A Case in Point On Mis-Labeling Political Ideologies

[Edgetho]

I've been trying to get this point across in here and not doing very well.

Too many people, ESPECIALLY dims, mis-label or (more accurately) just don't understand the meanings of political words.

This person does a better job explaining it than I do. Of course, a lot of people do a better job explaining things than I do.....

That's why I link so many outside sources

But I'm tired of dims trying to corner the market on words. It's time we stood up and took control of the language.

Fundamental Concepts Me vs We Weirddave

Fundamental Concepts – Me vs We [Weirddave]
—Open Blogger
Lets take a moment to consider political labels. All too often, they are used as simple pejoratives, not the least by me. If we're talking and I tell you “You're so progressive!”, chances are it isn't a complement. Progressive, Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, Communist, Fascist, Totalitarian, Royalist (haven't heard that one in a while), Maoist, Theocratic...each one of these terms has a specific meaning, but how do they all fit together in the big picture?



It's really not that hard, if you just visualize a continuum. On the far left you put the label “Collectivist”. On the far right, “Individualist”. Alternately you could label the right side “Freedom” and the left side “Order”. Or “Liberty” and “Control”. Once we have constructed this graph, what does it tell us?

Well, the first thing it does is give us a handy way to slot how various philosophies relate to one another. Reaching into our political hat (please don't reach into The Political Hat, no matter what sock he's posting under. He's a human being, reaching into him would be bloody) we pull out Communism and Democracy. Since Communism is collectivist by definition, it goes to the left of Democracy. Draw another philosophy: Anarchy. That goes all the way to the right. Socialism. Since Socialism is a transitional system from Democracy to Communism, it goes to the left of Democracy and to the right of Communism. Fascism. Just barely to the right of Communism (and only because it at least allows the illusion of private enterprise, making it a tiny bit less collectivist.) and left of Socialism. And so on. Once everything is in it's place, what use is it?

 

[regent]

College book stores have a number of books on political ideologies and you might try the scholarly approach.

 

[Edgetho]

College book stores have a number of books on political ideologies and you might try the scholarly approach.

'Scholars' are the problem, not the solution.

 

[JoeB131]

College book stores have a number of books on political ideologies and you might try the scholarly approach.

Edgie don't have no use for no books. He listens to Hate Radio, who tells him all about Dimocrap scum. That and the voices in his head.

 

[Moonglow]

College book stores have a number of books on political ideologies and you might try the scholarly approach.

College book stores have a number of books on political ideologies and you might try the scholarly approach.

Edgie don't have no use for no books. He listens to Hate Radio, who tells him all about Dimocrap scum. That and the voices in his head.

Some dogs and pony's are too old to learn new tricks....

 

[Nutz]

Let's use blogs for definitions. (I didn't even read the post...but I am betting this blogger does nothing more than reaffirm the OP's opinion outside of anything 'scholarly'.

 

[Edgetho]

So, I guess none of you have anything to say about the actual piece?

Could that be because none of you actually read it?

Like the other ignorant dimocrap scumbag who was completely unaware of Hitlery's embarrassing past defense of a child rapist and the tactics the scum-sucking whore used -- You not only remain ignorant -- You WANT to remain ignorant. You CHOOSE to remain ignorant.

But that's okay. I expect nothing but ignorance and stupidity from scum of the earth dimocraps.

But that's okay, too. This was posted for the benefit of people with an IQ -- i.e. NOT dimocraps.

 

[Nutz]

So, I guess none of you have anything to say about the actual piece?

Could that be because none of you actually read it?

Like the other ignorant dimocrap scumbag who was completely unaware of Hitlery's embarrassing past defense of a child rapist and the tactics the scum-sucking whore used -- You not only remain ignorant -- You WANT to remain ignorant. You CHOOSE to remain ignorant.

But that's okay. I expect nothing but ignorance and stupidity from scum of the earth dimocraps.

But that's okay, too. This was posted for the benefit of people with an IQ -- i.e. NOT dimocraps.

You used a blog as a definitive source. That makes YOU and idiot. I wonder, do you even know the difference between fact and opinion. Perhaps you should be researching those definitions, idiot.

 

[occupied]

I lost 10 IQ points just reading that drivel, ANY deeply held political ideology can be used as a basis for tyranny, no exceptions.

 

[Edgetho]

You used a blog as a definitive source. That makes YOU and idiot. I wonder, do you even know the difference between fact and opinion. Perhaps you should be researching those definitions, idiot.

You are such a lying scumbag.

Where did I say anything about any kind of 'definitive source'?

I even mentioned that it was opinion and the very last thing written in the post was "YMMV"

Know what that means, lying dirtbag?

It means, "Your Mileage May Vary"

IOW (in other words) it means it's opinion.

dimocraps are the scum of the earth

i HATE dimocraps.

 

[JoeB131]

So, I guess none of you have anything to say about the actual piece?

Could that be because none of you actually read it?

Like the other ignorant dimocrap scumbag who was completely unaware of Hitlery's embarrassing past defense of a child rapist and the tactics the scum-sucking whore used -- You not only remain ignorant -- You WANT to remain ignorant. You CHOOSE to remain ignorant.

Uh, Hillary was a defense lawyer, that was her job.

No, there's really nothing to be said other than you seriously need help. Posting here is not helping your sanity issues.

 

[Edgetho]

Uh, Hillary was a defense lawyer, that was her job.

Lying again, huh Joe?

Show me where it says that a Public Defender is supposed to attack a 12 year old girl as a defense for child rape?

Hillary Clinton and her defense of an accused child rapist Is it a big deal and will the media cover it WashingtonExaminer.com

Clinton accused the girl of having a "tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,"the documents obtained by the Beacon show.

“I have also been told by an expert in child psychology that children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents in disorganized families, such as the complainant’s, are even more prone to exaggerate behavior,” Clinton said.

She added that the girl had "in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body" and that the girl "exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way."

If you can't, then accept the fact that we all know you are a lying piece of filth.

And you are.

You're as bad as a scum-sucking filthy lawyer who LAUGHS at re-telling the story of how she got a CHILD RAPIST off the hook and how the scrunt SHOUTED at a little girl --

"I'm out of order? You're out of order!" the lawyer shouted at the 12-year-old girl.

Hillary Clinton LAUGHS as she recalls how she helped child rapist walk free Daily Mail Online

You're a scumbag.

But..... You're a dimocrap so that's a given.

 

[hipeter924]

Collectivism means different things to different things to different people.

To George Orwell, it was control of society by a group of people/institutions that forced their ideological beliefs on others, without regard for the coercive or violent methods used to achieve their goals.

To Ayn Rand, it was essentially state interference/religious indoctrination to the determent of economic and technological advancement. To expand further she believed that human nature was individualist, and attempting a collective mentality would eventually destroy humanity.

Anarchist-Communists tend to view collectivism as not a dirty word, and allocate its use to describe collective action through voluntary choice of the community and democratic decision making.

If you want to simply the discussion, then it comes down to whether you accept one or more of the following:
A) Institutions whatever their form, are detrimental and destructive to individual thought, no matter how good intentions might be.
B) Government interference in the economic system or on social issues, is tantamount to propaganda and manipulation of society to the political beliefs or values of those who run it.
C) Corporations manipulate the masses or encourage them to follow behaviors to benefit of those corporations.
D) Ideological groups, no matter their intentions, can be corrosive to individual rights as they create an us vs them mentality in pushing their agenda.

 

[G.T.]

I've been trying to get this point across in here and not doing very well.

Too many people, ESPECIALLY dims, mis-label or (more accurately) just don't understand the meanings of political words.

This person does a better job explaining it than I do. Of course, a lot of people do a better job explaining things than I do.....

That's why I link so many outside sources

But I'm tired of dims trying to corner the market on words. It's time we stood up and took control of the language.

Fundamental Concepts Me vs We Weirddave

Fundamental Concepts – Me vs We [Weirddave]
—Open Blogger
Lets take a moment to consider political labels. All too often, they are used as simple pejoratives, not the least by me. If we're talking and I tell you “You're so progressive!”, chances are it isn't a complement. Progressive, Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, Communist, Fascist, Totalitarian, Royalist (haven't heard that one in a while), Maoist, Theocratic...each one of these terms has a specific meaning, but how do they all fit together in the big picture?



It's really not that hard, if you just visualize a continuum. On the far left you put the label “Collectivist”. On the far right, “Individualist”. Alternately you could label the right side “Freedom” and the left side “Order”. Or “Liberty” and “Control”. Once we have constructed this graph, what does it tell us?

Well, the first thing it does is give us a handy way to slot how various philosophies relate to one another. Reaching into our political hat (please don't reach into The Political Hat, no matter what sock he's posting under. He's a human being, reaching into him would be bloody) we pull out Communism and Democracy. Since Communism is collectivist by definition, it goes to the left of Democracy. Draw another philosophy: Anarchy. That goes all the way to the right. Socialism. Since Socialism is a transitional system from Democracy to Communism, it goes to the left of Democracy and to the right of Communism. Fascism. Just barely to the right of Communism (and only because it at least allows the illusion of private enterprise, making it a tiny bit less collectivist.) and left of Socialism. And so on. Once everything is in it's place, what use is it?

Youre always tired of what dems are doing.

How bout a fuckin hobby, huh? Smug fuck

 

[Nutz]

You used a blog as a definitive source. That makes YOU and idiot. I wonder, do you even know the difference between fact and opinion. Perhaps you should be researching those definitions, idiot.

You are such a lying scumbag.

Where did I say anything about any kind of 'definitive source'?

I even mentioned that it was opinion and the very last thing written in the post was "YMMV"

Know what that means, lying dirtbag?

It means, "Your Mileage May Vary"

IOW (in other words) it means it's opinion.

dimocraps are the scum of the earth

i HATE dimocraps.

I am not a democrat. I am just not a lemming teaper like yourself who believes any nonsense.

 

[G.T.]

Collectivism means different things to different things to different people.

To George Orwell, it was control of society by a group of people/institutions that forced their ideological beliefs on others, without regard for the coercive or violent methods used to achieve their goals.

To Ayn Rand, it was essentially state interference/religious indoctrination to the determent of economic and technological advancement. To expand further she believed that human nature was individualist, and attempting a collective mentality would eventually destroy humanity.

Anarchist-Communists tend to view collectivism as not a dirty word, and allocate its use to describe collective action through voluntary choice of the community and democratic decision making.

If you want to simply the discussion, then it comes down to whether you accept one or more of the following:
A) Institutions whatever their form, are detrimental and destructive to individual thought, no matter how good intentions might be.
B) Government interference in the economic system or on social issues, is tantamount to propaganda and manipulation of society to the political beliefs or values of those who run it.
C) Corporations manipulate the masses or encourage them to follow behaviors to benefit of those corporations.
D) Ideological groups, no matter their intentions, can be corrosive to individual rights as they create an us vs them mentality in pushing their agenda.

Religion is the most numerical form of collectivism there is.

 

[JoeB131]

Lying again, huh Joe?

Show me where it says that a Public Defender is supposed to attack a 12 year old girl as a defense for child rape?

Wait a minute. According to the article you posted, she got a plea bargain. Her client went to prison.

More to the point, what she laughed about was her client passed a polygraph when even she thought he was quilty.

Oh, yeah, and the prosecutors lost the evidence. You know, that.

 

[hazlnut]

You used a blog as a definitive source. That makes YOU and idiot. I wonder, do you even know the difference between fact and opinion. Perhaps you should be researching those definitions, idiot.

You are such a lying scumbag.

Where did I say anything about any kind of 'definitive source'?

I even mentioned that it was opinion and the very last thing written in the post was "YMMV"

Know what that means, lying dirtbag?

It means, "Your Mileage May Vary"

IOW (in other words) it means it's opinion.

dimocraps are the scum of the earth

i HATE dimocraps.