8 Cases Where Mishandling of Classified Information Went Unpunished

[Smokin' OP]

Except that it is perfectly legal for ex-presidents to have copies of any classified docs they want.
All they have to do is give themselves copies when president.
And all presidents do just that.
It is ex-presidents who run presidential libraries, write memoirs, etc., not NARA.
NARA is totally subservient to an ex-president and does what the ex-president wants.

You're FOS.
Classified documents or ANY documents of the president have to be approved by NARA and depending on the subject matter, the department that the document involves.

ONCE it is approved, and declassified, THEN, the president can display it in his library.

 

[Smokin' OP]

All ex-presidents have copies of classified docs and they keep them for their presidential libraries or for writing their memoirs.

NO, they don't.

 

[berg80]

Trump’s Document Stash Put American Lives at Risk​

THE CLASSIFIEDS DOCUMENTS THAT Donald Trump is charged with mishandling were marked “SECRET” or “TOP SECRET,” the highest classification we afford our nation’s secrets. By definition, the uncontrolled release of that information could be expected to cause “serious” or “exceptionally grave” damage (respectively) to our national security. As bad as that sounds, it gets worse: According to the indictment against Trump, eight of the TOP SECRET documents may have had information about or derived from so-called Special Access Programs (SAPs). The sensitivity of these documents was so great that prosecutors were obliged to redact even the codewords on the documents. The implication is that even publicly acknowledging the codenames of these projects, without discussing their operations at all, was deemed a great security risk.

These included documents about the nuclear capabilities of another country, military attacks by a foreign country, the military capabilities of a foreign country, the timeline and details of an attack in a foreign country, the regional military activity of a foreign country, the military activity of foreign countries and the United States, and military activity in a foreign country.

Trump’s Document Stash Put American Lives at Risk

The Mar-a-Lago documents included information on ‘Special Access Programs,’ the release of which could endanger American military and intelligence personnel.

plus.thebulwark.com

Yes, Bill Clinton kept tapes in his sock drawer. Here's why Trump's case is different.

• President Bill Clinton was interviewed by a historian while he was in office. Clinton kept the audiotapes in his sock drawer.
• Judicial Watch, a conservative group, asked the court in 2010 to declare the tapes presidential records under the Presidential Records Act. The group wanted the National Archives to assume custody of the tapes and put them in the Clinton presidential library.
• U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled against Judicial Watch. She wrote that the act distinguishes official presidential records from personal records.

Clinton’s sock drawer case not equal to Trump documents case

As former President Donald Trump defended himself against federal charges involving classified documents, he described w

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What else you got? Nitwit.

 

[The Duke]

The problem with what Hillary did was not just using the private email server instead of the require state department encrypted server.
The main problem is that she was not president, VP, or have a security clearance, so was not supposed to have any classified docs at all.
And even worse if that she put these classified docs on an unencrypted email server that was trivial to hack from anywhere in the world.
And the worst was destroying all the evidence.

About that..No.

I always wondered what it was and then I found out and it was damn secure.

It was a Cisco server setup with a hardware firewall. It was encrypted. It would be a very hard hack,

if not an impossible hack.

That's just a hair lower than as if I or somebody else that knows things set it up. That's very secure.

She didn't have clearance and all that stuff was supposed to go through a government server, though.

Furthermore, classified stuff ended up on Carlos Danger's computer somehow.

 

[The Duke]

NO, they don't.

All presidents have had things like that. All of a sudden it's OK for the president in power to go after the ex-president for it because

he's the favorite for the next election? No.

I take it abstract thinking is not one of your strong suits.

Every president has taken home some kind of classified papers. Every. Single. One.

 

[Billiejeens]

So all the others on the list committed a crime too?

So what will America do with all these "secret" criminals, or does America hold certain people above the law?

In general,
Democrats are not subject to penalties for breaking US law.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

All presidents have had things like that. All of a sudden it's OK for the president in power to go after the ex-president for it because

he's the favorite for the next election? No.

I take it abstract thinking is not one of your strong suits.

Every president has taken home some kind of classified papers. Every. Single. One.

1. Tump is the favorite to take the GOP and then favored to lose by 7-9% to Biden.

2. Every other President gave back documents when asked. They did not lie, obstruct, or move them around.

 

[Rigby5]

If Trump had them legitimately, why did he lie and why did he hide them? He has a boatload of lawyers, he could have fought the case in the courts. As Nixon learned, it is not the crime, it is the cover up.

The box count was about 150.
Each box can hold over 100 docs easily.
That is a total of 15,000 docs.
So they found 71 that were classified.
What are the odds that Trump even knew there were any classified docs in the mix?

And unlike Nixon, Trump did not plan a break in to illegally commit a crime.
Trump did nothing remotely wrong and harmed no one.
Those 71 classified docs were safer at Mar-a-Lago than at the White House, where unpaid interns conduct hourly public tours.

 

[Rigby5]

1. Tump is the favorite to take the GOP and then favored to lose by 7-9% to Biden.

2. Every other President gave back documents when asked. They did not lie, obstruct, or move them around.

Wrong.
You seem to forget that Hillary, Joe Biden, and Mike Pence were not presidents when they illegally stole classified documents and hid them for years.
They had no security clearance and were not even supposed to have any classified docs at all.
Their crimes are about a gazillion times worse than Trump, who was legally authorized to have all the classified docs he wanted.

 

[LeftofLeft]

You forgot Hillary



I liked it at the end when Comey said that even though Hillary should not be held accountable for it, that anyone that did similar things in the future cannot be expected to be treated with kid gloves like they handled her as they most likely would wind up in jail.

That statement alone is very disturbing.

 

[Mac1958]

In how many of those cases did the person go back and forth with Archives and the DOJ for over a year and half?

In how many of those cases did the person lie about having any outstanding documents for a year and a half?

In how many of those cases did the person wave highly classified docs in front of people who shouldn't be seeing them?

In how many of those cases did the person instruct his people to move the documents so they were not found by the Feds?

In how many of those cases did the person have attorneys tell their people to sign a sworn affidavit instead of signing them themselves?

In how many of those cases did the person first say they were planted, and then say that he took them and had every right to?

The rubes are either outright lying or dangerously ignorant. Or both. As usual.

 

[SavannahMann]

If you took away false equivalency from the RW they would have nothing left to argue.

 

[Smokin' OP]

All presidents have had things like that.

Of course, you have a link?

All of a sudden it's OK for the president in power to go after the ex-president for it because

he's the favorite for the next election? No.

WTF?
All presidents go after candidates for president.
It's called campaigning.

I take it abstract thinking is not one of your strong suits.

Your "thinking" isn't your strong suit, period.

Every president has taken home some kind of classified papers. Every. Single. One.

So, of course you have a link?
Likely.
But who was the president that declared the papers, his?
Who was the president who declared the papers declassified with his mind?
Who was the president that refused to give the papers back?

 

[berg80]

Furthermore, classified stuff ended up on Carlos Danger's computer somehow.

FBI Director James Comey revealed Wednesday that Hillary Clinton emails containing classified information were “somehow” being forwarded to former congressman Anthony Weiner by his wife and top Clinton aide, Huma Abedin.

Comey provided new details to Congress about how Clinton’s emails ended up on Weiner’s computer as the FBI director strongly defended his decision to alert Congress just days before the 2016 election about his agency’s investigation into emails potentially related to Clinton’s personal server.

“The team also told me we cannot finish this work before the election and then they worked night after night after night and they found thousands of new emails, they found classified info on Anthony Weiner,” Comey said while responding to a question from Sen. Dianne Feinstein at a Senate judiciary committee hearing.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/03/politics/james-comey-hearing-huma-abedin-forwarding-classified-information/index.html

 

[CowboyTed]

So the crime on the books, per the law, is not having classified information, but keeping them when asked. Hiding tapes in drawers is not classed as hiding

Any chance of linking your bizarre post to a specific part of the law?

Jack Smith asked everyone read the indictment, you obviously didn't... Trump admitted that he took them on purpose on TV (when he said he owned them) but he is still not getting charged for doing that..

"Trump with a total of 37 counts, including 31 separate instances of “willful retention of national defense information”, as well as conspiracy to obstruct justice, and multiple counts related to withholding or concealing documents from a federal investigation, and a charge of making false statements and representations."

Jack Smith Faces Challenges In Prosecuting Trump

A lengthy trial in a high profile federal case is exactly what the Justice Department doesn’t want.

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Wilful Retention that is 31 of the charges... He has other serious charges and federal guidelines are putting him on 17yrs in prison.
As for the tapes, they are Bill Clinton private note, like a diary which the government doesn't own...
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) defines what constitutes “Presidential records” and what are “personal records.” 44 U.S.C. 2201. Personal records include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business.”

Frequently Asked Questions Concerning Presidential Records and the Presidential Records Act | National Archives

www.archives.gov

This is going to be a long trial, I suggest you get your information from somewhere else as your present source is feeding you BS...

 

[berg80]

Obstruction of justice. Here is the indictment which spells it all out. As Nixon learned, it was not the crime but the cover up that was the issue.

Well, in Nixon's case (and Trump's) the cover-up certainly made it worse. But without it there was still an underlying crime.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Jack Smith asked everyone read the indictment, you obviously didn't... Trump admitted that he took them on purpose on TV (when he said he owned them) but he is still not getting charged for doing that..

"Trump with a total of 37 counts, including 31 separate instances of “willful retention of national defense information”, as well as conspiracy to obstruct justice, and multiple counts related to withholding or concealing documents from a federal investigation, and a charge of making false statements and representations."

Jack Smith Faces Challenges In Prosecuting Trump

A lengthy trial in a high profile federal case is exactly what the Justice Department doesn’t want.

time.com

Wilful Retention that is 31 of the charges... He has other serious charges and federal guidelines are putting him on 17yrs in prison.
As for the tapes, they are Bill Clinton private note, like a diary which the government doesn't own...
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) defines what constitutes “Presidential records” and what are “personal records.” 44 U.S.C. 2201. Personal records include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business.”

Frequently Asked Questions Concerning Presidential Records and the Presidential Records Act | National Archives

www.archives.gov

This is going to be a long trial, I suggest you get your information from somewhere else as your present source is feeding you BS...

But "truth" social and Trump know the law, better than the lawyers, prosecutors and judges.
That's why Trump can't keep a lawyer.

 

[Billiejeens]

But "truth" social and Trump know the law, better than the lawyers, prosecutors and judges.
That's why Trump can't keep a lawyer.

The problem with Trump retaining lawyers is that the ABA has threatened to ruin any Lawyers that work with him.

You are so close to having your banana Republican that you can probably taste it, yes?

 

[Smokin' OP]

The problem with Trump retaining lawyers is that the ABA has threatened to ruin any Lawyers that work with him.

That wasn't the ABA, that was Trump.
Trump guarantees to ruin any lawyers reputation by trying to defend the retard.
The more the idiot talks and brags, the less of a defense they have, except claiming "My client is an imbecile and is not competent enough to stand trial".

You are so close to having your banana Republican that you can probably taste it, yes?

I know, teabaggers tried to turn the US into one.

Then, they tried again.

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[Captain Caveman]

alang1216 , no reply to post #7? I wonder why