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[RollingThunder]

30 November 2013l

It emerged this week that there were 31,000 ‘excess’ deaths in England and Wales last winter, almost a third more than the previous year. Almost all were, in effect, British pensioners who died of the cold.

It’s odd: Britain is a rich country with a massive welfare state — and we know how to heat and insulate houses. We also send millions away in overseas aid. Yet somehow we have failed to find a way to stop our own people dying of the cold. Each winter, we tolerate a death toll which runs into the tens of thousands. Worse, we seem to have become inured to it.

The 2003 heatwave was blamed for 2,000 deaths, and treated as a national emergency. Sir David King, then chief scientific officer, declared that this meant climate change was ‘more serious even than the threat of terrorism’.

Since then, some 280,000 Brits have died from the cold and barely 10,000 from the heat. We have been focusing on the wrong enemy.

Our enemy is not global warming. In Britain, people are dying of the cold » The Spectator

wake up and get your head of al gore ass

Your initial claim that "the peoples always do better in warmer years then colder ones" was completely debunked by the number of recent deaths in just a few of the heat waves that have been happening around the world. And by the fact that the human race has survived through major ice ages. It is far easier to warm up with thick clothing and fires than it is to cool down when temperatures get so hot, people start dying of heat stroke in the streets.

The Spectator is a far right wing newspaper that often prints denier cult propaganda. Wake up and jerk your head out of Rupert Murdoch's ass, JerkoffBerzerkoff.

Bullcrap. Recent history, you know, where man could actually WRITE about what was going on in the world around him shows you to be full of crap. The Roman Warming period was warmer than today and Roman Culture flourished. The Renaissance occurred during the MWP. China has 2000 years of records and they show that when it was cold there was war, famine and pestilence.

You see moron, when it's cold it's hard to grow food. It's not just about keeping warm.

So you imagine that it isn't hard to grow food when it gets really hot and the water supplies dry up? You are such a clueless fool, walleyed.

Your denier cult myths and propaganda about previous warm periods are mostly wrong and, in any case, irrelevant. The current warming is happening because of the 40% (and rising) increase in CO2 levels that mankind has produced, not because of any natural cycles.

Here's an interesting hypothetical question that I heard from a friend recently and some pretty accurate answers that remind me a lot of you denier cult retards on this forum

If the anti-science global warming deniers had been Titanic crew members, what might they have been heard to say?

It's not happening
- even God couldn't sink this ship
- Deck 3 is drying up
- there has been no significant sinking for the last 17 minutes
- the ship's stern is rising

It's not the iceburg
- other things besides iceburgs sink ships
- sinking ships is a natural cycle
- ships sank during the Roman Warm period
- ships sank during the Medieival Warm period
- ships sank during the Little Ice age
- torpedoes sink ships
- storms sink ships
- iceburgs lag temperature

It's not bad
- water is plant food
- water is essential to life
- there is more life on the bottom of the sea than on the surface


***

 

[flacaltenn]

Where'd you steal that humor from Princess?
Its too damn good to come from a 12 yr old fairy..

 

[RollingThunder]

Where'd you steal that humor from Princess?

Ah, blind as well as retarded then? LOLOLOL. I just said in my post that a friend told it to me.

Its too damn good to come from a 12 yr old fairy..

I guess you mean it couldn't have come from you then. Well of course not. I just said I got it from a friend, not a retarded fairy.

 

[westwall]

Perhaps you should go and explain your crackpot theory to the survivors of the 70,000 people who died in the 2003 European heat wave and the survivors of the 15,000 who died in the 2010 Russian heat wave. You might even make it back alive, you poor deluded moron.

70,000? Wow, when you lie, you go DOUBLE even the most wildly generous estimates. What's funny is only wiki has 70,000. They use the numbers from the study I provided and then doubled them and you're too fucking lazy or stupid to check them. Typical dumbshit propagandist.
So, what's the real number? Peer reviewed studies put it at 23,982 far, far from your ridiculous 70,000.

Uh-huh....riiiiight...."only Wiki" eh? And only 24,000 deaths...wow, that hardly any at all...you dumb shit....

From a European scientific journal of biological science, here is a peer reviewed paper published in 2008, almost five years after that heat wave, after they had ample time to study the event.

Death toll exceeded 70,000 in Europe during the summer of 2003
Comptes Rendus Biologies
Volume 331, Issue 2, February 2008, Pages 171–178
Epidemiology / Épidémiologie
Jean-Marie Robinea, , , Siu Lan K. Cheunga, Sophie Le Roya, Herman Van Oyenb, Clare Griffithsc, Jean-Pierre Micheld, François Richard Herrmannd
a INSERM, Démographie et santé, CRLC, centre Val-d'Aurelle, parc Euromédecine, 34298 Montpellier cedex 5, France
b Unit of Epidemiology, Scientific Institute of Public Health, J. Wytsmanstraat 14, 1050 Bruxelles, Belgium
c Office of National Statistics, Mortality Statistics, 1 Drummond Gate, London SW1V 2QQ, London, UK
d Department of Rehabilitation and Geriatrics, Geneva Medical School and University Hospitals, 3, ch. Pont-Bochet, 1226 Thonex-Genève, Switzerland

Abstract
Daily numbers of deaths at a regional level were collected in 16 European countries. Summer mortality was analyzed for the reference period 1998–2002 and for 2003. More than 70,000 additional deaths occurred in Europe during the summer 2003. Major distortions occurred in the age distribution of the deaths, but no harvesting effect was observed in the months following August 2003. Global warming constitutes a new health threat in an aged Europe that may be difficult to detect at the country level, depending on its size. Centralizing the count of daily deaths on an operational geographical scale constitutes a priority for Public Health in Europe.

Not according to any legitimate peer reviewed study asshat. You're simply wrong. What else is new. You're ALWAYS wrong.

 

[westwall]

Your initial claim that "the peoples always do better in warmer years then colder ones" was completely debunked by the number of recent deaths in just a few of the heat waves that have been happening around the world. And by the fact that the human race has survived through major ice ages. It is far easier to warm up with thick clothing and fires than it is to cool down when temperatures get so hot, people start dying of heat stroke in the streets.

The Spectator is a far right wing newspaper that often prints denier cult propaganda. Wake up and jerk your head out of Rupert Murdoch's ass, JerkoffBerzerkoff.

Bullcrap. Recent history, you know, where man could actually WRITE about what was going on in the world around him shows you to be full of crap. The Roman Warming period was warmer than today and Roman Culture flourished. The Renaissance occurred during the MWP. China has 2000 years of records and they show that when it was cold there was war, famine and pestilence.

You see moron, when it's cold it's hard to grow food. It's not just about keeping warm.

So you imagine that it isn't hard to grow food when it gets really hot and the water supplies dry up? You are such a clueless fool, walleyed.

Your denier cult myths and propaganda about previous warm periods are mostly wrong and, in any case, irrelevant. The current warming is happening because of the 40% (and rising) increase in CO2 levels that mankind has produced, not because of any natural cycles.

Here's an interesting hypothetical question that I heard from a friend recently and some pretty accurate answers that remind me a lot of you denier cult retards on this forum

If the anti-science global warming deniers had been Titanic crew members, what might they have been heard to say?

It's not happening
- even God couldn't sink this ship
- Deck 3 is drying up
- there has been no significant sinking for the last 17 minutes
- the ship's stern is rising

It's not the iceburg
- other things besides iceburgs sink ships
- sinking ships is a natural cycle
- ships sank during the Roman Warm period
- ships sank during the Medieival Warm period
- ships sank during the Little Ice age
- torpedoes sink ships
- storms sink ships
- iceburgs lag temperature

It's not bad
- water is plant food
- water is essential to life
- there is more life on the bottom of the sea than on the surface


***

When you've got nothin', non-sequiter!



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[RollingThunder]

When you've got nothin', non-sequiter!

I guess you would know, walleyed, since you demonstrate it with pretty much every post you make.

 

[ScienceRocks]

When you've got nothin', non-sequiter!

I guess you would know, walleyed, since you demonstrate it with pretty much every post you make.

There isn't any data supporting the sun warming our planet currently...

Solar flux and sun spots =

 

[Kosh]

When you've got nothin', non-sequiter!

I guess you would know, walleyed, since you demonstrate it with pretty much every post you make.

There isn't any data supporting the sun warming our planet currently...

Solar flux and sun spots =

I guess the planet would still warm if the sun did not exist.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I guess you would know, walleyed, since you demonstrate it with pretty much every post you make.

There isn't any data supporting the sun warming our planet currently...

Solar flux and sun spots =

I guess the planet would still warm if the sun did not exist.

No it wouldn't...Simply you need energy going in to have some energy being held back because of the green house effect.

What science classes have you taken?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Perhaps you should go and explain your crackpot theory to the survivors of the 70,000 people who died in the 2003 European heat wave and the survivors of the 15,000 who died in the 2010 Russian heat wave. You might even make it back alive, you poor deluded moron.

30 November 2013l

It emerged this week that there were 31,000 ‘excess’ deaths in England and Wales last winter, almost a third more than the previous year. Almost all were, in effect, British pensioners who died of the cold.

It’s odd: Britain is a rich country with a massive welfare state — and we know how to heat and insulate houses. We also send millions away in overseas aid. Yet somehow we have failed to find a way to stop our own people dying of the cold. Each winter, we tolerate a death toll which runs into the tens of thousands. Worse, we seem to have become inured to it.

The 2003 heatwave was blamed for 2,000 deaths, and treated as a national emergency. Sir David King, then chief scientific officer, declared that this meant climate change was ‘more serious even than the threat of terrorism’.

Since then, some 280,000 Brits have died from the cold and barely 10,000 from the heat. We have been focusing on the wrong enemy.

Our enemy is not global warming. In Britain, people are dying of the cold » The Spectator

wake up and get your head of al gore ass

Your initial claim that "the peoples always do better in warmer years then colder ones" was completely debunked by the number of recent deaths in just a few of the heat waves that have been happening around the world. And by the fact that the human race has survived through major ice ages. It is far easier to warm up with thick clothing and fires than it is to cool down when temperatures get so hot, people start dying of heat stroke in the streets.

The Spectator is a far right wing newspaper that often prints denier cult propaganda. Wake up and jerk your head out of Rupert Murdoch's ass, JerkoffBerzerkoff.

Your initial claim that "the peoples always do better in warmer years then colder ones

they do it is a fact

 

[jon_berzerk]

the peoples always do better in warmer years then colder ones

Perhaps you should go and explain your crackpot theory to the survivors of the 70,000 people who died in the 2003 European heat wave and the survivors of the 15,000 who died in the 2010 Russian heat wave. You might even make it back alive, you poor deluded moron.

70,000? Wow, when you lie, you go DOUBLE even the most wildly generous estimates. What's funny is only wiki has 70,000. They use the numbers from the study I provided and then doubled them and you're too fucking lazy or stupid to check them. Typical dumbshit propagandist.

So, what's the real number? Peer reviewed studies put it at 23,982 far, far from your ridiculous 70,000.



"• France – 14,802 deaths. Experienced seven consecuBve days of
temperatures above 40°C.
• UK – 2,139 deaths. Record‐breaking temperature of 38.5 °C (101.3 °F) was
recorded on August 10, 2003. Rail travel was disrupted across the country
(rails buckling), and the London Eye shut down due to excessive heat in the
ferris‐wheel pods.
• Italy – Approx. 3000 deaths. Temperatures were around 38 °C (100 °F) in
most ciBes for weeks.
• Portugal – 2100 deaths. Extensive forest fires. 1st of August recorded as
hoJest day in centuries (8 °C/118 °F).
• Holland – 1,500 deaths. Heat wave broke no records.
• Spain – 141 deaths. Records broken in mulBple ciBes.
• Germany – 300 deaths. Records broken in mulBple ciBes. Rivers were at
their lowest recorded level this century, affecBng shipping across the Elbe
and Danube river.
• Switzerland – MelBng glaciers in the Alps caused avalanches and flash
floods. NaBonwide record temperature of 41.5 °C (106.7 °F) recorded in
Grono, Graubünden."


http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2009Q1/111/ATMS111 Presentations/Folder 1/CampbellS.pdf

funny you post a few facts

and he returns right back to the same set of lies

--LOL

 

[Abraham3]

When was the last time 24,000 people died of heat in Europe in a single year?

 

[Kosh]

There isn't any data supporting the sun warming our planet currently...

Solar flux and sun spots =

I guess the planet would still warm if the sun did not exist.

No it wouldn't...Simply you need energy going in to have some energy being held back because of the green house effect.

What science classes have you taken?

AGW is not science!

And yes your own answer debunked your early comments.

 

[Kosh]

When was the last time 24,000 people died of heat in Europe in a single year?

WOW I guess the population of the planet has been the same since it was formed.

 

[jon_berzerk]

When was the last time 24,000 people died of heat in Europe in a single year?

WOW I guess the population of the planet has been the same since it was formed.

Europe

31,000 deaths from the cold in England and Wales alone last year

 

[Uncensored2008]

There isn't any data supporting the sun warming our planet currently...

Solar flux and sun spots =

Yeah, only carbon dioxide warms the planet.

Yer a right fucking genius, just like the rest of your fellow cultists.

I think I have FINALLY figured out the attraction; AGW gives stupid people an opportunity to pretend they know something about science!

That's it, isn't it Matthew and Rolling Thunder? Neither of you could pass a 6th grade science class, but by spewing sunday school lessons from CRU tracts these morons feel like they know something...

 

[Uncensored2008]

No it wouldn't...Simply you need energy going in to have some energy being held back because of the green house effect.

What science classes have you taken?

AND Matthew doubles down on going full retard....

 

[Uncensored2008]

When was the last time 24,000 people died of heat in Europe in a single year?

2003.

Aren't you paying attention?

 

[Desperado]

I have a friend that lives in Pembina ND. and as soon as the phone lines thaw out I will give him a call.
Pembina, ND Weather Forecast from Weather Underground

 

[RollingThunder]

30 November 2013l

It emerged this week that there were 31,000 ‘excess’ deaths in England and Wales last winter, almost a third more than the previous year. Almost all were, in effect, British pensioners who died of the cold.

It’s odd: Britain is a rich country with a massive welfare state — and we know how to heat and insulate houses. We also send millions away in overseas aid. Yet somehow we have failed to find a way to stop our own people dying of the cold. Each winter, we tolerate a death toll which runs into the tens of thousands. Worse, we seem to have become inured to it.

The 2003 heatwave was blamed for 2,000 deaths, and treated as a national emergency. Sir David King, then chief scientific officer, declared that this meant climate change was ‘more serious even than the threat of terrorism’.

Since then, some 280,000 Brits have died from the cold and barely 10,000 from the heat. We have been focusing on the wrong enemy.

Our enemy is not global warming. In Britain, people are dying of the cold » The Spectator

wake up and get your head of al gore ass

Your initial claim that "the peoples always do better in warmer years then colder ones" was completely debunked by the number of recent deaths in just a few of the heat waves that have been happening around the world. And by the fact that the human race has survived through major ice ages. It is far easier to warm up with thick clothing and fires than it is to cool down when temperatures get so hot, people start dying of heat stroke in the streets.

The Spectator is a far right wing newspaper that often prints denier cult propaganda. Wake up and jerk your head out of Rupert Murdoch's ass, JerkoffBerzerkoff.

Your initial claim that "the peoples always do better in warmer years then colder ones

they do it is a fact

I'm afraid that you are obviously far too retarded and brainwashed to even comprehend what the word "fact" means, jerkoff. You mistake your propaganda induced delusions for facts. You can quibble about the exact numbers all you want but the actual fact is that tens of thousands of people have died from increased temperatures in the last several decades and that number is going to keep rising as temperatures keep climbing.

You are a pathetically ignorant fool and dupe for the fossil fuel industry.