9th Circuit Craps On Arizona Voters...AGAIN!

[Seawytch]

No church has been forced to have a gay marriage, just like no church has ever been forced to have an interracial or an interfaith marriage. DO try to keep up.

Judge Orders Colorado Bakery to Cater for Same-Sex Weddings - ABC News

A baker is not a church. This is news to you?

Do you even realize that none of the states with these "high profile" Public Accommodation cases were marriage equality states? Public Accommodation and civil marriage are two different things. In some states and localities, you cannot discriminate against gays, civil marriage or no.

In other states, gays can marry, but can also be discriminated against in Public Accommodation.

You're making excuses for another lefty dichotomy.

I'm stating a fact that contradicts your opinion, that's all.

Some states recognize marriage equality, some protect gays in Public Accommodation. Some do both. They are not related.

Marriage equality in regards to homo marriage is a misnomer. Protecting homos is different from homo coercion. Unconstitutional state laws do not theoretically usurp individual freedom. You are cherry picking and rationalizing.

No, I'm stating actual facts while you are stating your opinion.

Anti gay laws are what are being found unconstitutional, PA laws have been found to be Constitutional.

 

[daws101]

Why not?

Because of the unconstitutional laws!

There's a new inflatable vest for riders on the market for $600...it's tethered to the bike...if you do a get off it pulls the pin on a CO2 canister that surrounds the neck like an air mattress to keep the head from twisting. I rode scrambles, motocross, and some flat track for years....the thought of being on a bike without leathers and a helmet terrifies me.

I'm not advocating not riding with protection. The point is that it should be up to the individual.

you mean a well informed individual ...

Individual, period! Lefties think they can erroneously determine what well-informed means and then apply that to everyone.

who's they? the appeal to a nonexistent authority argument in 3...2...1
Appeal To False Authority:
A variation on Appeal To Authority, but the Authority is outside his area of expertise. A variation is to appeal to a non-existent authority. Another variation is to misquote a real authority. There are several kinds of misquotation. A quote can be inexact or have been edited. It can be taken out of context. The quote can be separate quotes which the arguer glued together. Or, bits might have gone missing.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Because of the unconstitutional laws!

There's a new inflatable vest for riders on the market for $600...it's tethered to the bike...if you do a get off it pulls the pin on a CO2 canister that surrounds the neck like an air mattress to keep the head from twisting. I rode scrambles, motocross, and some flat track for years....the thought of being on a bike without leathers and a helmet terrifies me.

I'm not advocating not riding with protection. The point is that it should be up to the individual.

you mean a well informed individual ...

Individual, period! Lefties think they can erroneously determine what well-informed means and then apply that to everyone.

who's they? the appeal to a nonexistent authority argument in 3...2...1
Appeal To False Authority:
A variation on Appeal To Authority, but the Authority is outside his area of expertise. A variation is to appeal to a non-existent authority. Another variation is to misquote a real authority. There are several kinds of misquotation. A quote can be inexact or have been edited. It can be taken out of context. The quote can be separate quotes which the arguer glued together. Or, bits might have gone missing.

You used the term well-informed so if you disagree with my take then you need to define well-informed.

 

[daws101]

Trumped by logic again, eh?

no ....she's just laughing so hard at your bullshit she can't post right.


log·ic
noun\ˈlä-jik\
: a proper or reasonable way of thinking about or understanding something

: a particular way of thinking about something

: the science that studies the formal processes used in thinking and reasoning
you fit none of the above...

Once again, logic forces the left into the realm of disparagement.

false! statement of fact.....nothing you posted show any understanding of even the most fundamental logic.

Hen you need to explain in detail. I've already provided the detail of personal choice.

hen? a female chicken..
personal choice is meaningless without proper information.

 

[daws101]

There's a new inflatable vest for riders on the market for $600...it's tethered to the bike...if you do a get off it pulls the pin on a CO2 canister that surrounds the neck like an air mattress to keep the head from twisting. I rode scrambles, motocross, and some flat track for years....the thought of being on a bike without leathers and a helmet terrifies me.

I'm not advocating not riding with protection. The point is that it should be up to the individual.

you mean a well informed individual ...

Individual, period! Lefties think they can erroneously determine what well-informed means and then apply that to everyone.

who's they? the appeal to a nonexistent authority argument in 3...2...1
Appeal To False Authority:
A variation on Appeal To Authority, but the Authority is outside his area of expertise. A variation is to appeal to a non-existent authority. Another variation is to misquote a real authority. There are several kinds of misquotation. A quote can be inexact or have been edited. It can be taken out of context. The quote can be separate quotes which the arguer glued together. Or, bits might have gone missing.

You used the term well-informed so if you disagree with my take then you need to define well-informed.

I need do nothing of the kind...if you are out of grammar school no definition is necessaRY.

 

[Czernobog]

I'm stating a fact that contradicts your opinion, that's all.

Some states recognize marriage equality, some protect gays in Public Accommodation. Some do both. They are not related.

Marriage equality in regards to homo marriage is a misnomer. Protecting homos is different from homo coercion. Unconstitutional state laws do not theoretically usurp individual freedom. You are cherry picking and rationalizing.

Then why are they declared unConstitutional?

If it's law it's law. If it is essentially unconstitutional and usurps individual liberty it is unconstitutional. Like obamacare. Like helmet and seatbelt laws. You cherry pick some to try to justify others.

Hasn't Obamacare been declared Constitutional by the Supreme Court? As for helmet and seatbelt laws.....I don't mind if you choose to ignore them. Go right ahead. Donor card filled out? Have you made sure you have enough insurance so John Q Public doesn't have to pick up the tab for your injuries/death?

Once again you rationalize. The Supreme Court decided to cal obamacare a tax. That was their rationale for impeding liberty. Like imposing a helmet law just to exist. That answers your other rationalization.

Actually, it might surprise you to know that I am also opposed to helmet, and seat belt laws. And drug criminalization, laws banning prostitution, gambling, even suicide.

If you want to sit at your kitchen table, and drink Draino, there is not one single person who should be allowed to tell you you can't. If people want to suggest to you the reasons why it might be a bad idea, that's fine, but they should not be able to tell you you can't.

Now, child safety seat laws, I kinda get, only because that is about protecting children who are too young to make those choices for themselves; but such laws for adults? Gee...thanks for treating me like my 3-year-old!!!

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Judge Orders Colorado Bakery to Cater for Same-Sex Weddings - ABC News

A baker is not a church. This is news to you?

Do you even realize that none of the states with these "high profile" Public Accommodation cases were marriage equality states? Public Accommodation and civil marriage are two different things. In some states and localities, you cannot discriminate against gays, civil marriage or no.

In other states, gays can marry, but can also be discriminated against in Public Accommodation.

You're making excuses for another lefty dichotomy.

I'm stating a fact that contradicts your opinion, that's all.

Some states recognize marriage equality, some protect gays in Public Accommodation. Some do both. They are not related.

Marriage equality in regards to homo marriage is a misnomer. Protecting homos is different from homo coercion. Unconstitutional state laws do not theoretically usurp individual freedom. You are cherry picking and rationalizing.

No, I'm stating actual facts while you are stating your opinion.

Anti gay laws are what are being found unconstitutional, PA laws have been found to be Constitutional.

No, you're giving opinion. There are no anti-gay laws. You are misconstruing the recognition of the very pertinent heterosexuality as being against the irrelevant anomaly of homosexuality.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Marriage equality in regards to homo marriage is a misnomer. Protecting homos is different from homo coercion. Unconstitutional state laws do not theoretically usurp individual freedom. You are cherry picking and rationalizing.

Then why are they declared unConstitutional?

If it's law it's law. If it is essentially unconstitutional and usurps individual liberty it is unconstitutional. Like obamacare. Like helmet and seatbelt laws. You cherry pick some to try to justify others.

Hasn't Obamacare been declared Constitutional by the Supreme Court? As for helmet and seatbelt laws.....I don't mind if you choose to ignore them. Go right ahead. Donor card filled out? Have you made sure you have enough insurance so John Q Public doesn't have to pick up the tab for your injuries/death?

Once again you rationalize. The Supreme Court decided to cal obamacare a tax. That was their rationale for impeding liberty. Like imposing a helmet law just to exist. That answers your other rationalization.

Actually, it might surprise you to know that I am also opposed to helmet, and seat belt laws. And drug criminalization, laws banning prostitution, gambling, even suicide.

If you want to sit at your kitchen table, and drink Draino, there is not one single person who should be allowed to tell you you can't. If people want to suggest to you the reasons why it might be a bad idea, that's fine, but they should not be able to tell you you can't.

Now, child safety seat laws, I kinda get, only because that is about protecting children who are too young to make those choices for themselves; but such laws for adults? Gee...thanks for treating me like my 3-year-old!!!

Good for you. Why then are you in favor of imposing the very personal and irrelevant homosexuality onto everyone else through legal homo marriage?

 

[BullKurtz]

The horror is not your problem. It's the risk of the biker. A careless pedestrian poses the same risks.

Yeah well, if you ever kill somebody you'll see my point....it ain't something that you shrug off no matter how little blame you had. It stays with you.

 

[Seawytch]

A baker is not a church. This is news to you?

Do you even realize that none of the states with these "high profile" Public Accommodation cases were marriage equality states? Public Accommodation and civil marriage are two different things. In some states and localities, you cannot discriminate against gays, civil marriage or no.

In other states, gays can marry, but can also be discriminated against in Public Accommodation.

You're making excuses for another lefty dichotomy.

I'm stating a fact that contradicts your opinion, that's all.

Some states recognize marriage equality, some protect gays in Public Accommodation. Some do both. They are not related.

Marriage equality in regards to homo marriage is a misnomer. Protecting homos is different from homo coercion. Unconstitutional state laws do not theoretically usurp individual freedom. You are cherry picking and rationalizing.

No, I'm stating actual facts while you are stating your opinion.

Anti gay laws are what are being found unconstitutional, PA laws have been found to be Constitutional.

No, you're giving opinion. There are no anti-gay laws. You are misconstruing the recognition of the very pertinent heterosexuality as being against the irrelevant anomaly of homosexuality.

You're being intentionally obtuse. Anti gay laws are being found unconstitutional in Federal court after Federal court. This is a fact. Also a fact - PA laws have NOTHING to do with marriage equality for gays.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Congratulations to Arizona for joining the long list of states who recognize gay marriages

What's in it for you?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Collapse, partitioning and reconstruction of new smaller nations inside what used to be the u.s. is the next chapter in american history.

If Az goes, texas might also..if texas goes, louisiana will too..then others will follow...

imagine the "u.s." when deprived of all that oil and the port of new orleans. over 30% of the nations oil is either produced, refined here or comes in from the LOOP....

Just try it

We kicked your traitorous asses in 1865 and we will do it again

What's stopping them from doing it? There would be no armed conflagration. They'd just have to deal with it.
You don't get your way.

 

[BullKurtz]

Wait a minute...

Were you the one who challenged him to "post the link", and just kept deflecting from every single argument he made with "Where's the Link!?!?' Like the old "Where's the beef?" lady from the old Wendy's commercials?

And now you're insulting him because he did exactly what you asked him to do?

I'm not sure what anti-psychotics you're on, but you really should talk to your shrink about upping your dosage...

Listen up pinhead, what you're referring to is a LIE told by a cowardly little snitch....had nothing to do with anything else in my thread, which you are still in after being asked to leave for being a slimy idiot. He claims he has a LINK to prove a lie he's telling but won't and can't produce it. I'm sure we'll see the same thing from your sorry ass in due time.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Collapse, partitioning and reconstruction of new smaller nations inside what used to be the u.s. is the next chapter in american history.

If Az goes, texas might also..if texas goes, louisiana will too..then others will follow...

imagine the "u.s." when deprived of all that oil and the port of new orleans. over 30% of the nations oil is either produced, refined here or comes in from the LOOP....

Just try it

We kicked your traitorous asses in 1865 and we will do it again

"We?....Who is we sucka?"

 

[thereisnospoon]

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Arizona to the 21st century

What's in it for you?

 

[Czernobog]

Then why are they declared unConstitutional?

If it's law it's law. If it is essentially unconstitutional and usurps individual liberty it is unconstitutional. Like obamacare. Like helmet and seatbelt laws. You cherry pick some to try to justify others.

Hasn't Obamacare been declared Constitutional by the Supreme Court? As for helmet and seatbelt laws.....I don't mind if you choose to ignore them. Go right ahead. Donor card filled out? Have you made sure you have enough insurance so John Q Public doesn't have to pick up the tab for your injuries/death?

Once again you rationalize. The Supreme Court decided to cal obamacare a tax. That was their rationale for impeding liberty. Like imposing a helmet law just to exist. That answers your other rationalization.

Actually, it might surprise you to know that I am also opposed to helmet, and seat belt laws. And drug criminalization, laws banning prostitution, gambling, even suicide.

If you want to sit at your kitchen table, and drink Draino, there is not one single person who should be allowed to tell you you can't. If people want to suggest to you the reasons why it might be a bad idea, that's fine, but they should not be able to tell you you can't.

Now, child safety seat laws, I kinda get, only because that is about protecting children who are too young to make those choices for themselves; but such laws for adults? Gee...thanks for treating me like my 3-year-old!!!

Good for you. Why then are you in favor of imposing the very personal and irrelevant homosexuality onto everyone else through legal homo marriage?

Because it doesn't. Until you can tell me specifically, without resorting to useless generalizations about the "harm to society as a whole", how Steve, and Michel, down the street getting married, directly affects you, and imposes their private choices on you, then all you are doing is spinning empty rhetoric to justify your bigotry.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Here's the deal....we're tired of being talked down to and punished like teenagers by the leftist asswipes running this government. Time after time we've followed the Constitution in our votes involving states rights. And time after time we are dismissed as idiots by those who've never spent a minute in our mountains, our ranches and fields, our cities and towns, or on the border out in the once beautiful Sonoran Desert. That time is coming to an END.

We didn't ring up $17T in debt....the potlickers in New England and California did that....so let THEM pay it off. And pay us off as a parting gift. We will join with states like ourselves and form a new country with our own currency, judiciary, and and legislature. We will require those outside our new union to produce a passport to enter our territory and we will be a model of the Nation the Founders envisioned and produced until 50 years ago. We might consider rejoining the old United States when it is debt and socialist free if and when that might happen. Until then, do without us and we'll do without you.

Will you allow fags in your new country?

Sure. Just no fucked in the head liberal pukes like you.
Hey shit for dinner, when is the last time you started a thread of your own with your own idea? When is the last time you actually contributed to a discussion?
You should be kicked out of here because you are nothing but a drive by snarky asshole who is like that little kid that sits on the sidelines and yaps at the bigger kids then runs away or gets his ass kicked. The one that the entire neighborhood hates.
That's you.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Just try it

We kicked your traitorous asses in 1865 and we will do it again

COME ON DOWN MOTHERFUCKER!

Them be fight'n words

We will gladly kick the asses of traitors

You may think you are a "we"....But on your way down I-35 you'll turn to see if anyone is with you as you cross the Texas state line and realize, you are SO alone.
You'd lose in shadow boxing.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Reasons to secede from the US

1. You want to keep your slaves
2. You want to keep blacks in their place
3. Obamacare
4. Gay Marriage

Can you see why you guys are mocked?

No but because you are so incorrect, we can see why YOU are being mocked.

 

[Czernobog]

...which you are still in after being asked to leave for being a slimy idiot...

Blah, blah, blah, that's the beauty of public internet forums. Since this isn't your forum, you can ask me to do whatever you want, and I can respond with the appropriately placed

and go right on having intelligent conversation with those capable of it.

Have fun with your useless poo-flinging.