30 Cities with highest murder rates

[Lewdog]

There is a reason the numbers of Blacks being arrested for crimes and are locked up and serving longer jail time, it's called systemic racism. Don't believe me? Look at the 100 to 1 law created in the 1980's were people arrested for crack were given jail sentences the same as those with cocaine sentences under mandatory minimum sentencing at a 100 to 1 ratio. It was SPECIFICALLY created to target BLACKS and the government was spreading this lie that crack cocaine was more addictive and worse than powder cocaine, so if a person was caught with 5 grams of crack, they would receive the SAME mandatory minimum sentence as a person caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine. Do you have any idea how many rich white people got busted with cocaine in the 1980s and didn't get shit for it?

Those laws were passed AT THE REQUEST of black leaders to give their communities more protection from the drug that was, to quote them, "committing genocide on their own people".


ONly someone ignorant of what was actually happening at the time, could present this as "evidence" of racism.


I lived though that time, and I saw people use both. From my observations, crack cocaine is worse, and should be dealt with more severely.

YOu might disagree. Maybe I am even wrong. But my opinion is sincere and not designed to punish crack users more than power users.

Like hell they were. Black leaders did not ask the government to pass laws that put more young Black men in jail in laws at a 100 to 1 ratio to a drug predominantly used by whites. Take that ridiculous argument somewhere else. I can name several other laws that also target Blacks like Hot Spot policing, Broken Windows Policing, the abuse of the plea bargaining system and three strike laws, along with mandatory minimum sentencing that would more often affect Blacks than whites. There are several reasons why Blacks are arrested and jailed at disproportionate percentages and it isn't about them committing crime at disproportionate amounts.

Brock Turner was convicted of RAPE, and the judge gave him probation because he was white from a "good family" and with a good opportunity to become a contributing member to society and putting him in prison for rape would ruin that. If that had been a Black kid from a poor family that would NEVER have happened.

 

[Lewdog]

The murder rate can be predicted based on one thing, and one thing only, the number of black people who live in the city. Call me a racist, but you know it's true.

Wrong. Population density, income, joblessness rates, percentage of people without a high school diploma or GED, number of recovery programs available and if the state has expanded medicaid so that those programs have been expanded to cover them... and many many more beyond race.

Your response is a great example of why so many of Trump's supporters are the ones that lack a college degree where they would learn that these issues are a lot more complicated and will take a lot of work for us to fix.

So you think only Trump supporters think that way. Really?

You might want to get informed before posting.

You're right, Trump supporters and other racists. My bad.

Noticing the correlation between demographics and crime, is not racist, you race baiting fool.

It s when you "notice the demographics" and use them as your argument and they are nothing but spurious relationships with several spurious underlying causes.

 

[Correll]

There is a reason the numbers of Blacks being arrested for crimes and are locked up and serving longer jail time, it's called systemic racism. Don't believe me? Look at the 100 to 1 law created in the 1980's were people arrested for crack were given jail sentences the same as those with cocaine sentences under mandatory minimum sentencing at a 100 to 1 ratio. It was SPECIFICALLY created to target BLACKS and the government was spreading this lie that crack cocaine was more addictive and worse than powder cocaine, so if a person was caught with 5 grams of crack, they would receive the SAME mandatory minimum sentence as a person caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine. Do you have any idea how many rich white people got busted with cocaine in the 1980s and didn't get shit for it?

Those laws were passed AT THE REQUEST of black leaders to give their communities more protection from the drug that was, to quote them, "committing genocide on their own people".


ONly someone ignorant of what was actually happening at the time, could present this as "evidence" of racism.


I lived though that time, and I saw people use both. From my observations, crack cocaine is worse, and should be dealt with more severely.

YOu might disagree. Maybe I am even wrong. But my opinion is sincere and not designed to punish crack users more than power users.

Like hell they were. Black leaders did not ask the government to pass laws that put more young Black men in jail in laws at a 100 to 1 ratio to a drug predominantly used by whites......

Yes, they did. They saw the harm being done to blacks by crack and wanted the dealers to be stopped.


You ever watch a movie called New Jack City? From 1991?

 

[Correll]

The murder rate can be predicted based on one thing, and one thing only, the number of black people who live in the city. Call me a racist, but you know it's true.

Wrong. Population density, income, joblessness rates, percentage of people without a high school diploma or GED, number of recovery programs available and if the state has expanded medicaid so that those programs have been expanded to cover them... and many many more beyond race.

Your response is a great example of why so many of Trump's supporters are the ones that lack a college degree where they would learn that these issues are a lot more complicated and will take a lot of work for us to fix.

So you think only Trump supporters think that way. Really?

You might want to get informed before posting.

You're right, Trump supporters and other racists. My bad.

Noticing the correlation between demographics and crime, is not racist, you race baiting fool.

It s when you "notice the demographics" and use them as your argument and they are nothing but spurious relationships with several spurious underlying causes.

What about when you use them to point out the real causes?

 

[westwall]

There is a reason the numbers of Blacks being arrested for crimes and are locked up and serving longer jail time, it's called systemic racism. Don't believe me? Look at the 100 to 1 law created in the 1980's were people arrested for crack were given jail sentences the same as those with cocaine sentences under mandatory minimum sentencing at a 100 to 1 ratio. It was SPECIFICALLY created to target BLACKS and the government was spreading this lie that crack cocaine was more addictive and worse than powder cocaine, so if a person was caught with 5 grams of crack, they would receive the SAME mandatory minimum sentence as a person caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine. Do you have any idea how many rich white people got busted with cocaine in the 1980s and didn't get shit for it?

So, they didn't commit the crimes they were convicted of.

 

[gipper]

False. With blacks removed, America has a very similar per capita rate to Europe. White murder rates in America are exactly the same as Belgium.

US 17,000 murders with blacks murdering 6400 = 10500 non-black murders
US population 6 times the UK pop'
UK murders 720-
10500 divided by 6 = 1750 ...2 times MORE than 720
you are full of shit

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3
Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

If those numbers are correct, blacks commit 38% of the murders yet comprise only 12% of the population. They are over represented.

Now we need to add Hispanics to the mix. We know they commit murder at a much greater rate than do whites.

It’s not good.

......yes--they commit murder at much higher rates---but the blacks ind different cities are committing murder at much different rates--per my links--why is this???!!!!

Don’t know. Why do you think they are?

NYC population 8.3 MILLION
StL about 320,000
NYC 26 times STL
NYC murders about 289
StL---------------------------186
NYC strict gun controlled
NYC 42 white ..24% black
PLUS LA, Chi and NYC have much more gang crap than StL
AND StL density is much lower

But St Louis is nearly 50% black.

 

[Wry Catcher]

One headline sets off a shit storm of denial and deflections, and the obvious questions are never asked or even considered:

How many homicides were committed by the use of a firearm?

How many guns used were stolen?

How many of the killers bought a gun legally, and their record suggests they ought not to own or possess a gun?

Of course the single presumption made was, it had to be a black guy.

No one here stated that. Why lie? Are you related to Trump?

Gee, maybe you ought to take off your blinders and read all the posts above, or, maybe have someone read to you and explain that racism is rarely overt; overt is there too.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The murder rate can be predicted based on one thing, and one thing only, the number of black people who live in the city. Call me a racist, but you know it's true.

.....take away the black murders and the US still has a murder rate more than double of UK, etc

False. With blacks removed, America has a very similar per capita rate to Europe. White murder rates in America are exactly the same as Belgium.

US 17,000 murders with blacks murdering 6400 = 10500 non-black murders
US population 6 times the UK pop'
UK murders 720-
10500 divided by 6 = 1750 ...2 times MORE than 720
you are full of shit

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3
Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

If those numbers are correct, blacks commit 38% of the murders yet comprise only 12% of the population. They are over represented.

Now we need to add Hispanics to the mix. We know they commit murder at a much greater rate than do whites.

It’s not good.

Why do you suppose more murders occur among minorities than among Caucasians?.

 

[Wry Catcher]

One headline sets off a shit storm of denial and deflections, and the obvious questions are never asked or even considered:

How many homicides were committed by the use of a firearm?

How many guns used were stolen?

How many of the killers bought a gun legally, and their record suggests they ought not to own or possess a gun?

Of course the single presumption made was, it had to be a black guy.

Wry, take a look at the last 5 mass shooters. ALL of them were known, they all had committed crimes and ALL of them were let loose to go kill.

And all of them got a gun. Explain that, or do you agree with Trump and the NRA that no solution exists, so let's keep doing what we've been doing and pray for the dead and their family, friends and colleagues.

 

[gipper]

One headline sets off a shit storm of denial and deflections, and the obvious questions are never asked or even considered:

How many homicides were committed by the use of a firearm?

How many guns used were stolen?

How many of the killers bought a gun legally, and their record suggests they ought not to own or possess a gun?

Of course the single presumption made was, it had to be a black guy.

No one here stated that. Why lie? Are you related to Trump?

Gee, maybe you ought to take off your blinders and read all the posts above, or, maybe have someone read to you and explain that racism is rarely overt; overt is there too.

So you admit to making it up. Good for you.

 

[gipper]

The murder rate can be predicted based on one thing, and one thing only, the number of black people who live in the city. Call me a racist, but you know it's true.

.....take away the black murders and the US still has a murder rate more than double of UK, etc

False. With blacks removed, America has a very similar per capita rate to Europe. White murder rates in America are exactly the same as Belgium.

US 17,000 murders with blacks murdering 6400 = 10500 non-black murders
US population 6 times the UK pop'
UK murders 720-
10500 divided by 6 = 1750 ...2 times MORE than 720
you are full of shit

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3
Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

If those numbers are correct, blacks commit 38% of the murders yet comprise only 12% of the population. They are over represented.

Now we need to add Hispanics to the mix. We know they commit murder at a much greater rate than do whites.

It’s not good.

Why do you suppose more murders occur among minorities than among Caucasians?.

I listed why above. Read your thread silly.

 

[westwall]

One headline sets off a shit storm of denial and deflections, and the obvious questions are never asked or even considered:

How many homicides were committed by the use of a firearm?

How many guns used were stolen?

How many of the killers bought a gun legally, and their record suggests they ought not to own or possess a gun?

Of course the single presumption made was, it had to be a black guy.

Wry, take a look at the last 5 mass shooters. ALL of them were known, they all had committed crimes and ALL of them were let loose to go kill.

And all of them got a gun. Explain that, or do you agree with Trump and the NRA that no solution exists, so let's keep doing what we've been doing and pray for the dead and their family, friends and colleagues.

They should have been in jail. Had they been in jail, they would not have been able to get the gun in the first place.

In other words, enforce the laws that are ALREADY on the books.

How simple is that. Problem is you don't get the mass murders you need for the propaganda campaign.

 

[Lewdog]

There is a reason the numbers of Blacks being arrested for crimes and are locked up and serving longer jail time, it's called systemic racism. Don't believe me? Look at the 100 to 1 law created in the 1980's were people arrested for crack were given jail sentences the same as those with cocaine sentences under mandatory minimum sentencing at a 100 to 1 ratio. It was SPECIFICALLY created to target BLACKS and the government was spreading this lie that crack cocaine was more addictive and worse than powder cocaine, so if a person was caught with 5 grams of crack, they would receive the SAME mandatory minimum sentence as a person caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine. Do you have any idea how many rich white people got busted with cocaine in the 1980s and didn't get shit for it?

Those laws were passed AT THE REQUEST of black leaders to give their communities more protection from the drug that was, to quote them, "committing genocide on their own people".


ONly someone ignorant of what was actually happening at the time, could present this as "evidence" of racism.


I lived though that time, and I saw people use both. From my observations, crack cocaine is worse, and should be dealt with more severely.

YOu might disagree. Maybe I am even wrong. But my opinion is sincere and not designed to punish crack users more than power users.

Like hell they were. Black leaders did not ask the government to pass laws that put more young Black men in jail in laws at a 100 to 1 ratio to a drug predominantly used by whites......

Yes, they did. They saw the harm being done to blacks by crack and wanted the dealers to be stopped.


You ever watch a movie called New Jack City? From 1991?

You are using a fictional movie as a source to support your argument? Are you serious?

 

[Lewdog]

There is a reason the numbers of Blacks being arrested for crimes and are locked up and serving longer jail time, it's called systemic racism. Don't believe me? Look at the 100 to 1 law created in the 1980's were people arrested for crack were given jail sentences the same as those with cocaine sentences under mandatory minimum sentencing at a 100 to 1 ratio. It was SPECIFICALLY created to target BLACKS and the government was spreading this lie that crack cocaine was more addictive and worse than powder cocaine, so if a person was caught with 5 grams of crack, they would receive the SAME mandatory minimum sentence as a person caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine. Do you have any idea how many rich white people got busted with cocaine in the 1980s and didn't get shit for it?

So, they didn't commit the crimes they were convicted of.

Are you a scientist or not? Do you understand percentages or not? Do you understand experiments or not?

Serious questions because there is no need to move on and answer your question if none of what you have posed about your life in the past is true.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The only time that I have been threatened with violence within the last year was by a middle aged white guy wearing a MAGA hat who confronted me in a Circle K gas station, who invited me outside to duke it out over my anti-Trump bumper sticker.

Sounds like you avoid black neighborhoods.

I avoid Montana and Idaho, where you have to be a certified RW nut in order to live there.

And yet very little crime occurs in those two states. I wonder why?

Because they arm themselves and take over federal land in Oregon, Nevada, and then come down here to AZ and Texas, making it necessary for the National Guard and the Army to tell them to go home, with their camos and AR-15s.

 

[Correll]

There is a reason the numbers of Blacks being arrested for crimes and are locked up and serving longer jail time, it's called systemic racism. Don't believe me? Look at the 100 to 1 law created in the 1980's were people arrested for crack were given jail sentences the same as those with cocaine sentences under mandatory minimum sentencing at a 100 to 1 ratio. It was SPECIFICALLY created to target BLACKS and the government was spreading this lie that crack cocaine was more addictive and worse than powder cocaine, so if a person was caught with 5 grams of crack, they would receive the SAME mandatory minimum sentence as a person caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine. Do you have any idea how many rich white people got busted with cocaine in the 1980s and didn't get shit for it?

Those laws were passed AT THE REQUEST of black leaders to give their communities more protection from the drug that was, to quote them, "committing genocide on their own people".


ONly someone ignorant of what was actually happening at the time, could present this as "evidence" of racism.


I lived though that time, and I saw people use both. From my observations, crack cocaine is worse, and should be dealt with more severely.

YOu might disagree. Maybe I am even wrong. But my opinion is sincere and not designed to punish crack users more than power users.

Like hell they were. Black leaders did not ask the government to pass laws that put more young Black men in jail in laws at a 100 to 1 ratio to a drug predominantly used by whites......

Yes, they did. They saw the harm being done to blacks by crack and wanted the dealers to be stopped.


You ever watch a movie called New Jack City? From 1991?

You are using a fictional movie as a source to support your argument? Are you serious?

The stories we tell, tell a lot about US.


New Jack City is a window into what Hollywood thought of the crack epidemic in the late 80s/early 90s.


And it is exactly as I said it was. NOt from the government. NOt from some rightwing guy, but from one of the strongest stronghold of modern day liberalism.



Did you see it? Do you know what happens to the main character at the end?

 

[Lewdog]

There is a reason the numbers of Blacks being arrested for crimes and are locked up and serving longer jail time, it's called systemic racism. Don't believe me? Look at the 100 to 1 law created in the 1980's were people arrested for crack were given jail sentences the same as those with cocaine sentences under mandatory minimum sentencing at a 100 to 1 ratio. It was SPECIFICALLY created to target BLACKS and the government was spreading this lie that crack cocaine was more addictive and worse than powder cocaine, so if a person was caught with 5 grams of crack, they would receive the SAME mandatory minimum sentence as a person caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine. Do you have any idea how many rich white people got busted with cocaine in the 1980s and didn't get shit for it?

Those laws were passed AT THE REQUEST of black leaders to give their communities more protection from the drug that was, to quote them, "committing genocide on their own people".


ONly someone ignorant of what was actually happening at the time, could present this as "evidence" of racism.


I lived though that time, and I saw people use both. From my observations, crack cocaine is worse, and should be dealt with more severely.

YOu might disagree. Maybe I am even wrong. But my opinion is sincere and not designed to punish crack users more than power users.

Like hell they were. Black leaders did not ask the government to pass laws that put more young Black men in jail in laws at a 100 to 1 ratio to a drug predominantly used by whites......

Yes, they did. They saw the harm being done to blacks by crack and wanted the dealers to be stopped.


You ever watch a movie called New Jack City? From 1991?

You are using a fictional movie as a source to support your argument? Are you serious?

The stories we tell, tell a lot about US.


New Jack City is a window into what Hollywood thought of the crack epidemic in the late 80s/early 90s.


And it is exactly as I said it was. NOt from the government. NOt from some rightwing guy, but from one of the strongest stronghold of modern day liberalism.



Did you see it? Do you know what happens to the main character at the end?

It's a FICTIONAL MOVIE... come back with FACTS. Jesus.

 

[miketx]

The 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the US

Note the regions, and sorry Donald, San Francisco is not on the list.

Fake news.

 

[westwall]

There is a reason the numbers of Blacks being arrested for crimes and are locked up and serving longer jail time, it's called systemic racism. Don't believe me? Look at the 100 to 1 law created in the 1980's were people arrested for crack were given jail sentences the same as those with cocaine sentences under mandatory minimum sentencing at a 100 to 1 ratio. It was SPECIFICALLY created to target BLACKS and the government was spreading this lie that crack cocaine was more addictive and worse than powder cocaine, so if a person was caught with 5 grams of crack, they would receive the SAME mandatory minimum sentence as a person caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine. Do you have any idea how many rich white people got busted with cocaine in the 1980s and didn't get shit for it?

So, they didn't commit the crimes they were convicted of.

Are you a scientist or not? Do you understand percentages or not? Do you understand experiments or not?

Serious questions because there is no need to move on and answer your question if none of what you have posed about your life in the past is true.

Of course I do. The problem is, you don't.

 

[Lewdog]

This is amazing. I'm in a thread discussing a topic that is the basis of my college degrees that I have studied statistics, studies, and facts for 6 years...

And one of the people arguing against me wants to use a fictional movie as a resource to support their position. Wow.