A Bad Assumption: Republicans Are Acting in Good Faith on Deficits

[Midnight Marauder]

A Bad Assumption: Republicans Are Acting in Good Faith on Deficits

A good point. For if they really were interested in balancing the budget, they would pass a new version of Gramm-Rudmann and line-item veto that would pass SCOTUS muster. The House would also install a paygo with real teeth.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The GOP is using the deficit as an excuse to kill the programs they never liked

Its about time they learned how to get things done from the democrats. Using the financial crisis to put in programs they always wanted.

 

[Liability]

No one. Not one single scum sucking, corrupt, power hungry motherfucker of a politician from either party is acting in good faith when it comes to debt and deficits.

Put it this way we overspend our revenue by 200 billion a month and the best either band of fucking morons can come up with is a "plan" to "Drastically cut" about one day's worth of overspending from the budget.

Tell me is that acting in good faith or is it just plain old malfeasance?

Almost completely right on the mark.

The Democrat budget cutting proposal was a horrid joke. And even at roughly ten times BETTER, the Republican House "plan" was also still just a fucking joke.

With the exception of maybe a handful of Congressmen and a Senator or two who "get it," there isn't a fucking one of those assholes in Congress who are serious about attending to the incredible damage we are doing with this ghastly and unjustifiable deficit spending. And the President today was no more serious than the gaggle of Congress-critters. He muttered a plateful of platitudes and meaningless horseshit and ignored the actual problem.

Malfeasance IS the word.

 

[Skull Pilot]

None?

and you still think that it matters who is in power?

The easiest thing for a politician to do is cut taxes.....everybody loves you
The hardest thing is to cut spending.....you are going to piss somebody off

That is why we have a $14 trillion defecit

So basically every dimocrat and repugnantcan we've ever elected are spineless pussies.

And you still think it matters who is in power?

 

[rdean]

A scum sucking corrupt power hungry politician is a scum sucking corrupt power hungry politician.

Party does not matter as both are leading us to the exact same place.

No, most Democrats don't want to slash funding for education. They don't want to drop bombs. They certainly want to rebuild our countries infrastructure. They don't want tax cuts for corporations and billionaires. They want equal rights for all Americans.

Republicans do not have the best interests of the country in mind. Their leadership will hold millions hostage to force tax cuts for billionaires. They work to send jobs to China. They want to cut funding for education so that money "saved" can be given out as tax cuts for billionaires.

Name a Republican policy that is good for this country. Something that really helped the average American. Not stopping something or tearing down something. But something that really did a service for the average American. You won't be able to.

Rdean you pay way too much attention to campaign rhetoric and speeches, there's about a 180 degree difference between what democrats (and republicans) say vs what they do.

And your examples are?

Well?

Well?

Thought so.

 

[rdean]

This is one of the things that pizzes me off with the POTUS. He seems to think the GOP is acting in good faith when it's apparent to everyone, even GOP supporters, that they are not. They are using their newly won powers of the purse to punish the democrats. They are not governing, they are seeking retribution.

Retribution for what? No, this is about destroying the middle class. Softening them up for a corporate "takeover".

 

[rdean]

The GOP is using the deficit as an excuse to kill the programs they never liked

dimocrats will borrow more to establish more government programs we neither need nor can afford and there has been no decrease in the size, scope and cost of government under the repugnantcans so as I said before there is no difference which party is in power as we will end up in the exact same ditch.

Wrong again. This country will never be able to pay off it's debt without a growing economy. This "fear of government" is simply too, too much. The paranoia has tipped them over the edge.

 

[rdean]

None?

and you still think that it matters who is in power?

The easiest thing for a politician to do is cut taxes.....everybody loves you
The hardest thing is to cut spending.....you are going to piss somebody off

That is why we have a $14 trillion defecit

No, we used to have a deficit we could live with. Trillions in tax cuts mostly to the wealthy, unpaid for wars, trillions more for a drugs for votes bill, working with the Chamber of Commerce and the Chinese to move millions of jobs to China.

These are the things that gave us a 14 trillion dollar deficit. And it's been compounded by refusing to rebuild an aging infrastructure, slashing funding for education, devaluing education, and basically throwing our future away because white wingers hate having a black president. It's as obvious as, well, "black and white".

 

[rdean]

and you still think that it matters who is in power?

The easiest thing for a politician to do is cut taxes.....everybody loves you
The hardest thing is to cut spending.....you are going to piss somebody off

That is why we have a $14 trillion defecit

So basically every dimocrat and repugnantcan we've ever elected are spineless pussies.

And you still think it matters who is in power?

Oh, it matters. Bush was a strong leader and a disaster. But he had it easier since his party is 90% white and mostly Christian AND they vote in a block. With Democrats, you have to build a coalition. This is what Republican'ts don't understand. They don't build coalitions. They never had to. Their little worker bees march in "lockstep".

 

[Skull Pilot]

The easiest thing for a politician to do is cut taxes.....everybody loves you
The hardest thing is to cut spending.....you are going to piss somebody off

That is why we have a $14 trillion defecit

So basically every dimocrat and repugnantcan we've ever elected are spineless pussies.

And you still think it matters who is in power?

Oh, it matters. Bush was a strong leader and a disaster. But he had it easier since his party is 90% white and mostly Christian AND they vote in a block. With Democrats, you have to build a coalition. This is what Republican'ts don't understand. They don't build coalitions. They never had to. Their little worker bees march in "lockstep".

I don't see much diversity of action in your so called coalition of dimocrats. They are moving in lockstep as much as the republicans.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Jonathan Weiler: A Bad Assumption: Republicans Are Acting in Good Faith on Deficits

The extent of Republican dishonesty on deficits should have been plain long ago. Republican presidents have been running up very large deficits for thirty years. And in their more candid moments, their advisers and supporters have acknowledged the value of "strategic deficits" -- the utility of which deficits as an excuse to cut programs that help the less well-off while preserving and enhancing the prerogatives of the wealthy. That's the only agenda the Republicans have pursued with consistency and dedication for three decades.

Another Repug agenda exposed and its true, Repug presidents like to run up deficits to feed the rich and take from the poor.

Yep this thread is a troll thread.

Posting link from Huffington is trolling because you shitheads don't know how to argue?

 

[midcan5]

Why is it so hard for republicans to face the truth? Yes, both parties incur deficits, but why and for whom? While I won't bother arguing the benefits of Social programs over war materials that are soon obsolete or useless, I think any reading of history and any view of the nations that have modified their military spending should demonstrate why this nation is starting to collapse from the inside - as all nations do.

Deficit stats are below for those whose mind is still open.

U.S. Federal Deficits and Presidents

And America since 1980 is here for those who want a bit of the real. America Since 1980: A Right Turn Leading to a Dead End | Economy | AlterNet

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/United-States-since-World-Since/dp/0521677556/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8]Amazon.com: The United States since 1980 (The World Since 1980) (9780521677554): Dean Baker: Books[/ame]

 

[Seawytch]

No, most Democrats don't want to slash funding for education. They don't want to drop bombs. They certainly want to rebuild our countries infrastructure. They don't want tax cuts for corporations and billionaires. They want equal rights for all Americans.

Republicans do not have the best interests of the country in mind. Their leadership will hold millions hostage to force tax cuts for billionaires. They work to send jobs to China. They want to cut funding for education so that money "saved" can be given out as tax cuts for billionaires.

Name a Republican policy that is good for this country. Something that really helped the average American. Not stopping something or tearing down something. But something that really did a service for the average American. You won't be able to.

Unfortunately, too many Democrats have fallen prey to the outside money influences and big corporate interests. The KEY is in getting all this outside money OUT of our political system. (and I don't care WHERE it is coming from, the Koch fiends or Greenfreakingpeace)

 

[Stephanie]

And dimocrats are?

Democrats are a coalition. Black brown white gay straight men women young old rich poor educated uneducated Christian Muslim Jew Atheist and so on.

Republicans are 90% white and mostly Christian.

The two simply can't be compared.

oh brother.

 

[Liability]

Idiot uber libs like rdean are simply to addicted to deficits -- and to the spending of money we don't have -- to honestly admit that a booming economy alone, if we can generate one, will never be sufficient to attend to the massive problem we have irresponsibly created.

We do need to cut spending by massive proportions.

but many libs are utterly unequipped to acknowledge this. They are addicts and are not responsible for their delusions any more. That's another way of noting that they are irresponsible.

 

[whitehall]

How does a political party "preserve the perogatives of the wealthy"? I bet the author of the little socialist catch phrase doesn't even know. It's just a knee-jerk throwaway line that catches the eye of the left wing hate mongers. Don't we all want to get rich? Don't we all want to keep the hard earned money we make? Corporate "profits" go to R&D and espansion and stimulate the economy in ways that Obama and his green revolution wouldn't dream of. Michael Savage was right. Liberalism is a mental disorder and lefties suffer from bi-polar symptoms. Lefties whine about industry moving overseas at the same time they encourage more and more government confiscation of profits and regulations that cause corporations to move overseas.. They mollify criticism of socialist takeover by creating endless propaganda about the evil profits of corporations. Lefties whine about the cost of gas while they tell themselves that oil is evil. They look the other way while America's treasure is sent overseas to oil producing countries and America sinks ever closer to 3rd world status.

 

[kaz]

Oh, it matters. Bush was a strong leader and a disaster. But he had it easier since his party is 90% white and mostly Christian AND they vote in a block. With Democrats, you have to build a coalition. This is what Republican'ts don't understand. They don't build coalitions. They never had to. Their little worker bees march in "lockstep".

In the last election you had two major candidates, Obama and Hillary, who agreed on every issue. So the coalitions were those who wanted a liberal black man against those who wanted a liberal white woman. The liberal black man won, the ones who wanted a liberal white woman fell behind him, then he put her on his administration.

I mean wow, that coalition building in the Democratic Party was MAJOR complicated, you are so right. I mean correct...

 

[ClosedCaption]

Idiot uber libs like rdean are simply to addicted to deficits -- and to the spending of money we don't have -- to honestly admit that a booming economy alone, if we can generate one, will never be sufficient to attend to the massive problem we have irresponsibly created.

We do need to cut spending by massive proportions.

but many libs are utterly unequipped to acknowledge this. They are addicts and are not responsible for their delusions any more. That's another way of noting that they are irresponsible.

Heres a thought, lets cut spending AND raise the tax on the top 1% by 2%. Burning the candle at both ends would get it done sooner, if deficeits is actually the concern here. We can reduce it even faster that way.

Cool?

 

[cutter]

Jonathan Weiler: A Bad Assumption: Republicans Are Acting in Good Faith on Deficits

The extent of Republican dishonesty on deficits should have been plain long ago. Republican presidents have been running up very large deficits for thirty years. And in their more candid moments, their advisers and supporters have acknowledged the value of "strategic deficits" -- the utility of which deficits as an excuse to cut programs that help the less well-off while preserving and enhancing the prerogatives of the wealthy. That's the only agenda the Republicans have pursued with consistency and dedication for three decades.

Another Repug agenda exposed and its true, Repug presidents like to run up deficits to feed the rich and take from the poor.

How can the libs even mention the deficit the Repubs have had with this President adding 4trillion in 2yrs. Nobody even comes close to what obamas done.

 

[driveby]

And dimocrats are?

Democrats are a coalition. Black brown white gay straight men women young old rich poor educated uneducated Christian Muslim Jew Atheist and so on.

Republicans are 90% white and mostly Christian.

The two simply can't be compared.