73% of Republicans think Tariffs will help the US

[jc456]

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

Here's a poll of economists:

• A survey from the National Association for Business Economics found that nearly 76% of economists thought that President Donald Trump's trade policies would be a negative for the US economy.
• Only 12% of those asked thought the president's tariffs and trade policies would boost the economy.

Trump's trade battles are behind a huge shift in how some of America's top economists feel about the economy

I didn't see in there any benefit of people getting off of government money like welfare and food stamps. you know, those savings.

Maybe because you made up the benefits? You fucking moron.

you're saying there aren't people on welfare or food stamps? ouch dude, that's out there.

 

[bendog]

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

Here's a poll of economists:

• A survey from the National Association for Business Economics found that nearly 76% of economists thought that President Donald Trump's trade policies would be a negative for the US economy.
• Only 12% of those asked thought the president's tariffs and trade policies would boost the economy.

Trump's trade battles are behind a huge shift in how some of America's top economists feel about the economy

I didn't see in there any benefit of people getting off of government money like welfare and food stamps. you know, those savings.

Maybe because you made up the benefits? You fucking moron.

Has anyone pointed out that unemployment data only counts people looking for jobs? LOL

How the Government Measures Unemployment

 

[Reasonable]

As more and more people get hurt his base will erode. They don’t care he’s a traitor to the country but when it affects their pocketbook, that’s a whole new ball game.

 

[Reasonable]

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

Here's a poll of economists:

• A survey from the National Association for Business Economics found that nearly 76% of economists thought that President Donald Trump's trade policies would be a negative for the US economy.
• Only 12% of those asked thought the president's tariffs and trade policies would boost the economy.

Trump's trade battles are behind a huge shift in how some of America's top economists feel about the economy

I didn't see in there any benefit of people getting off of government money like welfare and food stamps. you know, those savings.

Maybe because you made up the benefits? You fucking moron.

you're saying there aren't people on welfare or food stamps? ouch dude, that's out there.

He didn’t say that JC. I see you’re still as slow as a worm with your thinking skills.

 

[jc456]

c

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

Here's a poll of economists:

• A survey from the National Association for Business Economics found that nearly 76% of economists thought that President Donald Trump's trade policies would be a negative for the US economy.
• Only 12% of those asked thought the president's tariffs and trade policies would boost the economy.

Trump's trade battles are behind a huge shift in how some of America's top economists feel about the economy

I didn't see in there any benefit of people getting off of government money like welfare and food stamps. you know, those savings.

Maybe because you made up the benefits? You fucking moron.

you're saying there aren't people on welfare or food stamps? ouch dude, that's out there.

He didn’t say that JC. I see you’re still as slow as a worm with your thinking skills.

he said I made it up. I didn't make up welfare and food stamps. here is what he said. perhaps you should learn english.

Maybe because you made up the benefits?

 

[Reasonable]

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

100% of fat boi’s cabinet think tariffs are harmful to America.

 

[jc456]

As more and more people get hurt his base will erode. They don’t care he’s a traitor to the country but when it affects their pocketbook, that’s a whole new ball game.

Aerosmith has a titled song for you "Dream On"

 

[jc456]

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

100% of fat boi’s cabinet think tariffs are harmful to America.

100%? are you embellishing?

 

[mikegriffith1]

America thrived and became an economic powerhouse behind the protection of high tariffs--for decades. China has done very well by following an ardently protectionist trade policy.

 

[bendog]

America thrived and became an economic powerhouse behind the protection of high tariffs--for decades. China has done very well by following an ardently protectionist trade policy.

Works well if you have sweat shops. Not so good if you have inflation.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

America thrived and became an economic powerhouse behind the protection of high tariffs--for decades. China has done very well by following an ardently protectionist trade policy.

China does so because they have a socialist market economy. Is that the model you would like to see the US adopt as well?

Should we become more like China?


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[jc456]

America thrived and became an economic powerhouse behind the protection of high tariffs--for decades. China has done very well by following an ardently protectionist trade policy.

China does so because they have a socialist market economy. Is that the model you would like to see the US adopt as well?

Should we become more like China?


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nope, we should tell our unions to stop asking for money for fees. oh wait, the SC just told the unions to fk off. I bet salary structures change. doesn't happen overnight. you should know that.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

America thrived and became an economic powerhouse behind the protection of high tariffs--for decades. China has done very well by following an ardently protectionist trade policy.

China does so because they have a socialist market economy. Is that the model you would like to see the US adopt as well?

Should we become more like China?


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nope, we should tell our unions to stop asking for money for fees. oh wait, the SC just told the unions to fk off. I bet salary structures change. doesn't happen overnight. you should know that.

Why would non-union members not being forced to pay dues affect the salary structure?

 

[bendog]

America thrived and became an economic powerhouse behind the protection of high tariffs--for decades. China has done very well by following an ardently protectionist trade policy.

China does so because they have a socialist market economy. Is that the model you would like to see the US adopt as well?

Should we become more like China?


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The US isn't going to be Jina, at least for awhile, thank God.

The thread morphed into a discussion about the effects of tariffs. Then it went off on JC's misunderstanding of full employment and the interplay between that and tariffs.

Then, the thread was hijacked by JC's interposing the irrelevancy of people who collect welfare and don't work. These people are not even counted as unemployed, nor do they have much to do with the effects of Tariffs. Perhaps their benefits should be cut, but that's irrelevant to tariffs and the gop.

Trump supporters contend tariffs will raise prices and cause companies to make goods here, which will increase employment and raise wages. Of course JC contended that tariffs might not increase costs, but .... let's ignore that. lol

But there is a certain logic to the tariff idea. It won't always work. For example steel. We already make all of the recycled steel we use, and we recycle all of the steel available for recycling. We do not make much of the steel that comes from those old style blast furnaces, because we don't have many since most have shut down since the 80s, and are hardly state of the art efficient today. And US Steel isn't gonna spend billions on a factory that would be bankrupt without tariffs that can be taken away by the next potus's pen.

Still, who's to say some kinds of jobs might come back? Some textiles .... maybe. Pretty low wages, and not much factory cost in maftring rugs or teeshirts. And a corp can always just put capital in a new corp, move back overseas, and bankrupt the old one. It's not like they didn't do that before.

BUT HERE'S THE MATH PART. NAIRU - Wikipedia

Simply put, there's no concrete % of what is full employment at every given point in time. However, the rate of inflation generally has an inverse correlation with the rate of employment. That's not always true. But it was the basis for the Phillips Curve, which if you're as old as I am, you may have heard of (-:

This newfangled Nairu thingajig is premised upon inflation rising as some point of employment is passed. We get to an unemployment rate so low that it is not optimal to the relationship between the % or workers employed to inflation. But the % will vary from time to time. And the % of full employment will vary form time to time.

Tariffs will raise prices. And we have about doubled the amount of inflationary spending in the federal government because when we spend more than we tax WE BORROW. That means there are more dollars in the economy because people LOAN US THIER MONEY FOR OUR DEBT. So we have more dollars buying shit. That raises prices.

AND WE PAY THEM INTEREST FOR THAT. To get to give us money, we pay MORE interest.

And as prices go up, the Fed will also RAISE interest rates because the Fed HATES inflation above whatever figure the Nairu is. And that means people lose jobs because people will stop buying shit when the costs get high enough.

So at some point rates will drive down employment. We were aiming for a "soft landing" before Trump and his Tariff bullshit.

And Xi in china offered to trim about half or a third of the trade imbalance.

 

[otto105]

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

It just again confirms the gop as the party of stupid.

 

[otto105]

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

republicans are tired of other countries stealing our country's profits. why is that so difficult for you?

Posts the guy who shops at Walmart for cheap Chinese goods.

 

[edward37]

America thrived and became an economic powerhouse behind the protection of high tariffs--for decades. China has done very well by following an ardently protectionist trade policy.

China does so because they have a socialist market economy. Is that the model you would like to see the US adopt as well?

Should we become more like China?


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The US isn't going to be Jina, at least for awhile, thank God.

The thread morphed into a discussion about the effects of tariffs. Then it went off on JC's misunderstanding of full employment and the interplay between that and tariffs.

Then, the thread was hijacked by JC's interposing the irrelevancy of people who collect welfare and don't work. These people are not even counted as unemployed, nor do they have much to do with the effects of Tariffs. Perhaps their benefits should be cut, but that's irrelevant to tariffs and the gop.

Trump supporters contend tariffs will raise prices and cause companies to make goods here, which will increase employment and raise wages. Of course JC contended that tariffs might not increase costs, but .... let's ignore that. lol

But there is a certain logic to the tariff idea. It won't always work. For example steel. We already make all of the recycled steel we use, and we recycle all of the steel available for recycling. We do not make much of the steel that comes from those old style blast furnaces, because we don't have many since most have shut down since the 80s, and are hardly state of the art efficient today. And US Steel isn't gonna spend billions on a factory that would be bankrupt without tariffs that can be taken away by the next potus's pen.

Still, who's to say some kinds of jobs might come back? Some textiles .... maybe. Pretty low wages, and not much factory cost in maftring rugs or teeshirts. And a corp can always just put capital in a new corp, move back overseas, and bankrupt the old one. It's not like they didn't do that before.

BUT HERE'S THE MATH PART. NAIRU - Wikipedia

Simply put, there's no concrete % of what is full employment at every given point in time. However, the rate of inflation generally has an inverse correlation with the rate of employment. That's not always true. But it was the basis for the Phillips Curve, which if you're as old as I am, you may have heard of (-:

This newfangled Nairu thingajig is premised upon inflation rising as some point of employment that is called full employment, but the % will vary from time to time. Tariffs will raise prices. And we have about doubled the amount of inflationary spending in the federal government because when we spend more than we tax WE BORROW. That means there are more dollars in the economy because people LOAN US THIER MONEY FOR OUT DEBT. AND WE PAY THEM INTEREST FOR THAT. To get to give us money, we pay MORE interest.

And as prices go up, the Fed will also RAISE interest rates because the Fed HATES inflation above whatever figure the Nairu is. And that means people lose jobs because people will stop buying shit when the costs get high enough.

They're already screaming in Iowa and N Dakota losing millions Beef soybeans etc prices falling Farmers going bankrupt Wonder who they voted for?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

America thrived and became an economic powerhouse behind the protection of high tariffs--for decades. China has done very well by following an ardently protectionist trade policy.

China does so because they have a socialist market economy. Is that the model you would like to see the US adopt as well?

Should we become more like China?


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The US isn't going to be Jina, at least for awhile, thank God.

The thread morphed into a discussion about the effects of tariffs. Then it went off on JC's misunderstanding of full employment and the interplay between that and tariffs.

Then, the thread was hijacked by JC's interposing the irrelevancy of people who collect welfare and don't work. These people are not even counted as unemployed, nor do they have much to do with the effects of Tariffs. Perhaps their benefits should be cut, but that's irrelevant to tariffs and the gop.

Trump supporters contend tariffs will raise prices and cause companies to make goods here, which will increase employment and raise wages. Of course JC contended that tariffs might not increase costs, but .... let's ignore that. lol

But there is a certain logic to the tariff idea. It won't always work. For example steel. We already make all of the recycled steel we use, and we recycle all of the steel available for recycling. We do not make much of the steel that comes from those old style blast furnaces, because we don't have many since most have shut down since the 80s, and are hardly state of the art efficient today. And US Steel isn't gonna spend billions on a factory that would be bankrupt without tariffs that can be taken away by the next potus's pen.

Still, who's to say some kinds of jobs might come back? Some textiles .... maybe. Pretty low wages, and not much factory cost in maftring rugs or teeshirts. And a corp can always just put capital in a new corp, move back overseas, and bankrupt the old one. It's not like they didn't do that before.

BUT HERE'S THE MATH PART. NAIRU - Wikipedia

Simply put, there's no concrete % of what is full employment at every given point in time. However, the rate of inflation generally has an inverse correlation with the rate of employment. That's not always true. But it was the basis for the Phillips Curve, which if you're as old as I am, you may have heard of (-:

This newfangled Nairu thingajig is premised upon inflation rising as some point of employment that is called full employment, but the % will vary from time to time. Tariffs will raise prices. And we have about doubled the amount of inflationary spending in the federal government because when we spend more than we tax WE BORROW. That means there are more dollars in the economy because people LOAN US THIER MONEY FOR OUT DEBT. AND WE PAY THEM INTEREST FOR THAT. To get to give us money, we pay MORE interest.

And as prices go up, the Fed will also RAISE interest rates because the Fed HATES inflation above whatever figure the Nairu is. And that means people lose jobs because people will stop buying shit when the costs get high enough.

They're already screaming in Iowa and N Dakota losing millions Beef soybeans etc prices falling Farmers going bankrupt Wonder who they voted for?

Pork Tariffs Sour Industry Outlook • farmdoc daily

The 2018 outlook early this year was for modest profitability. Now, it has shifted to losses. The reasons are clear. Higher costs and lost exports as China has implemented a 25 percent tariff on U.S. pork that goes into effect today, April 2, 2018.

 

[Mac1958]

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

I guess it depends on one's interpretation of the word "help".

If a temporary tariff war leads to mutual large-picture reduction of tariffs and more towards free trade, sure.

If tariffs remain where they are or keep escalating, a person would have to be pretty under-informed to thinks that's good.
.

 

[bendog]

As new tariffs take hold, more see negative than positive impact for the U.S.

77% dems say bad thing.

The poll doesn't differentiate tariffs on countries with manipulated currency and below cost prices, but it still strikes me as odd. The gop is now isolationist.

And look at the break between college and non-college educated. And white grads and non-grads

Strange days indeed.

I guess it depends on one's interpretation of the word "help".

If a temporary tariff war leads to mutual large-picture reduction of tariffs and more towards free trade, sure.

If tariffs remain where they are or keep escalating, a person would have to be pretty under-informed to thinks that's good.
.

yeah, there I agree. Hitting Jina for their currency manipulation and lowering the value of what their workers get with tariffs that would be removed if they took certain currency steps would be a good thing, imo