scientific fact", you have an appeal to emotion...

    Fetuses aren't viable.

    We don't count a person's life starting the day he was conceived, we count it the day he was born.

    But as I've said many times, unless you have a uterus, what you think doesn't matter all that much.
     
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