538 Analysis: Why the Democrats have shifted Left

[dblack]

There is no sane reason to think that Trump's, at worst, harsh language, would lead to an increase in "racism or sexism".

There's no sane way to say it wouldn't.

Except that even Max's source says it did not.


SO, you are the crazy one.

I don't feel crazy. When I listen to Trump speak, and I watch his followers react, I feel like an island of sanity in a nation of miscreants.

 

[evenflow1969]

They did not change. It is that the fringes of both parties are getting all the attention. Fuck the fringes!

Well, it may be that the fringes are getting larger, too.

Obviously this ugliness is metastasizing throughout our culture. It's everywhere now, from sports to freakin' restaurants.
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Ya, I know! I went to my home town bowling alley last last january. Was having a good time chatting with odl friends and even making some new ones when the discusion turned to politics. One of the guys remembered that my father was an elected official of the wrong party for the two guys I was talking to at the moment. Alcohol soked brains must of taken over because iut went from freindly to n ot in a hurry. I think they must of forgot tehy were not online. They were so angry they did not notice the size and hieght diference between us. They may have thought I was out numbered and forgot the the two guys with me dwarfed me when I dwarfed the two of them. They were also three sheets to the wind and we were not. It almost got hairy over nothing. The owner must have saw it coming becuase just as it was heating up the cops showed up and took the two off for drunk and disorderly. It has even split part of my extended family apart my mother and my favorite uncle do not talk right now over fucking politics. I hear the family argue about it all the time. Good news the family does not argue with me about it as I am normally the first call when they need help with some thing. NOt because I am smarter than any one but because I show up with out fail and with out complaint

 

[pknopp]

The centrist, big business democrats are the most cowardly jellyfish that ever pretended to fight for the common man. They buckled under pressure and made deep comprises at every turn. Only the progressives seem to have any courage or conviction. If the center is so great for America why did they seem to hardly ever accomplish anything for the working person?

You do realize that the Trumpsters say exactly the same kind of thing?

What is your opinion of President Obama going public with his concerns about the trajectory of the party? Don't you think him saying that in public is important?
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The guy that failed to live up to his every promise?

Not a fan, I take it. This is what I'm talking about.
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No not a fan. I supported 90% of what Candidate Obama ran on. I supported maybe 10% of what President Obama actually did.

Never would I have expected the Dems to dump Obama like this, especially this quickly.

This is what 538 is talking about.
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The Dems aren't dumping Obama. Those who support the ideas that initially got him elected are. Sadly it seems the Dem's don't actually support many of those ideas. They simply want a Dem elected.

 

[Mac1958]

The Dems aren't dumping Obama. Those who support the ideas that initially got him elected are. Sadly it seems the Dem's don't actually support many of those ideas. They simply want a Dem elected.

Semantics.

Both ends of the spectrum complain when any politician isn't pure enough. Suddenly that person is no longer a Democrat/Republican. Peas in a pod.

Obama is warning his party, and you're ignoring him and criticizing him. That's up to you.
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[pknopp]

The Dems aren't dumping Obama. Those who support the ideas that initially got him elected are. Sadly it seems the Dem's don't actually support many of those ideas. They simply want a Dem elected.

Semantics.

Both ends of the spectrum complain when any politician isn't pure enough. Suddenly that person is no longer a Democrat/Republican. Peas in a pod.

Obama is warning his party, and you're ignoring him and criticizing him. That's up to you.
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It has nothing to do with "pure enough". Obama not only did practically nothing he promised to do, he did the exact opposite. It's one thing to try and fail, it's quite another to do the exact opposite.

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe both sides are making the same mistake.

No, not really.

Here's the thing, if you had told Joe B of 2008, that in 2020, he'd be supporting someone as far left as Liz Warren, I'd have looked at you cockeyed.

That was before 12 years of dealing with Capitalists acting badly because they can.

Obama, at best, maintained the status quo and avoided upsetting Wall Street too much. He passed a few good laws that are almost all been repealed. So what was the point of the effort.

The ironic thing is I think both Trump and Bernie are reactions to Capitalists Acting Badly. Trump has just gone to the tried and true formula of getting stupid white people to blame people of color for their woes. (Workers in China, undocumented workers)

 

[dblack]

Maybe both sides are making the same mistake.

No, not really.

Here's the thing, if you had told Joe B of 2008, that in 2020, he'd be supporting someone as far left as Liz Warren, I'd have looked at you cockeyed.

That was before 12 years of dealing with Capitalists acting badly because they can.

Obama, at best, maintained the status quo and avoided upsetting Wall Street too much. He passed a few good laws that are almost all been repealed. So what was the point of the effort.

The ironic thing is I think both Trump and Bernie are reactions to Capitalists Acting Badly. Trump has just gone to the tried and true formula of getting stupid white people to blame people of color for their woes. (Workers in China, undocumented workers)

It's the same mistake in that they are focused on extreme change rather than consensus building. We need less thrashing between extremes. We need leadership that represents the whole country, and not just their party.

 

[Correll]

There is no sane reason to think that Trump's, at worst, harsh language, would lead to an increase in "racism or sexism".

There's no sane way to say it wouldn't.

Except that even Max's source says it did not.


SO, you are the crazy one.

I don't feel crazy. When I listen to Trump speak, and I watch his followers react, I feel like an island of sanity in a nation of miscreants.

Yet, you believe that there is no "Sane way" that "Trump's rhetoric" would NOT lead to a rise is white "Racism or sexism".


And you are, according to the linked source, completely wrong.


Reality does not match your expectation.


THus, your view of what is "sane" is the complete opposite of what is real.



YOu are insane. Trump and his supporters are the sane ones, you are insane.


YOu think things that are not real. AND YOU CANNOT ADJUST WHEN YOU ARE INFORMED OF THE TRUTH. YOU STILL BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN THE FACE OF ACTUAL READ DATA.



YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

 

[dblack]

YOu are insane. Trump and his supporters are the sane ones, you are insane.

Thank you!

 

[Correll]

YOu are insane. Trump and his supporters are the sane ones, you are insane.

Thank you!

The research has been done. These liberals just assumed their conclusions. When the data does not support it, they just, ignore it and hold to their delusions, never questioning where they might be wrong.


They have all the intellectual ability of a brain damaged lemming.

 

[JoeB131]

It's the same mistake in that they are focused on extreme change rather than consensus building. We need less thrashing between extremes. We need leadership that represents the whole country, and not just their party.

Um... no. What we need are politicians who aren't crazy like Trump is, to start with.

Then we need to get all the corporate money out of politics.

That we think that universal health care (the norm in the rest of the industrialized world) is an "extreme" idea shows how much our politics is bought by corporate interests.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The centrist, big business democrats are the most cowardly jellyfish that ever pretended to fight for the common man. They buckled under pressure and made deep comprises at every turn. Only the progressives seem to have any courage or conviction. If the center is so great for America why did they seem to hardly ever accomplish anything for the working person?

The US Constitution is the fight for the "common man". You're preaching Marxism and it ALWAYS end up a million times worse for your "common man"

 

[JoeB131]

The US Constitution is the fight for the "common man". You're preaching Marxism and it ALWAYS end up a million times worse for your "common man"

The US Constitution was written by rich slave rapists to protect their interests... they had no interest in the "Common man".

 

[occupied]

The centrist, big business democrats are the most cowardly jellyfish that ever pretended to fight for the common man. They buckled under pressure and made deep comprises at every turn. Only the progressives seem to have any courage or conviction. If the center is so great for America why did they seem to hardly ever accomplish anything for the working person?

The US Constitution is the fight for the "common man". You're preaching Marxism and it ALWAYS end up a million times worse for your "common man"

Socialism always arises from the failures of capitalism. Plutocracy is clearly not working to provide stable lives for the working poor. If you like the present system so much you might want to work to save it from itself.

 

[NoVote]

If the center is so great for America why did they seem to hardly ever accomplish anything for the working person?

It's something fucktards will never understand, cause all you want is communism to take care of your every need. The rest of us just want no government at all, other than to fill our potholes, set speedlimits and put up streetsigns, get it? We want NO CHANGE at all, Change is bad. Always. Keep vilent criminals off the street and leave us alone. Is that so hard to understand? Government should be seen and never heard.

 

[occupied]

If the center is so great for America why did they seem to hardly ever accomplish anything for the working person?

It's something fucktards will never understand, cause all you want is communism to take care of your every need. The rest of us just want no government at all, other than to fill our potholes, set speedlimits and put up streetsigns, get it? We want NO CHANGE at all, Change is bad. Always. Keep vilent criminals off the street and leave us alone. Is that so hard to understand? Government should be seen and never heard.

That attitude is stupid. You grew up with a government that protected your boomer ass from falling into poverty from the moment of your birth and made it possible for you to build a stable independent life. That long-ago environment that promoted working class wealth no longer exists.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The US Constitution is the fight for the "common man". You're preaching Marxism and it ALWAYS end up a million times worse for your "common man"

The US Constitution was written by rich slave rapists to protect their interests... they had no interest in the "Common man".

No, it wasn't you ignorant fuck.

The US Constitution put the Creator and his People first

Try Schoolhouse Rock for your remedial education

 

[Correll]

If the center is so great for America why did they seem to hardly ever accomplish anything for the working person?

It's something fucktards will never understand, cause all you want is communism to take care of your every need. The rest of us just want no government at all, other than to fill our potholes, set speedlimits and put up streetsigns, get it? We want NO CHANGE at all, Change is bad. Always. Keep vilent criminals off the street and leave us alone. Is that so hard to understand? Government should be seen and never heard.

That attitude is stupid. You grew up with a government that protected your boomer ass from falling into poverty from the moment of your birth and made it possible for you to build a stable indepeensent life. That long-ago environment that promoted working class wealth no longer exists.

It is the government's responsibility to create a safe environment where the citizens' right to life and the pursuit of happiness is protected.


That does not give them credit for the accomplishment any citizens might achieve in that safe environment, and any government that thinks it does,


is a tyranny that needs to be destroyed immediately.

 

[gipper]

You do realize that the Trumpsters say exactly the same kind of thing?

What is your opinion of President Obama going public with his concerns about the trajectory of the party? Don't you think him saying that in public is important?
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The guy that failed to live up to his every promise?

Not a fan, I take it. This is what I'm talking about.
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No not a fan. I supported 90% of what Candidate Obama ran on. I supported maybe 10% of what President Obama actually did.

Never would I have expected the Dems to dump Obama like this, especially this quickly.

This is what 538 is talking about.
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The Dems aren't dumping Obama. Those who support the ideas that initially got him elected are. Sadly it seems the Dem's don't actually support many of those ideas. They simply want a Dem elected.

Agreed. When O ran in 2008, he ran as a hard left progressive. Once in the White House, he became a corporatist warmonger. He and W are brothers from different mothers.