4 years of concealed carry guns in Chicago, not one CCW citizen arrested for illegal gun use...

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We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

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The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
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Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

I am a big supporter of CCW. I have said in the past that licensed weapons holders have never been the problem. The problems are with the unlicensed. And almost ALL firearms owned are owned by the unlicensed. You want to lower firearms crimes, make it mandatory to have to have a license to have one. But that might be too far reaching. Maybe if you require only certain classes of firearms to come under that licensing in order to purchase them, own them or even sell them. At this point, our opinions begin to differ greatly.
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

I am a big supporter of CCW. I have said in the past that licensed weapons holders have never been the problem. The problems are with the unlicensed. And almost ALL firearms owned are owned by the unlicensed. You want to lower firearms crimes, make it mandatory to have to have a license to have one. But that might be too far reaching. Maybe if you require only certain classes of firearms to come under that licensing in order to purchase them, own them or even sell them. At this point, our opinions begin to differ greatly.
Next up licensing for free speech.
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

I am a big supporter of CCW. I have said in the past that licensed weapons holders have never been the problem. The problems are with the unlicensed. And almost ALL firearms owned are owned by the unlicensed. You want to lower firearms crimes, make it mandatory to have to have a license to have one. But that might be too far reaching. Maybe if you require only certain classes of firearms to come under that licensing in order to purchase them, own them or even sell them. At this point, our opinions begin to differ greatly.
Next up licensing for free speech.

When you can figure out a way to kill just by your voice alone I might agree. But until then........
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

Because he is talking about more guns in the hands of responsible owners and you are talking about more guns in the hands of criminals.
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?
If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”

I am a big supporter of CCW. I have said in the past that licensed weapons holders have never been the problem. The problems are with the unlicensed. And almost ALL firearms owned are owned by the unlicensed. You want to lower firearms crimes, make it mandatory to have to have a license to have one. But that might be too far reaching. Maybe if you require only certain classes of firearms to come under that licensing in order to purchase them, own them or even sell them. At this point, our opinions begin to differ greatly.


Besides being unConstitutional....what is the magic of licensing gun owners......the people doing the shooting in Chicago can't buy, own, or carry the illegal guns they are using to shoot other people, so they won't be able to get a license in the first place, and yet that won't stop them from shooting each other or other innocent people.....

Licensing is a revenue scheme and it is also just another way to infringe on the Right to bear arms......since it costs money.

Democrats tried to use fees for voting, Poll Taxes, to prevent Blacks from voting.... you want to use licensing fees to prevent the poor and minorities from owning guns...that won't fly....
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?


Because the democrats who have been in control of Chicago since 1931 do not want to keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail.....

I post about this over and over again about the revolving door in Chicago courtrooms that allow violent gun offenders with multiple gun offenses, as felons, back out into the West and South side neighborhoods where they shoot and kill people....

That is the problem....not law abiding people who own and carry guns to protect themselves from the violent criminals that Chicago democrats let out of jail...
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?


We have a lot more legal guns here in Florida and two million CWPs and a lot less crime than Chicago.

"An armed society is a polite society".
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?
If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?
They'd need gun laws that work.
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?


We have a lot more legal guns here in Florida and two million CWPs and a lot less crime than Chicago.

"An armed society is a polite society".


And Florida violent crime rates are at a 47 year low......I think that was just last year....
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?
If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?
They'd need gun laws that work.


They have all the gun laws you want, and they don't even allow gun stores or gun ranges in the city....yet.......

You don't want to understand that law abiding gun owners are not shooting other human beings...it is the violent, repeat gun offenders who can't buy, own or carry guns that are shooting people...and who the democrats keep letting out of jail in less than 3 years for repeated gun violations as violent felons....

Every city where you see high levels of gun crime.... you have democrats running the court system.
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?

Because he is talking about more guns in the hands of responsible owners and you are talking about more guns in the hands of criminals.
So you're saying that you want to disarm certain people? So you're a gun-grabber. Got it.
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?
If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?
They'd need gun laws that work.

Why does NH have the lowest murder rate in the country despite it having very lax gun laws?

HINT : It ain't the gun laws that determine the murder rate
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?


Because the democrats who have been in control of Chicago since 1931 do not want to keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail.....

I post about this over and over again about the revolving door in Chicago courtrooms that allow violent gun offenders with multiple gun offenses, as felons, back out into the West and South side neighborhoods where they shoot and kill people....

That is the problem....not law abiding people who own and carry guns to protect themselves from the violent criminals that Chicago democrats let out of jail...
But with all those guns, shouldn't Chicago be really safe? Or do you want to disarm certain people like the gun-grabber you are?
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?


We have a lot more legal guns here in Florida and two million CWPs and a lot less crime than Chicago.

"An armed society is a polite society".


And Florida violent crime rates are at a 47 year low......I think that was just last year....


Almost everybody I know here in Florida have firearms and most people I know have CWPs. We don't go around shooting people but we are the ones these asshole Libtards want to take the guns away.

The majority of the gun crime here is just like in in other states. In the Democrat controlled big cities with large minority populations.

Guns ain't the problem. Inner city druggies, gang members, Illegals and welfare queens are the problem.
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?
If gun laws stop crime why isn't Chicago the safest place in the country?
They'd need gun laws that work.

Why does NH have the lowest murder rate in the country despite it having very lax gun laws?

HINT : It ain't the gun laws that determine the murder rate
So with all the guns in Chicago, why is it so unsafe?
 
We now have 4 years of concealed gun carrying in Chicago...there are still no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, but law abiding Chicago citizens have taken it upon themselves to travel to the suburbs to get their permits......

And so far, not one arrest for illegal gun use by a concealed carry permit user....as John Lott pointed out on the Dan and Amy show a few minutes ago, you have people with clerical mistakes....walking into a gun free zone, forgetting about having a gun on them, or not having their card on them while carrying....but no illegal gun use...

40 defensive shootings....not one arrest for illegal use of the gun, they were all justified....
'

Meanwhile, the Chicago judicial system keeps letting out violent gun criminals....criminals with prior arrests for illegal gun use...actual crimes where they used guns illegally.....getting out of jail and shooting people....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is lack of criminal control.

Sadly, as the Joker told Two Face.....all according to the plan....

Almost nothing is known about dozens of concealed carry shootings in Illinois. Why?

The state police know nothing about the nearly 40 shootings by people with concealed carry licenses since Illinois became the last state to allow them four years ago.

-------

The Tribune combed through police files, court records and news reports to compile its own list. The analysis shows that:

  • Most of those shot by CCL holders have been armed robbers. Others include carjackers, a burglar with a crowbar, a robber with a gun to a clerk’s head, neighbors, an ex-girlfriend, a father-in-law, an unarmed teen stealing a Jeep, a passenger in a car during a road rage attack and a naked man acting “aggressively.”
  • They were shot by homeowners, customers, security guards, store clerks, a Chicago police dispatcher, a Chicago fire lieutenant, a Chicago Park District worker, a tow-truck driver and the owner of a West Side cellphone store.
  • The shootings took place at currency exchanges, phone stores, a driveway between two homes, parking lots, a party, a Loop McDonald’s, a West Side church, a block where children played and a downstate gun range.
----------

Lt. Matthew Boerwinkle, a spokesman for the state police, believes problems with concealed carry holders are few and there is no need for more oversight or transparency.

“You rarely hear of an instance where a CCL holder is using their firearm in an unlawful manner,” he said. “They’re generally law-abiding citizens, and they’ve gone to great lengths to get to where they’re at to have a CCL. And they’ve taken training to get there. And most of them, they understand what the requirements are to use force to defend themselves.”
If more guns are the solution, then why isn't Chicago the safest place on earth?


Because the democrats who have been in control of Chicago since 1931 do not want to keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail.....

I post about this over and over again about the revolving door in Chicago courtrooms that allow violent gun offenders with multiple gun offenses, as felons, back out into the West and South side neighborhoods where they shoot and kill people....

That is the problem....not law abiding people who own and carry guns to protect themselves from the violent criminals that Chicago democrats let out of jail...
But with all those guns, shouldn't Chicago be really safe? Or do you want to disarm certain people like the gun-grabber you are?

Disarming piece of shit criminals is not gun grabbing
 

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