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Funny thing is that you really believe that you're cut from a brand of cloth that nobody has ever seen before.Hey, a day without one of you guys completely fabricating my opinion out of thin air would be like a day without sunshine!Mac pines for the good ole days when the republicans were cordial and compliant little capitulators, who went along to get along so they could get the softball media interviews, be invited to the cool parties, and get the good tee times.I think its the left that is being unreasonableYep.Yes, but we won the electionAnd vice versa. Birds of a feather.
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America has never had 100% agreement on any policy
we debate, we vote, and the winner carries out his policy
But that changed in 2016
But don't dare stand up and push back, lest you be branded an "extremist" and a "tribalist".
Always a good sign.
When the democrats sneer at the 4th and 5th Amendments, piss on the Murican blue collar worker in favor of cheap imported peasants, shove their heads up the ass of the police/spook state and abandon all pretense of being champions of civil liberties, and carry the water for violent goon squads who destroy private property and assault peaceful citizens, it's easy to recognize that they've moved so far left that it's hard to distinguish them from the Bolsheviks.When the republicans move from free trade to tariffs on everything, from amnesty to pure hatred of all immigration, to denial that we have a gun problem, to believing that the FBI should be disbanded, to distrusting and criticizing our intelligence agencies, and accepting those marching at midnight carrying torches chanting Nazi slogans...the Democrats look like they have moved further to the left. In some ways they have but in most ways they haven’t.
Great. The fact remains, the two parties are pulling the country in opposite directions and I'd like to see another alternative. And yes, libertarian thinking is one of the main drivers of the GOP right now, and that's part of the problem. Both parties are now the exclusive territory of their purists, and there are many Americans who don't see things as either/or.I would like very much for at least one more viable party to emerge as a strong alternative. But if this can't happen during a time of division like this, it may not ever.It's not exactly a secret that the Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left over the last generation or two. The only people who appear to disagree with that are the Progressive (Regressive) Left - because, I assume, they merely see the party as coming more in line with their beliefs. As the party becomes less liberal and more leftist authoritarian, they become more comfortable and satisfied.
Unfortunately, many of us who lean Left are watching the party become something with which we can no longer identify, leaving us without a party. And the alternative "major" party has done its own changing, and is currently something that is becoming more and more ugly and vulgar. Personally, I don't think the increasing division is a coincidence as much as it is a reaction.
Interesting cultural & statistical analysis on this by 538: Why The Democrats Have Shifted Left Over The Last 30 Years
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This means that the recent uptick in the share of voters holding liberal beliefs is driven not just by the departure of conservative voters, but also by Democrats themselves becoming more liberal. It is, of course, hard to identify just one reason the Democratic Party has shifted leftward in recent years, but in my conversations with experts, they all pointed to party elites (both politicians and influential liberal voices online). Now, some research has found that cues from the parties and party elites are even shaping voters’ personal beliefs, particularly on issues of race and immigration.
But why have so many Democrats moved to the left on these issues? On the one hand, the fact that race and immigration played such a central role in the 2016 election was certainly a contributing factor. A 2018 study by Peter Enns at Cornell University found that rather than voters choosing a candidate who matched their views on controversies like the Black Lives Matter movement, they actually changed their own views to match those of their preferred candidates. And there is evidence that Trump is continuing to drive some of this — although, perhaps not in the way one might expect. There isn’t evidence, for instance, that his rhetoric has contributed to an uptick in racist and sexist attitudes among white voters; instead, as FiveThirtyEight contributor Matt Grossmann has written, “the evidence shows that liberal-leaning voters moved away from [Trump’s] views faster than conservatives moved toward them.”
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There are other party alternatives ya know. There's nothing that says we can only have two. In fact there is nothing at all regarding political parties in the constitution leaving one to wonder why and how we've become a nation of only two.
"The System" apparently won't allow for it.
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What system is this? I've been registered as a libertarian for several years now. Although the last time I voted for Trump and wll do so again in 2020. Trump is no more a traditional republican than I am. In fact there is much of libertarian ideals in his politics, that is the least amount of government and smallest amount of taxes as is possible.
As I said, I agree that it's both sides.Because MSNBC and CNN aren’t complete tripe.Well, okay, but I'm including Rush, Sean, Tucker, and the various right wing sites I see here, used as "sources", from WND to Red State to Alex Jones.I agree, but it's not just the "main stream media". It's also right wing media.My only hope is someday... BOTH SIDES... all of us understand the meaning of this little cartoon:
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That we understand that the MSM only exists to keep us divided and blaming "the other guy" instead of paying attention to what the fuck is really going on.
And what is going on is corporatism/globalism/elitism is taking over America. The benefit of production is every single year getting more and more concentrated. And BOTH parties are not only not doing fuck all to stop it - they are part of it. BOTH SIDES.
Both have a vested professional interest in keeping us separated and angry, and they're clearly winning.
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The right wind media, being Fox News... IS... MSM
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And you do it again. You folks literally can't help yourselves. Just make it up as you go.Funny thing is that you really believe that you're cut from a brand of cloth that nobody has ever seen before.
Get over yourself.
It's not exactly a secret that the Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left over the last generation or two. The only people who appear to disagree with that are the Progressive (Regressive) Left - because, I assume, they merely see the party as coming more in line with their beliefs. As the party becomes less liberal and more leftist authoritarian, they become more comfortable and satisfied.
Unfortunately, many of us who lean Left are watching the party become something with which we can no longer identify, leaving us without a party. And the alternative "major" party has done its own changing, and is currently something that is becoming more and more ugly and vulgar. Personally, I don't think the increasing division is a coincidence as much as it is a reaction.
Interesting cultural & statistical analysis on this by 538
You do realize that the Trumpsters say exactly the same kind of thing?
What is your opinion of President Obama going public with his concerns about the trajectory of the party? Don't you think him saying that in public is important?
And you do it again. You folks literally can't help yourselves. Just make it up as you go.
There's far more of me than there are of you.
Get over yourself.
Well, it may be that the fringes are getting larger, too.They did not change. It is that the fringes of both parties are getting all the attention. Fuck the fringes!
Never would I have expected the Dems to dump Obama like this, especially this quickly.Not a fan, I take it. This is what I'm talking about.You do realize that the Trumpsters say exactly the same kind of thing?The centrist, big business democrats are the most cowardly jellyfish that ever pretended to fight for the common man. They buckled under pressure and made deep comprises at every turn. Only the progressives seem to have any courage or conviction. If the center is so great for America why did they seem to hardly ever accomplish anything for the working person?
What is your opinion of President Obama going public with his concerns about the trajectory of the party? Don't you think him saying that in public is important?
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The guy that failed to live up to his every promise?
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No not a fan. I supported 90% of what Candidate Obama ran on. I supported maybe 10% of what President Obama actually did.
Great. The fact remains, the two parties are pulling the country in opposite directions and I'd like to see another alternative. And yes, libertarian thinking is one of the main drivers of the GOP right now, and that's part of the problem. Both parties are now the exclusive territory of their purists, and there are many Americans who don't see things as either/or.
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Never would I have expected the Dems to dump Obama like this, especially this quickly.
This is what 538 is talking about.
It's not exactly a secret that the Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left over the last generation or two. The only people who appear to disagree with that are the Progressive (Regressive) Left - because, I assume, they merely see the party as coming more in line with their beliefs. As the party becomes less liberal and more leftist authoritarian, they become more comfortable and satisfied.
Unfortunately, many of us who lean Left are watching the party become something with which we can no longer identify, leaving us without a party. And the alternative "major" party has done its own changing, and is currently something that is becoming more and more ugly and vulgar. Personally, I don't think the increasing division is a coincidence as much as it is a reaction.
Interesting cultural & statistical analysis on this by 538: Why The Democrats Have Shifted Left Over The Last 30 Years
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This means that the recent uptick in the share of voters holding liberal beliefs is driven not just by the departure of conservative voters, but also by Democrats themselves becoming more liberal. It is, of course, hard to identify just one reason the Democratic Party has shifted leftward in recent years, but in my conversations with experts, they all pointed to party elites (both politicians and influential liberal voices online). Now, some research has found that cues from the parties and party elites are even shaping voters’ personal beliefs, particularly on issues of race and immigration.
But why have so many Democrats moved to the left on these issues? On the one hand, the fact that race and immigration played such a central role in the 2016 election was certainly a contributing factor. A 2018 study by Peter Enns at Cornell University found that rather than voters choosing a candidate who matched their views on controversies like the Black Lives Matter movement, they actually changed their own views to match those of their preferred candidates. And there is evidence that Trump is continuing to drive some of this — although, perhaps not in the way one might expect. There isn’t evidence, for instance, that his rhetoric has contributed to an uptick in racist and sexist attitudes among white voters; instead, as FiveThirtyEight contributor Matt Grossmann has written, “the evidence shows that liberal-leaning voters moved away from [Trump’s] views faster than conservatives moved toward them.”
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Maybe both sides are making the same mistake.Never would I have expected the Dems to dump Obama like this, especially this quickly.
This is what 538 is talking about.
Except no one is really dumping him in so much as they realize "you aren't running again." No one of the Republican side cares about what George W. Bush says now, either.
Yes. But it's the loudest voices pushing this and the authoritarian PC and Identity Politics crap. That's not liberalism.It's not exactly a secret that the Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left over the last generation or two. The only people who appear to disagree with that are the Progressive (Regressive) Left - because, I assume, they merely see the party as coming more in line with their beliefs. As the party becomes less liberal and more leftist authoritarian, they become more comfortable and satisfied.
Unfortunately, many of us who lean Left are watching the party become something with which we can no longer identify, leaving us without a party. And the alternative "major" party has done its own changing, and is currently something that is becoming more and more ugly and vulgar. Personally, I don't think the increasing division is a coincidence as much as it is a reaction.
Interesting cultural & statistical analysis on this by 538: Why The Democrats Have Shifted Left Over The Last 30 Years
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This means that the recent uptick in the share of voters holding liberal beliefs is driven not just by the departure of conservative voters, but also by Democrats themselves becoming more liberal. It is, of course, hard to identify just one reason the Democratic Party has shifted leftward in recent years, but in my conversations with experts, they all pointed to party elites (both politicians and influential liberal voices online). Now, some research has found that cues from the parties and party elites are even shaping voters’ personal beliefs, particularly on issues of race and immigration.
But why have so many Democrats moved to the left on these issues? On the one hand, the fact that race and immigration played such a central role in the 2016 election was certainly a contributing factor. A 2018 study by Peter Enns at Cornell University found that rather than voters choosing a candidate who matched their views on controversies like the Black Lives Matter movement, they actually changed their own views to match those of their preferred candidates. And there is evidence that Trump is continuing to drive some of this — although, perhaps not in the way one might expect. There isn’t evidence, for instance, that his rhetoric has contributed to an uptick in racist and sexist attitudes among white voters; instead, as FiveThirtyEight contributor Matt Grossmann has written, “the evidence shows that liberal-leaning voters moved away from [Trump’s] views faster than conservatives moved toward them.”
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The sad thing is that "liberalism" has become synonymous with socialism. Liberals used to care about civil liberties and limited government. Now they celebrate the opposite.
It's not exactly a secret that the Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left over the last generation or two. The only people who appear to disagree with that are the Progressive (Regressive) Left - because, I assume, they merely see the party as coming more in line with their beliefs. As the party becomes less liberal and more leftist authoritarian, they become more comfortable and satisfied.
Unfortunately, many of us who lean Left are watching the party become something with which we can no longer identify, leaving us without a party. And the alternative "major" party has done its own changing, and is currently something that is becoming more and more ugly and vulgar. Personally, I don't think the increasing division is a coincidence as much as it is a reaction.
Interesting cultural & statistical analysis on this by 538: Why The Democrats Have Shifted Left Over The Last 30 Years
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This means that the recent uptick in the share of voters holding liberal beliefs is driven not just by the departure of conservative voters, but also by Democrats themselves becoming more liberal. It is, of course, hard to identify just one reason the Democratic Party has shifted leftward in recent years, but in my conversations with experts, they all pointed to party elites (both politicians and influential liberal voices online). Now, some research has found that cues from the parties and party elites are even shaping voters’ personal beliefs, particularly on issues of race and immigration.
But why have so many Democrats moved to the left on these issues? On the one hand, the fact that race and immigration played such a central role in the 2016 election was certainly a contributing factor. A 2018 study by Peter Enns at Cornell University found that rather than voters choosing a candidate who matched their views on controversies like the Black Lives Matter movement, they actually changed their own views to match those of their preferred candidates. And there is evidence that Trump is continuing to drive some of this — although, perhaps not in the way one might expect. There isn’t evidence, for instance, that his rhetoric has contributed to an uptick in racist and sexist attitudes among white voters; instead, as FiveThirtyEight contributor Matt Grossmann has written, “the evidence shows that liberal-leaning voters moved away from [Trump’s] views faster than conservatives moved toward them.”
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There's no sane way to say it wouldn't.There is no sane reason to think that Trump's, at worst, harsh language, would lead to an increase in "racism or sexism".
There's no sane way to say it wouldn't.There is no sane reason to think that Trump's, at worst, harsh language, would lead to an increase in "racism or sexism".
