Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Truthmatters, Jul 12, 2007.
well things aint so good guys.
it took a long time to rebuild europe didnt it?
i aint say its going great, but leaving wont make it better will it ?
But it will stop this slow bleed of US troops.
But will it cause even greater problems down the road?
My concern when listening to those who what withdraw at this point is the lack of discussion I have seen regarding what might happen because of this withdraw. Will it be positive? Negative? If positive, what will be positive? Do we believe that leaving Iraq will help it somehow? Or are we simply leaving because we don't believe that we can help in any way? If negative, will it be worse than if we stayed and attempted to help/force the Iraqi government to step it up?
I suppose the difficult moral question is: Are the lives of the American troops we are losing in a "slow bleed" as you call it, more important than potential problems withdraw will cause for our nation down the road?
If we withdraw, and the upheaval an unstable Iraq causes forces America into military action in the future...will the lives we saved today be worth the lives we lose in the future?
Unfortunately they are all moot points that should have been considered BEFORE we invaded.
The bottom line is what ever happens to Iraq when we leave will be George Bush's legacy alone.
That report being from the Federal Department of No-Shit-Sherlock. Bush's Iraq policy has been in doubt since the first seconds of "Shock and Awe".
Moot points? Absurd. The hatred that the Left has for Bush overwhelms any consideration of the future of the Middle East. The Left could care less if genocide or regional war get played out in Iraq after US defeat and withdrawal.
The fundamental outcome of this thing was pre-ordained the minute George decided to invade and occupy iraq. A lot of people predicted exactly what would happen, and unfortunately they were laughed off.
A significant portion of the iraqis were never going to welcome american troops on their soil. And most of the ones who do want to work with us, don't want to be seen as collaborators with us americans. Or, at least they're not willing to risk their necks for us.
Chaos and a civil war were predicted by many people familiar with the region. There is no way to salvage a "victory". Whatever "victory" even means at this point: there will not be a pro-american, jeffersonian democracy in iraq. We will not be welcome there as guests or liberators anytime for the foreseeable future. We created MORE terrorists and insurgents merely by the prescence of 150k troops there. And there's nothing an american military force can do to stop a civil war. That's going to be up to the iraqis.
And frankly, I find the argument that it "might get worse if we leave" to be weak and unpersuasive. There is not going to be any american military solution here.
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