This thread is started to continue from a post between Baz Ares and Chuz Life Political Cartoon that doesn't really belong under "political cartoons" where I found it. My challenge to both BA and CL: Can we agree to respect SEPARATE definitions between "physical and legal status" vs. SPIRITUAL faith-based or internal definitions in both these cases below: * in prolife cases, people don't agree on the legal definition of when life begins for a person: - one side argues spiritually it begins before birth, but this is FAITH BASED when a person's soul or consciousness enters the body - the other side demands adherence to purely SECULAR legal definition of physical birth to recognize human rights and will * in LGBT cases, people don't agree on the legal definition of gender or orientation for person's rights - one side demands adherence to purely SECULAR SCIENTIFIC definitions of gender by birth and genetics - the other side argues to recognize INTERNAL faith based identity or orientation regardless of physical genes My challenge to Baz Ares and Chuz Life Can we settle this by agreeing to treat these cases equally - agree to SEPARATE the physical from the faith based definitions and not impose or require one in place of the other - agree to either SEPARATE terms of policies where both sides don't agree on the spiritual/faith based part of these arguments, and allows BOTH SIDES to have their OWN BELIEFS without imposing on the other side that disagrees - find where both sides agree, and stick to that for secular policies, instead of letting the faith based belief either be established or prohibited by secular laws. That's my challenge to both of you. Can you answer and explain how you would go about treating both beliefs equally, or if you still believe in projecting your beliefs in one case then protesting when other people do that in the other case. Is that fair to impose beliefs in either case on people who disagree and believe differently? What approach seems most fair to you so all people are respected equally regardless of our diverse beliefs on these issues above? Thank you!