A Brief History Of Hatred

Flanders

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Charles Krauthammer hits a few of liberalism’s sacred cows right between their eyes in this Daily Caller video:


I especially enjoyed this:

. . . we put much more emphasis on the individual, on liberty versus equality. There is a reason that in the New York Harbor there’s a Statue of Liberty — it’s not a Statue of Equality.

Emma Lazarus’ sonnet hanging inside Lady Liberty’s pedestal is especially objectionable to me. The New Colossus is a piece of destructive, touchy-feely, excrement that never should have been allowed in the first place. Not only is it a piece of crap it is misleading.

I’ll wager that less than one percent of Americans know that the Statue of Liberty has not a damn thing to do with the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to be free.

I’ll also bet that less than one percent of Americans know Lady Liberty’s true meaning. You can be sure that in the past 80 or 90 years America’s children never learned it in a public school:


Author John T. Cunningham wrote that "The Statue of Liberty was not conceived and sculpted as a symbol of immigration, but it quickly became so as immigrant ships passed under the statue. However, it was Lazarus's poem that permanently stamped on Miss Liberty the role of unofficial greeter of incoming immigrants".

Paul Auster wrote that "Bartholdi's gigantic effigy was originally intended as a monument to the principles of international republicanism, but 'The New Colossus' reinvented the statue's purpose, turning Liberty into a welcoming mother, a symbol of hope to the outcasts and downtrodden of the world".

The New Colossus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2010 Frank Burke was more precise:

Myth No. 1: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses/The wretched refuse of your teeming shore..." Well, not quite. Emma Lazarus's 1883 poem "The New Colossus" -- written in the year the Statue of Liberty was dedicated -- has been taken by many to reflect a true picture of immigration. This is not the case. From the colonial period on, there were standards that immigrants had to meet. Originally addressed at the regional level, then by the states, they were eventually federalized. The immigration stations, such as the one at Ellis Island in New York harbor, were not welcoming centers. They were processing points for the inspection and certification of new arrivals. Individuals with physical or mental problems, or who were known to be criminals in their country of origin, were denied entry. Older or underage family members required sponsorship. All of this was to ensure that the newly arrived immigrants would not be a burden to their new country and could either support themselves or be supported by others.

November 28, 2010
The Dangerous Mythology of Immigration
By Frank Burke

Archived-Articles: The Dangerous Mythology of Immigration

In short: Instead of a monument to republicanism and individual liberty, Lady Liberty has morphed into an invitation to the wretched refuse of the world who come here not to be free, or to work for themselves. Instead, most of them come with their hands out to the welfare state. Here’s the attitude put into words:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHoAuk76fT8&feature=player_detailpage]Obama's Illegal Aunt: "You Have The Obligation to Make Me a Citizen" - YouTube[/ame]​

The chance of removing Lazarus’ plaque today is less than zero. That why I go nuts when liberals object so strenuously to the Ten Commandments appearing on public property, but never a word about removing a piece of crap from one of America’s universally recognized symbols.

In fact, I’ve said it would not be a bad thing if Muslim fundamentalists blew up the Statue of Liberty just so long as that terrible, terrible, concept in Lazarus’ sonnet is also destroyed. Don’t laugh. I’ve run across open-borders advocates on message boards who truly believed the words in Lazarus’ sonnet is the law of the land. I even ran into a few geniuses on message boards who insisted the “tired and poor” crap is in the Constitution and/or the Declaration of Independence. Checking those documents never occurred to them

Just so my remarks are not misunderstood: Remove The New Colossus and there is no one who loves Lady Liberty more than I. Blow it up after the plaque is removed and Americans would be justifiably angry for the right reason.

Fear not dear hearts. I doubt if terrorists want to attack the Statue of Liberty as former CIA director James Woolsey once said:


Statue of Liberty next on hit list?
Ex-CIA chief warns: Get ready for terrorists who make al-Qaida 'look like amateurs'
Published: Published: 02/19/2012 at 10:08 PM
by Drew Zahn

Statue of Liberty next on hit list?

Frankly, terrorists would have to be idiots to destroy a monument that does so much harm to this country.

There is one more important aspect of the Statue of Liberty that needs to be examined. Lady liberty is becoming a symbol for promoting democracy around the world. Unfortunately, symbols that begin life as monuments often come to represent the opposite of their original intent. Lady Liberty standing for democracy is the sickest perversion of all. The Muslim Brotherhood surely knows they can thank democracy’s champions for the Arab Spring.

Returning to Krauthammer

This is where I part company with Mr. K:


During a question-and-answer session, he was asked if he thought President Barack Obama would attempt to hand-pick his successor in order to help guide the country down a path to “socialism.”

Krauthammer began his response by advising against using that term.

“I would just caution you about using the word, ‘socialism,’” Krauthammer said. “The reason is it is too broad a term. It encompasses all kinds of socialism, including the nasty totalitarian examples — the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic, Cuba, Korea.”

“I just would caution you to use the word ‘social democrat’ because that is what he is. … He is not an acolyte of the ‘Communist Manifesto.’ He is in the tradition of the, you know, the quite remarkable and respectable social democrats in Europe. [The] Labor Party, I think, would be a good example, a good counterpart.”

Hussein is not a social democrat. He is a Socialist/Communist. He is most certainly a totalitarian although that word has a way of turning people off. The words Communist and communism also turns people off, while the words Socialist and socialism are more or less acceptable; even harmless in many minds. There is good reason for many Americans thinking socialism is a benign tumor. The American Left spent decades selling the fallacy that socialism is not communism. Lenin stated the truth:

The goal of socialism is communism.

Back it up one step:

Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx

Now this:

The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property. Karl Marx (1818 – 1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820 – 1895)

Krauthammer might be right about not using the term socialism except for one thing. Hussein & Company are determined to abolish private property. Real property, guns, your children, your body parts, your very life. It’s all the same to a Socialist/Communist. The government owns everything.

Next

I cannot put in with Krauthammer’s blueprint for defeating Hussein & Company:


“So I think that is the case we ought to make. We ought to take this task on seriously and to make the ideological, the intellectual argument. And if we do it well, and appeal to the more American individualistic tradition, we will succeed. And that’s the reason for my optimism, which is sort of independent of who the individuals are who present the case on the other side of here. But we simply have to make the case. If we do, we will win.”

In the past century an army of intelligent people made brilliant ideological and intellectual arguments against socialism/communism, yet collectivism spread and continues to spread. I would argue that to defeat Hussein & Company it is essential to hate the practitioner more than the policy.

Krauthammer is saying that logic and persuasive arguments will eventually defeat people who rely on force. In simple terms he must believe that the ballot will beat the bullet. History and rigged elections say otherwise. Socialists/Communists acquire power by force, or the believed threat of violence. They hold onto power the same way. Obviously, more than force is required to beat Socialists/Communists at their own game. They must be hated if they are to beaten.

My argument

Russian Communists did not succeed in overthrowing a form of government; they succeeded in overthrowing the czar’s government because they convinced enough Russians to hate the czar and his entire ruling class. Prior to the Russian Revolutions few Russians sat around discussing political philosophy. Once hatred put faces on oppression it was only a matter of time before the haters succeeded.

Parenthetically, America’s founders did not fight to overthrow a monarchy, yet they, too, hated their oppressors. Colonial Americans fought for independence first. Freedoms and individual liberties came after the war ended. Slavery always comes when totalitarians win.

Hussein is using the method Russian Communists pioneered whenever he preaches class warfare against the wealthy. To defeat Hussein & Company Americans must first accept the fact that Socialists/Communists have been the true ruling class for decades. Hatred will follow acceptance.

Here’s Hussein’s weak spot:

Most Americans do not hate private sector wealthy people as hard as Hussein tries to make it so. Most Americans admire individuals who acquire wealth. Americans do hate the tax dollar wealthy who then support tyrants to increase their own wealth and privileges; i.e., Hussein’s ruling class. The trick is to turn Hussein’s hatred back on himself and his kind.
 
Michele Malkin did a really great column that explores:

The progressive climate of hate: A comprehensive illustrated primer in 8 parts:

More importantly, she basically says “Don’t turn the other cheek.”


I know the touchy-feely argument by heart. Love your enemies. Treat them with respect. Don’t do anything that lowers you to their level, blah, blah, blah.

Being better than my enemies I’m all for turning the other cheek —— AFTER THEY ARE DEFEATED GOOD AND PROPER.
 
A brief history of hatred?

1. It's been around far longer than liberals have.

2. It usually comes from one of two sources. Either a specific incident or series of incidents, or fear. Usually it's the latter.

A couple of comments for Flanders. Fundamentally I agree with you. I myself harbor no resentment of the rich, and tend to have a good deal of contempt for those that do. Looter mentality for the most part. The only point where I would disagree with you is here:

Don’t do anything that lowers you to their level, blah, blah, blah.

I think being above the behavior of those one despises is exactly what keeps one above them. You think the rich and powerful are wasting their time throwing insults at each other on USMB? Doubt it.
 
I think most people know that Communists the world over are full of hatred. Columnist Erik Rush, who was the first one to tie Hussein to hate-filled Jeremiah Wright, puts Communist hatred of America this way:

Part of this has to do with the grandiosity of thinking and innate narcissism on the part of radicals like Obama, lusting for the “glory days” of communism and of those they have long-idolized. Part of it has to do with the hatred they hold for America and its people. They want to punish; in their arrogant and narrow perception of America as an oppressor nation, they want to see America’s children starving (at least for a while), her people diseased, terrorized, and pauperized on a scale dwarfing that of the Great Depression. Only then will citizens be sufficiently pliant; only then can the radicals remove their masks with impunity.

Resurrecting Communism’s Glory Days?
Erik Rush
Saturday, February 2, 2013

Resurrecting Communism?s Glory Days?

The people individual Communists hate must be portrayed as so bad Socialists/Communists are morally justified in hating them; ergo, every Communist sees hatred as the moral high ground. In addition, Communists realized that anger, real or pretended, is the perfect cover for hatred and intimidation. Anger implies an injustice. Hatred is a basic.

Eric Rush’s piece prompted me to look up The Naked Communist (1958) by Cleon Skousen (1913 - 2006). It’s been decades since I thought about Skousen’s book. In light of everything hate-filled American Communists have achieved since 1958 it’s appropriate to publish his famous list of Communist operating procedures. The list appeared in later editions, and is part of the Congressional Record which is where I got it.

The first two are especially noteworthy. Communists made great advances during the Cold War because of the external threat the Soviet Union posed. The atomic-war scare tactic got American Communists much more than they ever hoped to get in an atomic war the Soviet Union would have lost.

The same Cold War scare tactic is being used with China and North Korea, and I suspect that John Kerry was confirmed to facilitate Iran’s membership in the Coexist Club.

Capitulation, better known as leading from behind, is the foundation of Hussein’s foreign policy. Indeed, cut & run has been Kerry’s, and Joe Biden’s, policy since Vietnam.

Finally, most of the items on the following list are self-evident. I’ve inserted a brief clarification comment after a few items:


Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963

Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. (Think New Start Treaty.)

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. (See how it’s done: List of specialized agencies of the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N. [China was admitted in 1971.]

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N. [Though the demolition of the Berlin Wall was completed in 1991, to date, little else of substance has changed in Germany, particularly with respect to genuine democratization; it remains in every way a hybrid communistic nation.]

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths. (That one now includes oaths of office.)

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. [Certainly this has been accomplished with respect to the Democratic Party; hijacking of the Republican Party is close at hand, with genuine "conservatism" having now been all but abandoned.] (Does anyone still believe that today’s establishment Republicans are better than Democrats?)

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. (Extrapolate that one to include the Affordable Care Act.)

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks. (That one was well underway before Cleon Skousen published The Naked Communist.)

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions. (Past tense is more accurate.)

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. (That one was later identified as liberalism’s media monopoly. The Monopoly has been breached, but it still controls most of the entertainment industry.)

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. (No matter the topic conspiracy theories were added to traditional censorship.)

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. (At least one Supreme Court justice agrees.)

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. (Hussein hopes INTERPOL operating in the US will accomplish that one.)

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. (That one is so successful nobody bothers to question it.)

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. (Ditto #38.)

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. (Courts have already ruled that parental authority ends at the schoolhouse door.)

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike. (The American Bar Association is working overtime to repeal the Connally Amendment.)
 
From #4 permalink

The same Cold War scare tactic is being used with China and North Korea, and I suspect that John Kerry was confirmed to facilitate Iran’s membership in the Coexist Club.

Here it comes:

(Reuters) - The United States is ready for direct talks with Iran if it is serious about negotiations, Vice President Joe Biden said on Saturday, backing bilateral contact many see as crucial to easing a dispute over Tehran's nuclear program.

Biden raises possibility of direct U.S.-Iran talks | Reuters

I have one question: How come Hussein & Company can coexist with Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood, but they could NOT coexist with Gaddafi and Mubarak?
 
The only hatred I see evidenced in this thread is coming from you.

And, given your hysterical comments about Communist's, it apparent you either did not read the link you posted, or missed it's point entirely.
 
Oldguy;6764116

The only hatred I see evidenced in this thread is coming from you.

To Oldguy: No kidding. Did you pick up the clues in the OP:

In the past century an army of intelligent people made brilliant ideological and intellectual arguments against socialism/communism, yet collectivism spread and continues to spread. I would argue that to defeat Hussein & Company it is essential to hate the practitioner more than the policy.

XXXXX

Obviously, more than force is required to beat Socialists/Communists at their own game. They must be hated if they are to [be] beaten.


Oldguy;6764116

And, given your hysterical comments about Communist's, it apparent you either did not read the link you posted, or missed it's point entirely.

To Oldguy: Which of the links I posted in this thread are you talking about? Precisely which point are you referring to?

Make an effort to express your own opinions instead of attacking me personally. If that is too much for you to handle stop cluttering up my thread when you have nothing to say. In fact, don’t read my threads. I do not post messages for half-wits.


The only thing I'll say about this thread is that the first and fourth posts need expanding on. Far too concise...

To Dr Grump: Thank you. You made my day. I so enjoy it when bumper sticker mentalities try to be clever.
 
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In fact, I’ve said it would not be a bad thing if Muslim fundamentalists blew up the Statue of Liberty just so long as that terrible, terrible, concept in Lazarus’ sonnet is also destroyed.

Cannot tell who the author of the above quote is, but to that person all I can say is this...

GET A GRIP, MAN!​
 
In fact, I’ve said it would not be a bad thing if Muslim fundamentalists blew up the Statue of Liberty just so long as that terrible, terrible, concept in Lazarus’ sonnet is also destroyed.

Cannot tell who the author of the above quote is, but to that person all I can say is this...

GET A GRIP, MAN!​

To editec: Instead of getting a grip you should get some help. You need a lot of help if you cannot tell I made that statement. I wonder what else went over your head.
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw]Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote" (Goo Goo) - YouTube[/ame]


this is the ultimate hate in a democracy
 
I don't really like chocolate cake. Under an equality doctrine, if everyone else gets a piece of chocolate cake, I would have to get the same. Even though I don't like it.
 

To Truthmatters: Paul Weyrich (1942 - 2008) worked to establish democracies:


Whenever he talked about not everyone voting I believe he meant parasites not voting. The US Constitution was the first and only governing document to accomplish that goal. Unfortunately, parasites found a way to get around the Constitution. Proof: the welfare state. The motive: The number one goal of American Communists is to increase the size of the parasite class to the point where they bring down this country just as parasites destroyed every nation, civilization and empire there ever was.

Let me thank you for giving me the opportunity to once again quote those whose thoughts on democracy carry more weight more than mine ever could:


The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%. Thomas Jefferson

When the people find they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic. Benjamin Franklin

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. John Adams

Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few. John Adams

The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived. John Quincy Adams

We are a Republican Government, Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy...it has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity. Alexander Hamilton

In my lifetime:

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. H. L. Mencken

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill

Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy. Ron Paul

The Arab Spring proves this:

Democracy is like a streetcar. You ride it until you arrive at your destination and then you step off. Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan


I don't really like chocolate cake. Under an equality doctrine, if everyone else gets a piece of chocolate cake, I would have to get the same. Even though I don't like it.

To Sunshine: Exactly so. Those who preach democracy mean totalitarian government.

Charles Krauthammer from the OP

. . . we put much more emphasis on the individual, on liberty versus equality. There is a reason that in the New York Harbor there’s a Statue of Liberty — it’s not a Statue of Equality.
 

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