14 Year Old Addresses CPAC

[elvis]

Here's a youngster starting life on the right foot.

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And it will come as no surprise that he is homeschooled.

The dude has natural skills. Probably didn't need to go to a school at all.

He's just as qualified as Obama. he should run in 2016

 

[dilloduck]

Here's a youngster starting life on the right foot.

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And it will come as no surprise that he is homeschooled.

The dude has natural skills. Probably didn't need to go to a school at all.

He's just as qualified as Obama. he should run in 2016

Already has the gift of gab, will be forgiven for anything because of his youth and can entertain a crowd. I guess we'll see how long he can pull off this schtick.

 

[American Horse]

He's 14 and he's already in College? I wasn't aware of that.

He will have zero social skills.

Says BooBoo about a 14 year old who addresses an audience with poise and confidence

This is only anecdotal, but I have known a number of these youngsters.
Around here they seem to especially come from families in rural areas with the father being a tradesman while the mother stays in the home and dedicates the time she saves because of labor savings devices to the education of the kids. Since the kids do spend a lot of time with adults, more so than with many children their own age (except for siblings), they get along with and seem more like adults than children. So owing to that and his innate intelligence, this young man is in his element at this venue.

I find them to always be more mature than average, respectful, inordinately well spoken, and confident in their dealings with adults they come in contact with as their superiors in employment. They make excellent employees because of that.

This is the same model the Romans used to educate their children two millennia ago. Being mere 'boys' was something to be avoided for the young male, as he was expected to follow in his father's footsteps, and so there seemed to have been no childhood at all.

The innovation of Greek teachers holding school for several boys in classes rather than for just one family was regarded as problematic, when it was introduced, because that model encouraged 'boys' to behave like boys and delayed manhood. That was judged to be because the boys were spending too much time with other boys and did not lead to the self disciplined behavior that was expected of them as the young men they were considered to be in their teens.

 

[midcan5]

Thanks for coming back, I'm so glad to be able to read it this time.

I don't know if you had a chance to view post #41, but the principles represent a way to live one's life. Let me give a simple example: we believe that if one graduates from high school, works at a job for at least a year, and waits until marriage to have children, one can avoid poverty. The result is a sense of pride, not a demand for entitlements.

Disagree?

I completely agree but I would add to that some college or at least a trade that cannot easily be outsourced. Here is where we differ: even if you do those things that is not a guarantee of the American dream. Just last evening there was a piece on one of the major channels on unemployment in California, it was listed at 10%. 4500 people turned out for 500 jobs working at the (I think) baseball stadium. It was reminiscent of the great depression. So where does this leave us if we don't do something to create labor markets and eventually a more stable working environment?

Timeline of the Great Depression

 

[midcan5]

This is only anecdotal, but I have known a number of these youngsters.

I'm sorry but I find that equivalent to the Maoist youth groups. Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity. I remember reading long ago that mental issues were worse in rural areas (do they exist any more?) than urban areas because of the lack of support, when you are out there alone you better fit in.

PS I enjoyed your photos, well done.

 

[Swoop187]

Nice kid, he just forgot bureaucracy but of course hes a kid trying to make sense out of the senseless.

I can say the kid is logical and correct.

I live by the same creed, my ideology is set and being a an ex-liberal i can see the table and can put my self in the shoes I dont fit in... Just because I believe in less government and capitalism doesnt make me a neo-con war monger....

 

[pete]

This is only anecdotal, but I have known a number of these youngsters.

I'm sorry but I find that equivalent to the Maoist youth groups. Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity. I remember reading long ago that mental issues were worse in rural areas (do they exist any more?) than urban areas because of the lack of support, when you are out there alone you better fit in.

PS I enjoyed your photos, well done.

So the obama kids are going to be worse off ?? They arent exactly sheltered, but surely its not the norm with the ss following you everywhere and always having to be thinking about doing something wrong. Somewhat like the paparazzi and we know what young kids in hollywood turn out like ... they end up on TrueTV

 

[Swoop187]

This is only anecdotal, but I have known a number of these youngsters.

I'm sorry but I find that equivalent to the Maoist youth groups. Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity. I remember reading long ago that mental issues were worse in rural areas (do they exist any more?) than urban areas because of the lack of support, when you are out there alone you better fit in.

PS I enjoyed your photos, well done.

So the obama kids are going to be worse off ?? They arent exactly sheltered, but surely its not the norm with the ss following you everywhere and always having to be thinking about doing something wrong. Somewhat like the paparazzi and we know what young kids in hollywood turn out like ... they end up on TrueTV

No one is entitled to anything and bringing TV stars into this just makes your self look more retarded.

What the hell is going on in your mind to bring in TV stars?

Some people are rich and some arent, its capitalism and I would rather live under this system then socialism. Your destiny is in your own hands, you have a future but if you respect socialism your future is already set in stone for you.

You want freedom or do you want to be told who you will be?

 

[pete]

I'm sorry but I find that equivalent to the Maoist youth groups. Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity. I remember reading long ago that mental issues were worse in rural areas (do they exist any more?) than urban areas because of the lack of support, when you are out there alone you better fit in.

PS I enjoyed your photos, well done.

So the obama kids are going to be worse off ?? They arent exactly sheltered, but surely its not the norm with the ss following you everywhere and always having to be thinking about doing something wrong. Somewhat like the paparazzi and we know what young kids in hollywood turn out like ... they end up on TrueTV

No one is entitled to anything and bringing TV stars into this just makes your self look more retarded.

What the hell is going on in your mind to bring in TV stars?

Some people are rich and some arent, its capitalism and I would rather live under this system then socialism. Your destiny is in your own hands, you have a future but if you respect socialism your future is already set in stone for you.

You want freedom or do you want to be told who you will be?

This

Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Thanks for coming back, I'm so glad to be able to read it this time.

I don't know if you had a chance to view post #41, but the principles represent a way to live one's life. Let me give a simple example: we believe that if one graduates from high school, works at a job for at least a year, and waits until marriage to have children, one can avoid poverty. The result is a sense of pride, not a demand for entitlements.

Disagree?

I completely agree but I would add to that some college or at least a trade that cannot easily be outsourced. Here is where we differ: even if you do those things that is not a guarantee of the American dream. Just last evening there was a piece on one of the major channels on unemployment in California, it was listed at 10%. 4500 people turned out for 500 jobs working at the (I think) baseball stadium. It was reminiscent of the great depression. So where does this leave us if we don't do something to create labor markets and eventually a more stable working environment?

Timeline of the Great Depression

We both know that there are no guarantees. One can only live their life by principles that place one on the path that gives the best chance for a successful life. If success is what gets you closer to what you believe is important, then one must know what is important. Self-discipline is resisting the liberal "if it feels good, do it." See how that fits the three statements that I made in an earlier post. Since you say "I completely agree" with those three statements, welcome to the Conservative Party.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm sorry but I find that equivalent to the Maoist youth groups. Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity. I remember reading long ago that mental issues were worse in rural areas (do they exist any more?) than urban areas because of the lack of support, when you are out there alone you better fit in.

PS I enjoyed your photos, well done.

I'll see your anecdotal, and raise you one.

My children are home-schooled, and are deprived of neither child play, nor with the interaction with other children.

They are involved in sports locally, and take courses outside of the home.

BTW, I have been approached by adults who tell me that they are the only children who converse with them (the adults). It seems that public school children are conditioned to interact with children only.

 

[Swoop187]

So the obama kids are going to be worse off ?? They arent exactly sheltered, but surely its not the norm with the ss following you everywhere and always having to be thinking about doing something wrong. Somewhat like the paparazzi and we know what young kids in hollywood turn out like ... they end up on TrueTV

No one is entitled to anything and bringing TV stars into this just makes your self look more retarded.

What the hell is going on in your mind to bring in TV stars?

Some people are rich and some arent, its capitalism and I would rather live under this system then socialism. Your destiny is in your own hands, you have a future but if you respect socialism your future is already set in stone for you.

You want freedom or do you want to be told who you will be?

This

Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity.

So basically I'm immature and have limited intelligence for questioning your post?

I cant begin with how arrogant and egotistical that actually is.

I really appreciate logical arguments rather then simplistic insults.

 

[Skull Pilot]

This is only anecdotal, but I have known a number of these youngsters.

I'm sorry but I find that equivalent to the Maoist youth groups. Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity. I remember reading long ago that mental issues were worse in rural areas (do they exist any more?) than urban areas because of the lack of support, when you are out there alone you better fit in.

PS I enjoyed your photos, well done.

Where do you get the idea that home schooled children don't get the chance to play and interact with other children?

And on the childhood subject, just how long do we extend childhood? Times past a boy was considered a man at a much earlier age than today. girls were considered women much younger as well. We as a society can't seem to decide the age of majority. 18 is old enough to vote, fight and die for your country (17 in some cases for this privilege), get married but not old enough to have champagne at your wedding.

Child support can be extended until a "minor" child is 22 in some states and parents are held responsible for their "dependent" children's college tuition.

Personally, I wanted the chance to outpace my peers in public school and was offered to skip 2 grades but my mother refused to allow it. So I sat through school bored and unchallenged. And you say a home schooled child who has the opportunity to outpace, out learn and out perform a public school child is some how less adnvantaged than that same public school student who is locked into a rigid curriculum of federally mandated social programs at the detriment of math, science, language and critical thinking skills as having an unlimited educational and psychological experience?

If I could do it all over again, I would drop out of high school and got my GED at 16, go to college two years earlier and graduate at 19 with a bachelor's. But that type of ambition is frowned upon.

 

[pete]

No one is entitled to anything and bringing TV stars into this just makes your self look more retarded.

What the hell is going on in your mind to bring in TV stars?

Some people are rich and some arent, its capitalism and I would rather live under this system then socialism. Your destiny is in your own hands, you have a future but if you respect socialism your future is already set in stone for you.

You want freedom or do you want to be told who you will be?

This

Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity.

So basically I'm immature and have limited intelligence for questioning your post?

I cant begin with how arrogant and egotistical that actually is.

I really appreciate logical arguments rather then simplistic insults.

You asked a question and got the answer.
Q: Where is my mind that I would ...
A: Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things ....

Midcan5 compared to MYG and simply put a normal childhood isnt ushered around by the secret service or making millions at a young age and hanging out at all night parties doing whatever with adults < ---- this being the holywood factor.

 

[Swoop187]

This

So basically I'm immature and have limited intelligence for questioning your post?

I cant begin with how arrogant and egotistical that actually is.

I really appreciate logical arguments rather then simplistic insults.

You asked a question and got the answer.
Q: Where is my mind that I would ...
A: Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things ....

Midcan5 compared to MYG and simply put a normal childhood isnt ushered around by the secret service or making millions at a young age and hanging out at all night parties doing whatever with adults < ---- this being the holywood factor.

C'mon man and be real.

I'm trying to make a justifiable political point and I get analogies as a response?

Kill the ego and respond with a political argument based on what I concluded. I'm not interested in being slandered.

 

[editec]

Home schooled children may or may not be getting decent educations.

Exactly the same state of affairs describes kids getting education at public or private schools.

I support parents' right to homeschool their children without reservation.

I've known (and taught) enough homeschool kids to know that a motivated parent can provide an excellent education to their kids.

 

[American Horse]

This is only anecdotal, but I have known a number of these youngsters.

I'm sorry but I find that equivalent to the Maoist youth groups. Life is short and to not allow a child play and the interaction of others is wrong. Maturity comes from all these things and not a rigid life of limited educational and psychological opportunity. I remember reading long ago that mental issues were worse in rural areas (do they exist any more?) than urban areas because of the lack of support, when you are out there alone you better fit in.

Midcan, I can't agree nor see the parallel. In the era of Mao, children were taken from their homes and regimented into a state run educational system intended to make the children good maoists, and to remove parental influence with its prior residual set of values. It seems this could be loosely compared more to what we have today in America than the home school system the boy who spoke at CPAC, and the children I described.

These kids experience a great amount of lattitude in their personal lives to experience what adults experience. How about the actual birth of a calf, or colt, or the responsiblity of a daily routine that demands something of them more than responding to the end-of-class-buzzer sending them to the next classroom; something like shoveling the horse crap out of the barn, a necessary evil, but it provides a good sense of proportion.

Also with these kids who are home schooled, if I were to be concerned about anything, I would be concerned they would have gaps missing from their education, mathematics for instance, but not from socializaton. They have their siblings to socialize with and other children in their rural neighborhoods who are likewise occupied with homeschooling. They experience a greater degree of freedom to experience life outside of the classroom environment than the student in the ordinary classroom and they get a chance to go to the government schools for certain activities to interact with children there too. Unfortunately there is some effort in certain areas to shut them out or exclude them from being able to do that.

Rural neighborhoods do exist all over middle America. As a matter of fact urban government everywhere is trying to zone against that phenomenon calling it "sprawl", claiming that sprawl causes greater costs in government services (like police, fire, school bus transportation, emergency services, county road maintenance, need for water and sewer, etc, etc) the things that goverment ought to see as its worthy responsibilities to serve citizens who are paying property taxes, but in the case of the homeschooled kid don't take school resources. Instead these are seen as excess costs to urban society, which must be limited wherever possible.

Who's to say which is the better emotional environment, the city school with its social structure of cliques, exclusion, bullying, sexual pressures (all which surely do exist) or that of the same environment that produced the likes of an Abraham Lincoln.

PS I enjoyed your photos, well done.

Thanks, glad you enjoyed them. Many of them are subjects which rural Americans enjoy in their daily life; a greater texture than being a part of the regimented government system......