CrpRavens30
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Don't get me wrong.. I think Bill was, hands down, the greatest president I've ever lived under....
WOW just WOW.. Clinton is a POS.. Bill had no business being president..
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Don't get me wrong.. I think Bill was, hands down, the greatest president I've ever lived under....
Here is how it's going to play out.........
Hitlery is going to get the Democratic nomination and Giuliani is going to get the Nomination on the Republican side. Ron Paul is going to freak out and throw a temper tantrum and run on the Independant or Libertarian ticket. That will mess up the race for the Republican side and basically hand the keys to the White House over to Hitlery.
Bill wasn't found to have obstructed justice. Scooter Libby was. So I guess you think Scooter should still be in jail?
The grand jury, superior court, supreme court, and Arkansas bar disagree with your.
And no, I don't believe Scooter Libby should be in jail any more than Bill Clinton should be in jail for their respective offenses. It remains to be seen if Scooter did in fact intentionally lie. He has not admitted to that fact and may simply be guilty of nothing more than a faulty memory. That will be decided in his appeal. Bill Clinton, however, wagged his finger in the face of the nation declaring he did not have sex with 'that woman. . . .' and later, after he was caught, fessed up Pretty hard for him to say he didn't lie.
George Bush looked us in the face and said there were WMD's.
So did Bill Clinton in between blowjobs, but a lot of people seem to want to forget that.
Anyway....
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... and he did what? Occupied Iraq or had the inspectors do their job?
Anyway...
He didn't remove a tyrant and a killer from power and help establish a new government in a country that was a safe haven for terrorists either. Apparently you also missed the bit where Saddam admitted he was waiting for the inspectors to leave before he started his developement of a nuclear weapon. I guess you also arn't aware of Bill Clinton's support to go into Iraq (of course, that was just his first opinion) or that we couldn't go into Iraq without the votes of the Democrats that voted for it.
I am aware that this is essentially the same conversation I've had umpteen times. Have a nice day.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... and he did what? Occupied Iraq or had the inspectors do their job?
Anyway...
Iraq WASN'T a mecca for terrorists unitl AFTER Bush deposed Saddam. Saddam hated the fundies.
But yeah, same convo, different day.
So have a good one.
Yeah, I guess those training camps popped up by themselves, the medical treatment and financial support provided to terrorists were tax write offs, and the government controlled Iraqi TV naming Osama Bin Laden their Man of the Year for 2001 was an accident.
The consensus of intelligence experts has been that these contacts never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission, declassified Defense Department reports[3] as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.[4]
Yeah, I guess those training camps popped up by themselves, the medical treatment and financial support provided to terrorists were tax write offs, and the government controlled Iraqi TV naming Osama Bin Laden their Man of the Year for 2001 was an accident.
Indians from what I can gather respected woman and treated them with great chivalry unlike Europeans. Rape is part of our culture it seems.
The Comanche's population had increased in large part by adopting captured women and children into the tribe, the former as child-bearing slaves and the later as tribal members. The Comanche made little distinction from tribal members born into the tribe, and those adopted in. Children under puberty were tested for intelligence, strength and courage, and if they seemed acceptable in all, they were adopted into the tribe and taught to be warriors. Grown men captured alive were generally killed, while women over puberty could expect gang rape and slavery.
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No, rape is not a cultural thing. It is a male thing. Our culture, which is now a universalist culture, tries to suppress it. Other cultures, which are tribalist, justify it, when done to women of other tribes. This is why the liberal democratic culture which we have developed in the West, sinc ethe Enlightenment, is superior to those cultures which are merely tribal.
As for the American Indians, here is a part of a Wikipedia article on the Comanches:
We shouldn't demonize the Indians -- some aspects of their culture were admirable. But let's not kid ourselves about the savage nature of the human animal, outside of the institutions which have so slowly and painfully been evolved over the millenia to channel that savagery into other courses, institutions which cultural radicals are all too quick to denigrate.
4. According to a May 2003 debriefing of a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, Iraqi intelligence established a highly secretive relationship with Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and later with al Qaeda. The first meeting in 1992 between the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and al Qaeda was brokered by al-Turabi. Former IIS deputy director Faruq Hijazi and senior al Qaeda leader [Ayman al] Zawahiri were at the meeting--the first of several between 1992 and 1995 in Sudan. Additional meetings between Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda were held in Pakistan. Members of al Qaeda would sometimes visit Baghdad where they would meet the Iraqi intelligence chief in a safe house. The report claimed that Saddam insisted the relationship with al Qaeda be kept secret. After 9-11, the source said Saddam made a personnel change in the IIS for fear the relationship would come under scrutiny from foreign probes.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp
(e.g., the 9/11 report states "Bin Ladn himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995) this document indicates the contacts were approved personally by Saddam Hussein.
It also indicates the discussions were substantive, in particular that bin Laden was proposing an operational relationship, and that the Iraqis were, at a minimum, interested in exploring a potential relationship and prepared to show good faith by broadcasting the speeches of al Ouda, the radical cleric who was also a bin Laden mentor.
The document does not establish that the two parties did in fact enter into an operational relationship. Given that the document claims bin Laden was proposing to the Iraqis that they conduct "joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia, it is worth noting that eight months after the meeting -- on November 13, 1995 -- terrorists attacked Saudi National Guard Headquarters in Riyadh, killing 5 U.S. military advisers. The militants later confessed on Saudi TV to having been trained by Osama bin Laden.)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1
The Telegraph found the file on bin Laden inside a folder lying in the rubble of one of the rooms of the destroyed intelligence HQ. There are three pages, stapled together; two are on paper headed with the insignia and lettering of the Mukhabarat.
They show correspondence between Mukhabarat agencies over preparations for the visit of al-Qa'eda's envoy, who travelled to Iraq from Sudan, where bin Laden had been based until 1996. They disclose what Baghdad hopes to achieve from the meeting, which took place less than five months before bin Laden was placed at the top of America's most wanted list following the bombing of two US embassies in east Africa.
Perhaps aware of the sensitivities of the subject matter, Iraqi agents at some point clumsily attempted to mask out all references to bin Laden, using white correcting fluid. The dried fluid was removed to reveal the clearly legible name three times in the documents.
One paper is marked "Top Secret and Urgent". It is signed "MDA", a codename believed to be the director of one of the intelligence sections within the Mukhabarat, and dated February 19, 1998. It refers to the planned trip from Sudan by bin Laden's unnamed envoy and refers to the arrangements for his visit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/27/walq27.xml