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/----- You said "those 'poor and lazy' you right wing ideologues claim to hate so much." WOWZA - the first Strawman Argument of the day. Now my turn. "What about our sacred Bill of Rights you Liberals claim to hate so much?" and this gem: "Why do Liberals want to abort every unborn baby even against the mother's will?" I got a million of them.While I recognize your angst, you fail to grasp the most basic concept - there is little or no difference between a dollar and a hammer. Both are tools of creation ...What I meant was that, if a basic income plan replaced all other welfare programs, that benefit should not be reduced for people who are earning additional income. Government welfare programs already "reward" people for not working; I just think we should not penalize people for working by reducing their benefits, since this devalues their work.
I would rather see an EITC type program that augments income below a certain threshhold for a certain time period, say 2 or 3 years, after which you need to be moving up the income ladder. And as a society we need to be taking steps to ensure that upward mobility is possible, and THAT means a business environment that is conducive to new businesses starting up and existing businesses expanding. And THAT means lower taxes and lower costs of compliance with gov't regulations at every level. Anything that makes it more lucrative to operate a business.
Economic realities make that pretty much a no go. If third world political instability and poverty appeal to you, then we can do that, but it's unnecessary and merely sociopathic to go about it like some third world dictator would. We can shut off immigration, put a massive focus on birth control, and sterilization for those who can't exercise self-control or just refuse to, etc., and take a more gradual approach rather than go with some radical ideological pogrom or other. Of course we will have to deport most Democratic Party traitors, the party of sexual fetishists, thugs, and assorted racists to do anything positive, but I'm fine with that; it's something Thomas Jefferson would do. There is no real difference between some millionaire Wall Street insider trader and a 'welfare bum', neither are productive or valuable in any way in an economic sense, they all look alike to me, they want something for nothing, just like Goldman Sachs and any day trader does.
While I don't doubt you see a lot of things that aren't there, there is a world of difference between a dollar and a hammer, and the dollars made by the financial sector are most definitely not tools of creation' by any stretch, they are just as parasitic as those 'poor and lazy' you right wing ideologues claim to hate so much. As for myself, I'm not even a Communist or a right winger and don't require human life to be an 'economic unit' whose value is determined by how much money it can make, in the case of the lower classes how much they can be underpaid by some corporation for something or other, so some portfolio somewhere, maybe thousands of miles away, gets a nice big dividend for doing nothing but mooching off those hard working victims. I can fully understand why the parasites higher up the food chain hate the 'poor and lazy', they're not making any cash off of their labor, the same reason Marx hated them. There is no difference between Communists and Corporates and bankers for those that work; they all look alike, think alike, and mooch alike.
Did anybody see anyone returning any of the bailout money from a few years ago from the rescue of your 401K's and 'investments? Of course not, certainly not from right wingers, no big wave of 'doing the right thing' out of ideological purity from any, so quit pissing on our legs and trying to tell us it's raining.
lol claiming its a 'straw man' after all the sniveling in this thread by right wingers isn't very bright I also never claimed to hate the 'bill of Rights', nor am I even remotely an abortion supporter, just the opposite, speaking of real 'straw men' to knock down. When I see so-called 'conservatives' supporting real conservatism, I might be inclined to take them seriously, and a couple of them I do indeed consider serious posters, but most are just parrots, and have no real clue, they just like to make noises about pet issues and beating their chests as if they support 'hard work n stuff' when they wouldn't be caught dead doing hard work for a living.
Anybody up for doing away with the 'limited liability' scam, for instance? That's the welfare program that lets embezzlers loot companies and keep the money they stole for themselves, in case anybody in the Peanut Gallery isn't familiar with the scam 'private businesses' now almost universally operate under, where any idiot with a couple hundred bucks can 'incorporate' and get government protection for stealing other peoples' money. It's a key socialist program that make almost all of the Wall Street swindles possible, followed by piss poor accounting standards, 'private' bond rating agencies, and all the rest down the line, all of course designed specifically to keep stock holders and CEOs from having to take real responsibility; the latter is for 'everybody else', not them, like most right wing gibberish that involves making money with little or no risk.