2017 Co2 watch thread--How high will it go?

December 11: 404.36 ppm


December 11, 128,897,854 B.C.

2056.78 ppm

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Sea levels were 240 feet higher...Every major coastal city on earth gone.
There were no coastal cities 128 million years ago, moron. Yet, somehow life managed to survive and even thrive. If you look at the history of the earth, a warmer climate has always been beneficial for life.
 
Again, the problem isn't the absolute temperature. It is the RATE OF CHANGE. Try to get that through your thick head, eh
 
Again, the problem isn't the absolute temperature. It is the RATE OF CHANGE. Try to get that through your thick head, eh
There is no evidence that the rate of change now is any different than it was in the past.
 
From an adjoining thread

What were the temperature change rates? I haven't the slightest doubt that the rate was slow enough to to allow accurate determination even with the crude resolution. Let's have a look

Ice_Age_Temperature.png


For it's height and youth, let's take the peak at 125,000 years. It rises approximately 12C in a period of 12-13,000 years. That comes to roughly 0.1C/century. The resolution of these data is more than fine enough to accurately measure that slope. The rate of warming from 1915 to 2015 is 1.08C/century. More than ten times as fast.[/QUOTE]

For those who still fail to understand the very basics of the global warming problem: the threat is not the absolute temperatures we will ever reach. It is the RATE OF CHANGE.
 
December 11: 404.36 ppm


December 11, 128,897,854 B.C.

2056.78 ppm

images

Sea levels were 240 feet higher...Every major coastal city on earth gone.
There were no coastal cities 128 million years ago, moron. Yet, somehow life managed to survive and even thrive. If you look at the history of the earth, a warmer climate has always been beneficial for life.

They were smart enough to move inland away from rising waters..
 
From an adjoining thread

What were the temperature change rates? I haven't the slightest doubt that the rate was slow enough to to allow accurate determination even with the crude resolution. Let's have a look

Ice_Age_Temperature.png


For it's height and youth, let's take the peak at 125,000 years. It rises approximately 12C in a period of 12-13,000 years. That comes to roughly 0.1C/century. The resolution of these data is more than fine enough to accurately measure that slope. The rate of warming from 1915 to 2015 is 1.08C/century. More than ten times as fast.

For those who still fail to understand the very basics of the global warming problem: the threat is not the absolute temperatures we will ever reach. It is the RATE OF CHANGE.

Another Mann et al fabrication made by placing 5 year plots on the end of 500 year plots... so your claim of ten times faster is but an artifact of manipulations and not based on fact.
 
December 11: 404.36 ppm


December 11, 128,897,854 B.C.

2056.78 ppm

images

Sea levels were 240 feet higher...Every major coastal city on earth gone.
There were no coastal cities 128 million years ago, moron. Yet, somehow life managed to survive and even thrive. If you look at the history of the earth, a warmer climate has always been beneficial for life.

They were smart enough to move inland away from rising waters..


Yeah the Flintstones were a very smart dynasty, to bad they died out using to much fossil fuel.

.
 
From an adjoining thread

What were the temperature change rates? I haven't the slightest doubt that the rate was slow enough to to allow accurate determination even with the crude resolution. Let's have a look

Ice_Age_Temperature.png


For it's height and youth, let's take the peak at 125,000 years. It rises approximately 12C in a period of 12-13,000 years. That comes to roughly 0.1C/century. The resolution of these data is more than fine enough to accurately measure that slope. The rate of warming from 1915 to 2015 is 1.08C/century. More than ten times as fast.

For those who still fail to understand the very basics of the global warming problem: the threat is not the absolute temperatures we will ever reach. It is the RATE OF CHANGE.

The resolution of your graph is bigger than a century. There could be temperature fluctuations in the past that were far greater than what has occurred in the last 100 years that wouldn't even show up on your graph. So it's meaningless to compare it with graphs where the resolution is a year or a month or even a week. That's scientific malpractice. It's chicanery and abracadabra.
 
The value per century was the slope calculated across 13,000 years. Try again.
 
The value per century was the slope calculated across 13,000 years. Try again.

That doesn't alter what I said on bit. Within your 13,000 you could have spikes and valleys 5 times greater than the increase of the last 100 years.

This math stuff is hard for you AGW cult members, isn't it?
 
Our temperature and our CO2 levels have had peaks and valleys that weren't detailed in the slope I gave. All these data are fractal. There is an equivalent amount of detail at all scales. The long term trend in what was obviously a significant rise was a tiny fraction of what we are currently experiencing. You are all being fooled by data plotted at radically differing scales. The rate of change for both CO2 and temperature has not likely been seen since the KT impact.

And, as I have told you all on numerous occasions, these mean nothing. Even if you found a spike exactly like what we are experiencing today, it does nothing to refute the many points of evidence that show CO2 is responsible for this warming and that humans are responsible for this CO2.
 
Our temperature and our CO2 levels have had peaks and valleys that weren't detailed in the slope I gave. All these data are fractal. There is an equivalent amount of detail at all scales. The long term trend in what was obviously a significant rise was a tiny fraction of what we are currently experiencing. You are all being fooled by data plotted at radically differing scales. The rate of change for both CO2 and temperature has not likely been seen since the KT impact.

And, as I have told you all on numerous occasions, these mean nothing. Even if you found a spike exactly like what we are experiencing today, it does nothing to refute the many points of evidence that show CO2 is responsible for this warming and that humans are responsible for this CO2.

Temperature increase caused the increase in CO2, not the other way around. There is no evidence that shows CO2 is responsible for the warming. None.
 
Wrong Paddie.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v484/n7392/full/nature10915.html

Global warming preceded by increasing carbon dioxide concentrations during the last deglaciation

Nature

484,

49–54

(05 April 2012)

doi:10.1038/nature10915
Received

16 September 2011
Accepted

01 February 2012
Published online

04 April 2012
Citation
Abstract

The covariation of carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration and temperature in Antarctic ice-core records suggests a close link between CO2 and climate during the Pleistocene ice ages. The role and relative importance of CO2 in producing these climate changes remains unclear, however, in part because the ice-core deuterium record reflects local rather than global temperature. Here we construct a record of global surface temperature from 80 proxy records and show that temperature is correlated with and generally lags CO2 during the last (that is, the most recent) deglaciation. Differences between the respective temperature changes of the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere parallel variations in the strength of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation recorded in marine sediments. These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age.
 

And like Gavin said, the climate of our planet doesn't care about our political idiocy. Not one damn bit.

the climate of our planet doesn't care about our political idiocy.

Or about the trillions you'd like to waste, damaging our economy, lowering our standards of living, building fucking windmills.
Morons.
And what would you have us spend money on for energy? Coal? Way too dirty and expensive. Nuclear, far, far too expensive, and there is still the waste problem. Gas, a good bridge to renewables, but now more expensive than either solar or wind.

Wind and Solar Are Crushing Fossil Fuels

Wind and Solar Are Crushing Fossil Fuels

Record clean energy investment outpaces gas and coal 2 to 1.
by
Tom Randall
April 6, 2016, 2:00 AM PDT

Wind and solar have grown seemingly unstoppable.

While two years of crashing prices for oil, natural gas, and coal triggered dramatic downsizing in those industries, renewables have been thriving. Clean energy investment broke new records in 2015 and is now seeing twice as much global funding as fossil fuels.

One reason is that renewable energy is becoming ever cheaper to produce. Recent solar and wind auctions in Mexico and Morocco ended with winning bids from companies that promised to produce electricity at the cheapest rate, from any source, anywhere in the world, said Michael Liebreich, chairman of the advisory board for Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF).

"We're in a low-cost-of-oil environment for the foreseeable future," Liebreich said during his keynote address at the BNEF Summit in New York on Tuesday. "Did that stop renewable energy investment? Not at all."

Here's what's shaping power markets, in six charts from BNEF:

Renewables are beating fossil fuels 2 to 1

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How many time you gonna post this lie?
Well, Silly Billy, instead of flapping your gums, why don't you present evidence from a credible source that states otherwise?
 
Our temperature and our CO2 levels have had peaks and valleys that weren't detailed in the slope I gave. All these data are fractal. There is an equivalent amount of detail at all scales. The long term trend in what was obviously a significant rise was a tiny fraction of what we are currently experiencing. You are all being fooled by data plotted at radically differing scales. The rate of change for both CO2 and temperature has not likely been seen since the KT impact.

And, as I have told you all on numerous occasions, these mean nothing. Even if you found a spike exactly like what we are experiencing today, it does nothing to refute the many points of evidence that show CO2 is responsible for this warming and that humans are responsible for this CO2.

Temperature increase caused the increase in CO2, not the other way around. There is no evidence that shows CO2 is responsible for the warming. None.
Why no, no evidence at all, other than basic physics involving absorption spectra. God, you are one stupid little twit.
 
December 11: 404.36 ppm


December 11, 128,897,854 B.C.

2056.78 ppm

images

Sea levels were 240 feet higher...Every major coastal city on earth gone.
There were no coastal cities 128 million years ago, moron. Yet, somehow life managed to survive and even thrive. If you look at the history of the earth, a warmer climate has always been beneficial for life.

They were smart enough to move inland away from rising waters..


Yeah the Flintstones were a very smart dynasty, to bad they died out using to much fossil fuel.

.
And you actually think that qualifies as an intelligent reply. Lordy, lordy.
 
December 11, 128,897,854 B.C.

2056.78 ppm

images

Sea levels were 240 feet higher...Every major coastal city on earth gone.
There were no coastal cities 128 million years ago, moron. Yet, somehow life managed to survive and even thrive. If you look at the history of the earth, a warmer climate has always been beneficial for life.

They were smart enough to move inland away from rising waters..


Yeah the Flintstones were a very smart dynasty, to bad they died out using to much fossil fuel.

.
And you actually think that qualifies as an intelligent reply. Lordy, lordy.
Do you believe that CO2 prevented an ice age from happening?
 
Our temperature and our CO2 levels have had peaks and valleys that weren't detailed in the slope I gave. All these data are fractal. There is an equivalent amount of detail at all scales. The long term trend in what was obviously a significant rise was a tiny fraction of what we are currently experiencing. You are all being fooled by data plotted at radically differing scales. The rate of change for both CO2 and temperature has not likely been seen since the KT impact.

And, as I have told you all on numerous occasions, these mean nothing. Even if you found a spike exactly like what we are experiencing today, it does nothing to refute the many points of evidence that show CO2 is responsible for this warming and that humans are responsible for this CO2.

Temperature increase caused the increase in CO2, not the other way around. There is no evidence that shows CO2 is responsible for the warming. None.
Why no, no evidence at all, other than basic physics involving absorption spectra. God, you are one stupid little twit.
Here ya go, douche bag:

Climate myths: Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming | New Scientist

New research in Antarctica shows CO2 follows temperature “by a few hundred years at most”

THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: New paper demonstrates temperature drives CO2 levels, not man-made CO2
 
Sea levels were 240 feet higher...Every major coastal city on earth gone.
There were no coastal cities 128 million years ago, moron. Yet, somehow life managed to survive and even thrive. If you look at the history of the earth, a warmer climate has always been beneficial for life.

They were smart enough to move inland away from rising waters..


Yeah the Flintstones were a very smart dynasty, to bad they died out using to much fossil fuel.

.
And you actually think that qualifies as an intelligent reply. Lordy, lordy.
Do you believe that CO2 prevented an ice age from happening?
Now how could that happen if the ice age is thousands of years in the future by the Milankovic Cycles? You truly don't read very well, do you, Dingleberry. No, what the GHGs did was to start a very rapid rise in temperature, one that will continue for quite a while. We are committed, in the coming decades and centuries to several meters of sea level rise, and a worldwide rise in temperatures that will give us a climate that the naked ape has never experianced before.
 
Our temperature and our CO2 levels have had peaks and valleys that weren't detailed in the slope I gave. All these data are fractal. There is an equivalent amount of detail at all scales. The long term trend in what was obviously a significant rise was a tiny fraction of what we are currently experiencing. You are all being fooled by data plotted at radically differing scales. The rate of change for both CO2 and temperature has not likely been seen since the KT impact.

And, as I have told you all on numerous occasions, these mean nothing. Even if you found a spike exactly like what we are experiencing today, it does nothing to refute the many points of evidence that show CO2 is responsible for this warming and that humans are responsible for this CO2.

Temperature increase caused the increase in CO2, not the other way around. There is no evidence that shows CO2 is responsible for the warming. None.
Why no, no evidence at all, other than basic physics involving absorption spectra. God, you are one stupid little twit.
Here ya go, douche bag:

Climate myths: Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming | New Scientist

New research in Antarctica shows CO2 follows temperature “by a few hundred years at most”

THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: New paper demonstrates temperature drives CO2 levels, not man-made CO2
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Climate myths: Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming | New Scientist


16 May 2007

Climate myths: Ice cores show CO2increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming
The lag proves that rising CO2 did not cause the initial warming as past ice ages ended, but it does not in any way contradict the idea that higher CO2 levels cause warming.

By Catherine Brahic and Michael Le Page

Sometimes a house gets warmer even when the central heating is turned off. Does this prove that its central heating does not work? Of course not. Perhaps it’s a hot day outside, or the oven’s been left on for hours.

Just as there’s more than one way to heat a house, so there’s more than one way to heat a planet.

Ice cores from Antarctica show that at the end of recent ice ages, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere usually started to rise only after temperatures had begun to climb. There is uncertainty about the timings, partly because the air trapped in the cores is younger than the ice, but it appears the lags might sometimes have been 800 years or more.

Initial warming
This proves that rising CO2 was not the trigger that caused the initial warming at the end of these ice ages – but no climate scientist has ever made this claim. It certainly does not challenge the idea that more CO2 heats the planet.

We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas because it absorbs and emits certain frequencies of infrared radiation. Basic physics tells us that gases with this property trap heat radiating from the Earth, that the planet would be a lot colder if this effect was not real and that adding more CO2 to the atmosphere will trap even more heat.

Why yes, I agree with your site. Perhaps you should actually read the site you post. LOL You prove yourself beyond stupid.
 

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