8 Cases Where Mishandling of Classified Information Went Unpunished

[Captain Caveman]

Jack Smith asked everyone read the indictment, you obviously didn't... Trump admitted that he took them on purpose on TV (when he said he owned them) but he is still not getting charged for doing that..

"Trump with a total of 37 counts, including 31 separate instances of “willful retention of national defense information”, as well as conspiracy to obstruct justice, and multiple counts related to withholding or concealing documents from a federal investigation, and a charge of making false statements and representations."

Jack Smith Faces Challenges In Prosecuting Trump

A lengthy trial in a high profile federal case is exactly what the Justice Department doesn’t want.

time.com

Wilful Retention that is 31 of the charges... He has other serious charges and federal guidelines are putting him on 17yrs in prison.
As for the tapes, they are Bill Clinton private note, like a diary which the government doesn't own...
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) defines what constitutes “Presidential records” and what are “personal records.” 44 U.S.C. 2201. Personal records include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business.”

Frequently Asked Questions Concerning Presidential Records and the Presidential Records Act | National Archives

www.archives.gov

This is going to be a long trial, I suggest you get your information from somewhere else as your present source is feeding you BS...

So is hiding tapes in a drawer wilful retention?

 

[The Duke]

So is hiding tapes in a drawer wilful retention?

They were his tapes. NARA has no authority to demand things of an ex-president, especially if he has them in his possession.

 

[Billiejeens]

That wasn't the ABA, that was Trump.
Trump guarantees to ruin any lawyers reputation by trying to defend the retard.
The more the idiot talks and brags, the less of a defense they have, except claiming "My client is an imbecile and is not competent enough to stand trial".

I know, teabaggers tried to turn the US into one.

Then, they tried again.

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There is a whole world out there, outside of your bubble.
The bubble has severely stunted your abilities.

 

[jknowgood]

1. Tump is the favorite to take the GOP and then favored to lose by 7-9% to Biden.

2. Every other President gave back documents when asked. They did not lie, obstruct, or move them around.

Obama still has the files he was suppose to record. After the doj asked for them.

 

[Rigby5]

You're FOS.
Classified documents or ANY documents of the president have to be approved by NARA and depending on the subject matter, the department that the document involves.

ONCE it is approved, and declassified, THEN, the president can display it in his library.

Wrong.
NARA is beneath presidents, and has no authority over them.
It is only there to help, and to satisfy FOIA.
While all documents are supposed to be declassified as soon as possible, presidential libraries always contain some classified docs that can never be declassified.
Presidential libraries do NOT put everything "on display".
They have private, classified sections.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Obama still has the files he was suppose to record. After the doj asked for them.

If so, he deserves them, whereas Trump should be dropped in the sewer.

 

[jknowgood]

If so, he deserves them, whereas Trump should be dropped in the sewer.

Thanks for proving you're a hypocrite.

 

[Rigby5]

In how many of those cases did the person go back and forth with Archives and the DOJ for over a year and half?

In how many of those cases did the person lie about having any outstanding documents for a year and a half?

In how many of those cases did the person wave highly classified docs in front of people who shouldn't be seeing them?

In how many of those cases did the person instruct his people to move the documents so they were not found by the Feds?

In how many of those cases did the person have attorneys tell their people to sign a sworn affidavit instead of signing them themselves?

In how many of those cases did the person first say they were planted, and then say that he took them and had every right to?

The rubes are either outright lying or dangerously ignorant. Or both. As usual.

Wrong.
Trump legally can have any documents he wants, since he was president.
These other cases were not presidents, so had no legal authority to even look at classified docs, much less steal them and keep them.
That is at least a gazillion times more criminal.

Trump had every legal right to hide and move those boxes because they mostly had his attorney/client privilege docs.

The classified docs they did find were just background material sent to weekly cabinet briefings, and were insignificant.
Trump probably did not even know they got mixed in, since there were only 71 classified docs, out of over 15,000 total docs.
And yes, it was perfectly legal for Trump to keep classified doc copies, as long as FOIA is satisfied by another copy.

 

[Mac1958]

Wrong.
Trump legally can have any documents he wants, since he was president.
These other cases were not presidents, so had no legal authority to even look at classified docs, much less steal them and keep them.
That is at least a gazillion times more criminal.

Trump had every legal right to hide and move those boxes because they mostly had his attorney/client privilege docs.

The classified docs they did find were just background material sent to weekly cabinet briefings, and were insignificant.
Trump probably did not even know they got mixed in, since there were only 71 classified docs, out of over 15,000 total docs.
And yes, it was perfectly legal for Trump to keep classified doc copies, as long as FOIA is satisfied by another copy.

Did you answer any of my questions? I can't tell.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Thanks for proving you're a hypocrite.

Obama is an American, whereas Trump is a Trumpian out only for himself.

Vegas odds have your boy going to jail at higher than 70%. I think that is low.

 

[The Duke]

If so, he deserves them, whereas Trump should be dropped in the sewer.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, those who support Trump are measured at

 

[Smokin' OP]

There is a whole world out there, outside of your bubble.
The bubble has severely stunted your abilities.

Really?
The ABA is stopping lawyers from representing the orange traitor?
I'll steer clear of the Q-NUT world.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Wrong.
NARA is beneath presidents, and has no authority over them.
It is only there to help, and to satisfy FOIA.
While all documents are supposed to be declassified as soon as possible, presidential libraries always contain some classified docs that can never be declassified.
Presidential libraries do NOT put everything "on display".
They have private, classified sections.

The Presidential Records Act of 1978 established that all presidential records are owned by the public and automatically transfer into the custody of the National Archives as soon as a commander-in-chief leaves office. All presidential libraries and museums are part of the National Archives.

 

[Rigby5]

About that..No.

I always wondered what it was and then I found out and it was damn secure.

It was a Cisco server setup with a hardware firewall. It was encrypted. It would be a very hard hack,

if not an impossible hack.

That's just a hair lower than as if I or somebody else that knows things set it up. That's very secure.

She didn't have clearance and all that stuff was supposed to go through a government server, though.

Furthermore, classified stuff ended up on Carlos Danger's computer somehow.

Actually, trivial to hack.
She had dozens of unpaid interns all using the same server for email, so all a hacker had to do was send them emails that had a button one of them pushed.
Cisco encryption is only good between 2 Cisco encrypted sites.
Since Hillary was sending email with classified docs to other people who did not have a Cisco encrypted server, then encryption can not be used and the email were plain text.

 

[Billiejeens]

Obama still has the files he was suppose to record. After the doj asked for them.

Obama is a Democrat.

 

[Rigby5]

The Presidential Records Act of 1978 established that all presidential records are owned by the public and automatically transfer into the custody of the National Archives as soon as a commander-in-chief leaves office. All presidential libraries and museums are part of the National Archives.

But "presidential records" are things that record or reflect things done BY a president, and do NOT at all include the copies of classified docs sent TO a president for weekly cabinet briefings.
And NARA and PRA are satisfied with copies, not necessary originals, nor do they preclude presidents retaining their own personal copies for memoirs, etc.
Presidential libraries are part of the National Archives, but that does not mean they own the contents.
The ex-president retains full ownership rights, and dictates everything about the library, such as where it will be even.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Obama is a Democrat.

You two are lying again.

 

[Billiejeens]

You two are lying again.

Obama is not a Democrat?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Obama is not a Democrat?

Smarmy makes you look stupid.