80K new jobs in June; 85K more people on disability in June

Yes you were

Same poll - more relevant and current
Note even if ones uses your less relevant poll 5% is normally outside the Standard Deviation
So you are still wrong 20% does not equal 25%
Again, liberals- math thing


Gallup Bush Presidency Closes With 34% Approval, 61% Disapproval


Again
liberals should stick with the other stuff
Of course, promoting Big Lies is a leftist thing...

so keep up the good work
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Ah yes selective polling in attempt to prove your invalid point
You should try one of those Daily Kos polls, they are bound
to have the exact number you need.

Besides, your argument went from 20% of the population to 20% of republicans
You are still wrong on both arguments.

Real Clear has an average of polls, including you biased selection showing
average of 29%

So you are still wrong

Using your new method of selection
Fox News poll has him at 34% as well
You are still wrong

Indeed, like I said and your posts seem to prove it
Stay away from math and stick with what you are good
at- the big lie
---------------------------------

Back to the original point

About 20% of Americans have mental illness
and about 20% identify as being liberal

just saying
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Once you are on disability....do you ever come off ?

This is starting to look like a huge scam.
Mindless CON$ervoFascist drones just parrot the lies of their MessiahRushie!

July 03, 2012
RUSH: You might be surprised to learn that you are never kicked off once you are enrolled. You are on it for life. So we now have 8.7 million "workers" (as the story says) on disability.
We have 8.7 million Americans who are living off of federal disability insurance payments, and can for the rest of their lives. I don't know how much money it is. I don't know what an average monthly benefit is. But all it takes to qualify for a disability now is a half-decent lawyer to make the case for you

Sick verses Disablement | Disability Condition
Of the 8 million collecting Social Security Disability Insurance benefits, more than 57 thousand go back to work every year.* Sadly, over 231,000 terminate their benefits by dying.
Average benefit payment is $1090 per month and median payment is right at $1000 per month.* Maximum possible benefit is just over $2,300 per month; Hardly the kind of money to live in luxury, especially if you have high medical costs.
I seriously doubt that the 8 million beneficiaries want to be poor and dependent on others the rest of their lives would you?

Looks like a whole lot of government agencies are saying it.
Disabled Americans Shrink Size of U.S. Labor Force - Bloomberg
“Workers on SSDI rarely return to the labor force, resulting in a loss to society of the economic contribution those workers could have made,” said the report, which was written by the National Economic Council, Domestic Policy Council, Labor Department and President’s Council of Economic Advisers. “Thus, keeping the long-term unemployed in the labor force should be a priority.”

More than 99 percent of all SSDI beneficiaries remain in the program until retirement age, David Greenlaw, a managing director in New York at Morgan Stanley, wrote in a March research note, citing government data. The program provides an average of $1,111 in monthly income to eligible workers with a physical or mental impairment that will last at least 12 months or result in death, according to Social Security.
 
Polls are nearly useless.
However it says a lot that none of the right wing candidates have gotten Bush to publically endorse them or speak for them.
 
CON$ervoFascists are sooooooo predictable, they just keep repeating the same lies over and over again. This is the same discredited WSJ propaganda repeated by another source.

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
Adolf Hitler

Sure...just ignore the possibility that if enough are saying it....it just might be true.

But if it doesn't fit the Obamaisthechosenone lemming talking points.

It must be false. :trolls:
 
Ed, I don't know you, but your stating WSJ has lost credibility makes you appear nothing more then a crank.

The Wall Street Journal is an American English-language international daily newspaper. It is published in New York City by Dow Jones & Company, a division of News Corporation, along with the Asian and European editions of the Journal.

The Journal is the largest newspaper in the United States, by circulation
. According to the Audit Bureau of Circulations, it has a circulation of 2.1 million copies (including 400,000 online paid subscriptions), as of March 2010,[2] compared to USA Today's 1.8 million. Its main rival, in the business newspaper sector, is the London-based Financial Times, which also publishes several international editions.

The Journal primarily covers American economic and international business topics, and financial news and issues. Its name derives from Wall Street, located in New York City, which is the heart of the financial district; it has been printed continuously since its inception on July 8, 1889, by Charles Dow, Edward Jones, and Charles Bergstresser. The newspaper version has won the Pulitzer Prize thirty-three times,[3] including 2007 prizes for its reporting on backdated stock options and the adverse effects of China's booming economy.

The Wall Street Journal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Your own link makes a liar out of you. the old WSJ won ALL those prizes BEFORE Murdoch took over in Dec 2007. Since then it has been nothing but a right-wing propaganda rag.

From your own link:

On December 13, 2007, shareholders representing more than 60 percent of Dow Jones's voting stock approved the company's acquisition by News Corp.[24]
In an editorial page column, publisher L. Gordon Crovitz said the Bancrofts and News Corp. had agreed that the Journal's news and opinion sections would preserve their editorial independence from their new corporate parent:[25]
A special committee was established to oversee the Journal's editorial integrity. When the managing editor Marcus Brauchli resigned on April 22, 2008, the committee said that News Corporation had violated its agreement by not notifying the committee earlier. However, Brauchli said he believed that new owners should appoint their own editor.[26]
A 2007 Journal article quoted charges that Murdoch had made and broken similar promises in the past. One large shareholder commented that Murdoch has long "expressed his personal, political and business biases through his newspapers and television stations." Former Times assistant editor Fred Emery remembers an incident when "Mr. Murdoch called him into his office in March 1982 and said he was considering firing Times editor Harold Evans. Mr. Emery says he reminded Mr. Murdoch of his promise that editors couldn't be fired without the independent directors' approval. 'God, you don't take all that seriously, do you?' Mr. Murdoch answered, according to Mr. Emery." Murdoch eventually forced out Evans.[27] Coincidentally, 2007 was also the last year that the Wall Street Journal won any Pulitzer prizes.

Shooting the messenger does not change the facts.
 
We need 100,000 jobs a month to stay even, not 250,000.

Insensitive.
There are 14 million or so who'd like ONE job.
What do you say to them?

Fallacy. Appeal to suffering. While there may be many people hoping for a job, the fact of their suffering does not change the math.

Doesn't change the facts either.
The whining from the left offers only one conclusion. Increase taxes and the size of government.
That is no solution. It is creation of the another set of problems.
 
Insensitive.
There are 14 million or so who'd like ONE job.
What do you say to them?

Fallacy. Appeal to suffering. While there may be many people hoping for a job, the fact of their suffering does not change the math.

Doesn't change the facts either.
The whining from the left offers only one conclusion. Increase taxes and the size of government.
That is no solution. It is creation of the another set of problems.

Indeed

The majority are still against this faux legacy for Papa Obama
and polls show he go no bounce from the ruling

CNN POLL: …NO BOUNCE ON HEALTH CARE From Ruling

NO BOUNCE: POLL SHOWS OBAMACARE RULING DID NOT HELP OBAMA

The Left should be careful what they wish for

Having the biggest regressive tax increase in history
passed is nothing to be happy about....

Especially with the poor job Papa Obama is doing on the economy
To think the Democrats and Papa Obama wasted all that time to pass a tax
increase when they have been doing more and better things to help the economy
 
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Mindless CON$ervoFascist drones just parrot the lies of their MessiahRushie!

July 03, 2012
RUSH: You might be surprised to learn that you are never kicked off once you are enrolled. You are on it for life. So we now have 8.7 million "workers" (as the story says) on disability.
We have 8.7 million Americans who are living off of federal disability insurance payments, and can for the rest of their lives. I don't know how much money it is. I don't know what an average monthly benefit is. But all it takes to qualify for a disability now is a half-decent lawyer to make the case for you

Sick verses Disablement | Disability Condition
Of the 8 million collecting Social Security Disability Insurance benefits, more than 57 thousand go back to work every year.* Sadly, over 231,000 terminate their benefits by dying.
Average benefit payment is $1090 per month and median payment is right at $1000 per month.* Maximum possible benefit is just over $2,300 per month; Hardly the kind of money to live in luxury, especially if you have high medical costs.
I seriously doubt that the 8 million beneficiaries want to be poor and dependent on others the rest of their lives would you?

Do you realize that you're quoting a Blog started by a husband and wife team that are benefiting from Social Security Disability and that they fail to source ANY of their information?
And by "benefiting" you mean he is disabled and collecting a small amount of the money he paid into the SS system for 33 years.


You highlighted the wrong portion.

They fail to source ANY of their information.
 
Do you realize that you're quoting a Blog started by a husband and wife team that are benefiting from Social Security Disability and that they fail to source ANY of their information?

Guess they might know a little more about it than you then, eh?

Yea. Because no one I know is drawing disability.
You speak of things you know NOTHING about.
:eusa_hand:

They do not source their stats (period)
 
Mindless CON$ervoFascist drones just parrot the lies of their MessiahRushie!

July 03, 2012
RUSH: You might be surprised to learn that you are never kicked off once you are enrolled. You are on it for life. So we now have 8.7 million "workers" (as the story says) on disability.
We have 8.7 million Americans who are living off of federal disability insurance payments, and can for the rest of their lives. I don't know how much money it is. I don't know what an average monthly benefit is. But all it takes to qualify for a disability now is a half-decent lawyer to make the case for you

Sick verses Disablement | Disability Condition
Of the 8 million collecting Social Security Disability Insurance benefits, more than 57 thousand go back to work every year.* Sadly, over 231,000 terminate their benefits by dying.
Average benefit payment is $1090 per month and median payment is right at $1000 per month.* Maximum possible benefit is just over $2,300 per month; Hardly the kind of money to live in luxury, especially if you have high medical costs.
I seriously doubt that the 8 million beneficiaries want to be poor and dependent on others the rest of their lives would you?

Do you realize that you're quoting a Blog started by a husband and wife team that are benefiting from Social Security Disability and that they fail to source ANY of their information?
And by "benefiting" you mean he is disabled and collecting a small amount of the money he paid into the SS system for 33 years.

Get this straight. We do not "pay into" Social Security. SS is a TAX.
"Pay into" indicates a directing of funds by the owner of said funds.
For example..People that have IRA's , 401k's or other annuities which have scheduled deposits "pay into" those accounts. They OWN the money and it is returned in full plus earnings, on demand.
On the other hand, Social Security is deducted from the worker's pay never to be seen again. The worker has no choice but to have the money taken from his earnings. Additionally, the worker is NOT entitled in full to the money taken from him.
Essentially the federal government takes the 7.5% of the workers wages and spends it how it sees fit. Then funds the "accounts" ( term used very loosely) with IOU's.
There is no "account" There is no "SS trust fund". The money does not exist. Not in the way the other instruments mentioned above.
Ironically the federal government requires those instruments to be fully funded at all times. Otherwise, they would be Ponzi schemes.
SS is a Ponzi scheme.
 
Do you realize that you're quoting a Blog started by a husband and wife team that are benefiting from Social Security Disability and that they fail to source ANY of their information?
And by "benefiting" you mean he is disabled and collecting a small amount of the money he paid into the SS system for 33 years.

Get this straight. We do not "pay into" Social Security. SS is a TAX.
"Pay into" indicates a directing of funds by the owner of said funds.
For example..People that have IRA's , 401k's or other annuities which have scheduled deposits "pay into" those accounts. They OWN the money and it is returned in full plus earnings, on demand.
On the other hand, Social Security is deducted from the worker's pay never to be seen again. The worker has no choice but to have the money taken from his earnings. Additionally, the worker is NOT entitled in full to the money taken from him.
Essentially the federal government takes the 7.5% of the workers wages and spends it how it sees fit. Then funds the "accounts" ( term used very loosely) with IOU's.
There is no "account" There is no "SS trust fund". The money does not exist. Not in the way the other instruments mentioned above.
Ironically the federal government requires those instruments to be fully funded at all times. Otherwise, they would be Ponzi schemes.
SS is a Ponzi scheme.
How many times have I said that CON$ervoFascists are always on both sides of every issue depending on which way the wind blows at the time??? When CON$ want to claim that 47% pay no taxes they claim the SS tax is not a tax because it is a fund that will be paid back to you with interest so only income taxes can be counted as a tax. But when CON$ want to claim that Obama is trying to destroy SS, suddenly payroll taxes are really taxes and are the only taxes that fund SS.

So the only people who ever deny that SS is a tax has been the CON$ to make it look like the rich pay a greater % in taxes than they actually do!!!

In any case, that does not change the fact that the guy paid a SS tax for 33 years and is therefore collecting disability insurance he paid for.
 
Was someone looking for another source? I have several.

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3.1 Million Workers Join Disability Ranks Vs. 2.6 Million That Got Jobs In Obama Recovery - Investors.com

However, the Disability Insurance (DI) program satisfies neither the long-range test nor the short-range test. DI costs have exceeded non-interest income since 2005, and the Trustees project trust fund exhaustion in 2016, two years earlier than projected last year. The DI program faces the most immediate financing shortfall of any of the separate trust funds; thus lawmakers need to act soon to avoid reduced payments to DI beneficiaries four years from now.

Trustees Report Summary
 

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