5 Myths About Global Health Care

[Mad Scientist]

the problem with their system is the reimbursement rate is TOO LOW for the private hospitals (50% hurting financially) and private doctor's businesses...which is regulated by their gvt and which can be also be corrected.
Japanese Pay Less for More Health Care : NPR

You see? The Gubamint has decided how much is to be given out for certain procedures. So Doctors, the smart ones at least, will steer patients to procedures they will get reimbursed more for. Wasn't Obama complaining about that last week? Doctors doing unnecessary surgery just for the money? Why yes he was.

Your link states that the Japanese pay less for their health care but neglects to mention that Japan has less than half the population of the US, about 127 million. We have approximately 300 million not counting the illegals.

The Japanese also have another BIG problem. They are the only country in the world that the population declined. An average life expectacy of 81 years combined with low birth rates is forcing Japan to cut health care.

SO, the Japanese are doing the only thing they can which is to cut costs.

The Japanese have very high tax rates as well, something that wasn't mentioned in the article either.

 

[jreeves]

it is NOT bankrupting their nation?

the people pay for their own health insurance, splitting it with employers and the policy is much less than half the price of ours for a family...everyone is REQUIRED to buy it, those who can't afford it are helped. there are absolutely no restrictions, all the healthcare anyone wants, can see any doctor or specialist in any and every hospital...they visit the doctor 3 times more a year than we do on average in the usa... no limits on any medical diagnostics or hospital care either and only 1 day at most, wait times.

they have private non profit insurance companies for all.

the problem with their system is the reimbursement rate is TOO LOW for the private hospitals (50% hurting financially) and private doctor's businesses...which is regulated by their gvt and which can be also be corrected.

Japanese Pay Less for More Health Care : NPR

Can I ask what is wrong with HR 3400 why the need to take over the private sector with the public option?

i think the for profit insurance companies are in cahoots together in price fixing...

i think handing the insurance companies an additional 20-45 million customers by making insurance mandatory as this bill, does nothing but hand a gold lined gift horse to the private insurance companies without ever having to compete to get them...this will keep costs higher, not lower them as it would if these companies really had to compete to get them vs it mandatory that the insurance company gets them as customers.

i think this reform is not forcing anyone in to the public option, i read the bill regarding such...the public option and or a non profit coop would bring true competition and choice for the consumer buying their mandatory insurance....otherwise, this bill without at least 1 of these options, is a sham, and gifthorse to a private industry, as said....and imo.

care

So the government setting all the terms and parameters as to how health care is administered, isn't an unfair advantage?

 

[Care4all]

Can I ask what is wrong with HR 3400 why the need to take over the private sector with the public option?

i think the for profit insurance companies are in cahoots together in price fixing...

i think handing the insurance companies an additional 20-45 million customers by making insurance mandatory as this bill, does nothing but hand a gold lined gift horse to the private insurance companies without ever having to compete to get them...this will keep costs higher, not lower them as it would if these companies really had to compete to get them vs it mandatory that the insurance company gets them as customers.

i think this reform is not forcing anyone in to the public option, i read the bill regarding such...the public option and or a non profit coop would bring true competition and choice for the consumer buying their mandatory insurance....otherwise, this bill without at least 1 of these options, is a sham, and gifthorse to a private industry, as said....and imo.

care

So the government setting all the terms and parameters as to how health care is administered, isn't an unfair advantage?

if the coop policy or public policy are allowed in this bill they will have to meet all the rules set in this bill and with the private sector insurance companies agreement already, so i guess i don't know what you mean JR?

 

[jreeves]

i think the for profit insurance companies are in cahoots together in price fixing...

i think handing the insurance companies an additional 20-45 million customers by making insurance mandatory as this bill, does nothing but hand a gold lined gift horse to the private insurance companies without ever having to compete to get them...this will keep costs higher, not lower them as it would if these companies really had to compete to get them vs it mandatory that the insurance company gets them as customers.

i think this reform is not forcing anyone in to the public option, i read the bill regarding such...the public option and or a non profit coop would bring true competition and choice for the consumer buying their mandatory insurance....otherwise, this bill without at least 1 of these options, is a sham, and gifthorse to a private industry, as said....and imo.

care

So the government setting all the terms and parameters as to how health care is administered, isn't an unfair advantage?

if the coop policy or public policy are allowed in this bill they will have to meet all the rules set in this bill and with the private sector insurance companies agreement already, so i guess i don't know what you mean JR?

A government czar will dictate which health plans are "qualified health plans", they will dictate what they have to cover and what they don't have to cover under HR 3200. You don't see that as an unfair advantage?

 

[veritas]

A government czar will dictate which health plans are "qualified health plans", they will dictate what they have to cover and what they don't have to cover under HR 3200. You don't see that as an unfair advantage?

No. I have asked before, if there was a not for profit type of insurance would you support it? Would you like the chance to opt into a government program instead of a private for profit one? What about a private sector non-profit?

Most small businesses operate as non-profits for the sake of this argument. They pay themselves a salary and usually plow profit back into operations. Most small businesses are not publicly traded. Most small businesses do what they can to keep employment steady and/or rising and meet their obligations. They don't have to constantly gobble more market share or shave labor to pay for investors.

 

[jreeves]

A government czar will dictate which health plans are "qualified health plans", they will dictate what they have to cover and what they don't have to cover under HR 3200. You don't see that as an unfair advantage?

No. I have asked before, if there was a not for profit type of insurance would you support it? Would you like the chance to opt into a government program instead of a private for profit one? What about a private sector non-profit?

Most small businesses operate as non-profits for the sake of this argument. They pay themselves a salary and usually plow profit back into operations. Most small businesses are not publicly traded. Most small businesses do what they can to keep employment steady and/or rising and meet their obligations. They don't have to constantly gobble more market share or shave labor to pay for investors.

Are these non-profits able to dictate to the rest of market, how they are able to run their businesses? No, therefore comparison fail

 

[veritas]

A government czar will dictate which health plans are "qualified health plans", they will dictate what they have to cover and what they don't have to cover under HR 3200. You don't see that as an unfair advantage?

No. I have asked before, if there was a not for profit type of insurance would you support it? Would you like the chance to opt into a government program instead of a private for profit one? What about a private sector non-profit?

Most small businesses operate as non-profits for the sake of this argument. They pay themselves a salary and usually plow profit back into operations. Most small businesses are not publicly traded. Most small businesses do what they can to keep employment steady and/or rising and meet their obligations. They don't have to constantly gobble more market share or shave labor to pay for investors.

Are these non-profits able to dictate to the rest of market, how they are able to run their businesses? No, therefore comparison fail

The non-profits would operate without a profit, so they could lower the price of what they offer. How is that different from the public option?

 

[Care4all]

So the government setting all the terms and parameters as to how health care is administered, isn't an unfair advantage?

if the coop policy or public policy are allowed in this bill they will have to meet all the rules set in this bill and with the private sector insurance companies agreement already, so i guess i don't know what you mean JR?

A government czar will dictate which health plans are "qualified health plans", they will dictate what they have to cover and what they don't have to cover under HR 3200. You don't see that as an unfair advantage?

i think they should cover EVERYTHING, just like the private insurance companies in japan...this does not give non profits an advantage or the public option an advantage, it costs money to offer these things and both private and public and coop policies ALL would have to figure out how to cover it with what they take in in revenues....no one has an 'advantage'

 

[jreeves]

if the coop policy or public policy are allowed in this bill they will have to meet all the rules set in this bill and with the private sector insurance companies agreement already, so i guess i don't know what you mean JR?

A government czar will dictate which health plans are "qualified health plans", they will dictate what they have to cover and what they don't have to cover under HR 3200. You don't see that as an unfair advantage?

i think they should cover EVERYTHING, just like the private insurance companies in japan...this does not give non profits an advantage or the public option an advantage, it costs money to offer these things and both private and public and coop policies ALL would have to figure out how to cover it with what they take in in revenues....no one has an 'advantage'

So the federal government currently employs this logic correct? Great we don't have a huge deficit....shew I was worried over nothing...

I mean the USPS never operates with losses...

 

[Chris]

A government czar will dictate which health plans are "qualified health plans", they will dictate what they have to cover and what they don't have to cover under HR 3200. You don't see that as an unfair advantage?

i think they should cover EVERYTHING, just like the private insurance companies in japan...this does not give non profits an advantage or the public option an advantage, it costs money to offer these things and both private and public and coop policies ALL would have to figure out how to cover it with what they take in in revenues....no one has an 'advantage'

So the federal government currently employs this logic correct? Great we don't have a huge deficit....shew I was worried over nothing...

I mean the USPS never operates with losses...

That's because it's a non profit.

 

[Care4all]

A government czar will dictate which health plans are "qualified health plans", they will dictate what they have to cover and what they don't have to cover under HR 3200. You don't see that as an unfair advantage?

i think they should cover EVERYTHING, just like the private insurance companies in japan...this does not give non profits an advantage or the public option an advantage, it costs money to offer these things and both private and public and coop policies ALL would have to figure out how to cover it with what they take in in revenues....no one has an 'advantage'

So the federal government currently employs this logic correct? Great we don't have a huge deficit....shew I was worried over nothing...

I mean the USPS never operates with losses...

i have no idea who you are registering a complaint for jr? the private insurance companies agreed to the terms in this health care insurance reform bill that pertain to them and what things needed to be covered, including the czar part....?

who are you arguing to protect?

 

[Contumacious]

From the article:

My ex-wife is a Nurse in Japan. She is also part of a board that is looking into cutting the cost of National Health Care which is bankrupting the nation. Can you uess where they're looking to and consulting with?:

America.

My ex says that since people can come in anytime they want and for just about any minor ailment they have they get many people who just come in because they are lonely and need someone to talk to. There's nothing wrong with them.

Sidebar: My ex used to come home all the time with crazy stories about people she had cared for in the Hospital. One guy used to come in at least once a month because his anus was bleeding. When asked by the Doctors what he was doing that was causing this he finally replied that he was jamming chop sticks up his ass! Not the shiny laquered ones but the disposable plain wooden ones. Apparently they were splintering and causing the damage!

I knew you guys would like that one!

it is NOT bankrupting their nation?

the people pay for their own health insurance, splitting it with employers and the policy is much less than half the price of ours for a family...everyone is REQUIRED to buy it, those who can't afford it are helped. there are absolutely no restrictions, all the healthcare anyone wants, can see any doctor or specialist in any and every hospital...they visit the doctor 3 times more a year than we do on average in the usa... no limits on any medical diagnostics or hospital care either and only 1 day at most, wait times.

they have private non profit insurance companies for all.

the problem with their system is the reimbursement rate is TOO LOW for the private hospitals (50% hurting financially) and private doctor's businesses...which is regulated by their gvt and which can be also be corrected.

Japanese Pay Less for More Health Care : NPR

Healthcare in Japan:


Japan's suicide rate is high compared to the USA; the Yomiuri Shinbun reported in June 2008 that more than 30,000 people had killed themselves every year for the past decade. A study published in 2006, suspects that health problems were a factor in almost 50 percent of the Japan's suicides in 2006.[4] However the Yomiuri's 2007 figures show 274 school children were among those who took their own lives.


More than 14,000 emergency patients were rejected at least three times by Japanese hospitals before getting treatment in 2007, according to the latest government survey. In the worst case, a woman in her 70s with a breathing problem was rejected 49 times in Tokyo.[5]

 

[veritas]

i think they should cover EVERYTHING, just like the private insurance companies in japan...this does not give non profits an advantage or the public option an advantage, it costs money to offer these things and both private and public and coop policies ALL would have to figure out how to cover it with what they take in in revenues....no one has an 'advantage'

So the federal government currently employs this logic correct? Great we don't have a huge deficit....shew I was worried over nothing...

I mean the USPS never operates with losses...

i have no idea who you are registering a complaint for jr? the private insurance companies agreed to the terms in this health care insurance reform bill that pertain to them and what things needed to be covered, including the czar part....?

who are you arguing to protect?

Agreed? Ha! If there is no public option that's off the table in a trice.

 

[veritas]

Japan's suicide rate is high compared to the USA; the Yomiuri Shinbun reported in June 2008 that more than 30,000 people had killed themselves every year for the past decade. A study published in 2006, suspects that health problems were a factor in almost 50 percent of the Japan's suicides in 2006.[4] However the Yomiuri's 2007 figures show 274 school children were among those who took their own lives.

That's because they eat fish and rice every day and have weird mental issues. You have watched anime, haven't you? Weird.

 

[Toro]

Japan is also a highly conformist society, where honor is extremely important. I'm sure that has something to do with the high suicide rate.

 

[Care4all]

So the federal government currently employs this logic correct? Great we don't have a huge deficit....shew I was worried over nothing...

I mean the USPS never operates with losses...

i have no idea who you are registering a complaint for jr? the private insurance companies agreed to the terms in this health care insurance reform bill that pertain to them and what things needed to be covered, including the czar part....?

who are you arguing to protect?

Agreed? Ha! If there is no public option that's off the table in a trice.

They agreed to everything regarding health care coverage in bill.

They are fighting TOOTH AND NAIL the public and or nonprofit private coop option.

 

[Care4all]

My ex-wife is a Nurse in Japan. She is also part of a board that is looking into cutting the cost of National Health Care which is bankrupting the nation. Can you uess where they're looking to and consulting with?:

America.

My ex says that since people can come in anytime they want and for just about any minor ailment they have they get many people who just come in because they are lonely and need someone to talk to. There's nothing wrong with them.

Sidebar: My ex used to come home all the time with crazy stories about people she had cared for in the Hospital. One guy used to come in at least once a month because his anus was bleeding. When asked by the Doctors what he was doing that was causing this he finally replied that he was jamming chop sticks up his ass! Not the shiny laquered ones but the disposable plain wooden ones. Apparently they were splintering and causing the damage!

I knew you guys would like that one!

it is NOT bankrupting their nation?

the people pay for their own health insurance, splitting it with employers and the policy is much less than half the price of ours for a family...everyone is REQUIRED to buy it, those who can't afford it are helped. there are absolutely no restrictions, all the healthcare anyone wants, can see any doctor or specialist in any and every hospital...they visit the doctor 3 times more a year than we do on average in the usa... no limits on any medical diagnostics or hospital care either and only 1 day at most, wait times.

they have private non profit insurance companies for all.

the problem with their system is the reimbursement rate is TOO LOW for the private hospitals (50% hurting financially) and private doctor's businesses...which is regulated by their gvt and which can be also be corrected.

Japanese Pay Less for More Health Care : NPR

Healthcare in Japan:


Japan's suicide rate is high compared to the USA; the Yomiuri Shinbun reported in June 2008 that more than 30,000 people had killed themselves every year for the past decade. A study published in 2006, suspects that health problems were a factor in almost 50 percent of the Japan's suicides in 2006.[4] However the Yomiuri's 2007 figures show 274 school children were among those who took their own lives.


More than 14,000 emergency patients were rejected at least three times by Japanese hospitals before getting treatment in 2007, according to the latest government survey. In the worst case, a woman in her 70s with a breathing problem was rejected 49 times in Tokyo.[5]

The emergency room statistics is concerning, the link that wiki provided as their source for that does not work anymore so i could not get the details...

The mental issues do have to do with honor as toro mentioned....

mental health

care

 

[jreeves]

i think they should cover EVERYTHING, just like the private insurance companies in japan...this does not give non profits an advantage or the public option an advantage, it costs money to offer these things and both private and public and coop policies ALL would have to figure out how to cover it with what they take in in revenues....no one has an 'advantage'

So the federal government currently employs this logic correct? Great we don't have a huge deficit....shew I was worried over nothing...

I mean the USPS never operates with losses...

i have no idea who you are registering a complaint for jr? the private insurance companies agreed to the terms in this health care insurance reform bill that pertain to them and what things needed to be covered, including the czar part....?

who are you arguing to protect?

Umm...people who have benefits now or need medical treatment.

 

[Zona]

The average fox viewer honestly believes there were WMD's and Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Fair and balanced.

 

[Chris]

The average fox viewer honestly believes there were WMD's and Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Fair and balanced.

It really is unbelievable how deluded these people are.

It's like the Pat Robertson crowd.