Zakaria: Gingrich vrs Romney Fight is Birth of New GOP

[JimBowie1958]

I know Gingrich has been a Washington insider for decades, but he does not have the support of the GOP establishment and that is Zakaria's distinction between the two.

Everyone understands that but the point is will made as to the notion that Gingrich would be the ‘ideal’ TPM candidate, or that this shift from the corporate elite to the ‘grassroots’ of the TPM is somehow done with their approval – Gingrich represents everything the TPM hates about American politics on the National level. .

He polls pretty high among TPM people for someone these guys are supposed to hate.

In politics, you have to go with those who can build cooperative coalitions or else you are going to lose. This is one of Pauls biggest weaknesses, but not Gingriches, unless you perceive him as doing that kind of thing way too often.

It’s quite likely a significant number of TPM members are just as unhappy with Gingrich as Romany. Some may be a tad less hostile to Gingrich, but this is not how the TPM envisioned the 2012 primary to be.

No doubt.

But enthusiasm often leads while sobriety and analysis follows.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Let's hope that Michelle Bachman gets the nod before Rick Perry. That's all this country needs....another half illiterate, bible thumping Texas cowboy with his eye on big oil.

Like so many other things, you have no clue about Rick Perry.

 

[JimBowie1958]

"Smoke filled rooms" is a cliche. What the GOP is going through is the process the Founding Fathers established. If any political party went through a "rebirth" at least on the surface it's the shocking democrat party transition from moderate liberals under JFK to radical socialists under Barry Obama.

Radical socialist......a couple of things folks really need to wrap their minds around. George W. Bush assumed a balanced annual budget with surpluses projected all the way to the outyears.

He cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic oppostion, began to borrow from Communist Chinese banks for the first time in this country's history funneling borrowed money into the hands of the richest people in the country through those low rates. He doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion and funded his war of choice in Iraq off budget.

With no government oversite the Wall St. crowd leveraged worthless mortgages to levels far exceeding any normal transactions in our past and absolutely created the worst recession since the great depression. Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke engineered a gift to the banks of $800 billion with absolutely no specification as to how it had to be used. Bankers never missed a bonus or a lavish conference to exotic locations.

When Obama took over he was held to Bush's final budget intil October 1, 2009. At that time his first year's interest on the Reagan-Bushes debt was $450 billion. He also announced that he would no longer play tricks with the supplemental funding of the war off budget so immediately he had three quarters of a trillion dollars of expense left to him by the previous arrangements and the Republicans began to scream deficit hawk like there was no tomorrow. For the last two years all the Republicans in the congress have done is anything they could to make Obama look bad.

Now....about the health care. Theodore Roosevelt proposed a national health care program and several presidents since then have left a fingerprint on the basic idea. The Republicans oppose anything now which might interrupt astronomical bottom line profits for more than 500 companies which are getting well off of the nation's sick people while we still rank 37th in the world concerning general health and longevity.

I'll vote for Obama again even though here in Tennessee it's a joke. The eleven electoral votes from here will go to a Republican even if it's a loud mouthed yellow ***** coon dog.

Did you just call Obama a loud mouthed yellow ***** coon dog?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The idea that the supposedly meteoric rise of the Tea Party would culminate in the nomination of Newt Gingrich as their standard bearer for president sounds like something out a nasty satirical comedy.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The idea that the supposedly meteoric rise of the Tea Party would culminate in the nomination of Newt Gingrich as their standard bearer for president sounds like something out a nasty satirical comedy.

Meh, he's their fourth string, so what do you expect?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The idea that the supposedly meteoric rise of the Tea Party would culminate in the nomination of Newt Gingrich as their standard bearer for president sounds like something out a nasty satirical comedy.

Meh, he's their fourth string, so what do you expect?

I know. He's getting support in some cases from people who thought Bachmann, Perry, AND Cain were better choices.

The fact is, the Tea Party, because it's really nothing more than the far right wing of the GOP, can't win with a candidate that would suit them to a Tea.

 

[Oconnor4NYC]

this is nothing new and was evident in the 96 & 2000 Pres elections.
Its part of the disastrous Goldwater plan that turned the Republicans into the Dixiecrat Party.
George Wallace would have been proud of George W.

 

[Jackson]

I believe the nomination still lies in the hands on Gingrich or Romney. Romney is getting the endorsements now, but will it continue along the line? The attacks against Gingrich have been going on for some time and have just started to settle in from the last debate where he was targeted, in my mind, ruthlessly and Romney stayed above the fray. But, if the ads from Romney continue on the attack as I hear they are in Iowa right now, will it stay that way?

Gingrich seems to be the better all around alternative in leadership for all of the issues rather than Romney when it comes to defense and foreign affairs. Romney is good on the economy which is damn important now, but still our security is paramount also. Will the country perceptions follow this view as well?

I can't understand where Paul falls into the equation. Beyond the libertarion views, the country can't stand back and watch our security fall in the hands of a leadershipless man such as Paul in world affairs. Too naive.

We need strong leadership. Positive Leadership. From someone who loves this country. From someone who understands this world.

 

[Oconnor4NYC]

America does not need to blow up everyone they disagree with. Its time to talk to the Iranians

 

[Cammmpbell]

"Smoke filled rooms" is a cliche. What the GOP is going through is the process the Founding Fathers established. If any political party went through a "rebirth" at least on the surface it's the shocking democrat party transition from moderate liberals under JFK to radical socialists under Barry Obama.

Radical socialist......a couple of things folks really need to wrap their minds around. George W. Bush assumed a balanced annual budget with surpluses projected all the way to the outyears.

He cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic oppostion, began to borrow from Communist Chinese banks for the first time in this country's history funneling borrowed money into the hands of the richest people in the country through those low rates. He doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion and funded his war of choice in Iraq off budget.

With no government oversite the Wall St. crowd leveraged worthless mortgages to levels far exceeding any normal transactions in our past and absolutely created the worst recession since the great depression. Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke engineered a gift to the banks of $800 billion with absolutely no specification as to how it had to be used. Bankers never missed a bonus or a lavish conference to exotic locations.

When Obama took over he was held to Bush's final budget intil October 1, 2009. At that time his first year's interest on the Reagan-Bushes debt was $450 billion. He also announced that he would no longer play tricks with the supplemental funding of the war off budget so immediately he had three quarters of a trillion dollars of expense left to him by the previous arrangements and the Republicans began to scream deficit hawk like there was no tomorrow. For the last two years all the Republicans in the congress have done is anything they could to make Obama look bad.

Now....about the health care. Theodore Roosevelt proposed a national health care program and several presidents since then have left a fingerprint on the basic idea. The Republicans oppose anything now which might interrupt astronomical bottom line profits for more than 500 companies which are getting well off of the nation's sick people while we still rank 37th in the world concerning general health and longevity.

I'll vote for Obama again even though here in Tennessee it's a joke. The eleven electoral votes from here will go to a Republican even if it's a loud mouthed yellow ***** coon dog.

Did you just call Obama a loud mouthed yellow ***** coon dog?

I knew it............people who vote for the party of the wealthy can't read. If they could instead of just thumping their bibles they would know a little bit about what's in it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The idea that the supposedly meteoric rise of the Tea Party would culminate in the nomination of Newt Gingrich as their standard bearer for president sounds like something out a nasty satirical comedy.

Meh, he's their fourth string, so what do you expect?

I know. He's getting support in some cases from people who thought Bachmann, Perry, AND Cain were better choices.

The fact is, the Tea Party, because it's really nothing more than the far right wing of the GOP, can't win with a candidate that would suit them to a Tea.

I would take Cain over Gingrich too.

As to your take on likely success, that is a myth that the GOP cant win with 'too conservative' a condidate.

After the populists in the South walked away from the Democratic party, the GOP is a sure winner if they go to the right.

Candidates running as conservatives since 1972 have won; Nixon, Reagan, Bush the Elder prior to reneging on his no taxes pledge, and then W. Six elections, six wins.

Candidates running as 'sure to win' moderates, Ford, Bush the Elder after breaking his pledge, Dole and McCain all lost. Four of four, zip success for the RINOs.

The reason for that is that about 45% of the nation calls itself conservative, while moderates get 35% and libs 20%, and yet roughly the same number of libs turn out as conservatives when the RINOs run and lose, while conservatives are way higher with GOP conservatives heading the ticket.

It is obvious, the RINOs dont excite the base and dont turn out the conservative vote, and the GOP cant win without getting the conservative couch potatoes to the polls.

For every 1% a moderate picks up in the middle of the spectrum, the GOP sacrifices 3% of the base.

If the GOP wants to win they will pick a conservative who isnt a Trilateral commission, conspiracy obsessive, but does identify with the Christian conservative base of the country.

 

[JoeB131]

America does not need to blow up everyone they disagree with. Its time to talk to the Iranians

about what?

Seriously, what is there to talk to them about?

 

[Sallow]

Gingrich and Romney are the rebirth of the Republican Party? Who the f*ck would think that?

Oh ok, Fareed Zakaria. Nevermind.

He's one of the smartest men on the planet.

 

[Sallow]

America does not need to blow up everyone they disagree with. Its time to talk to the Iranians

about what?

Seriously, what is there to talk to them about?

Nothing really.

We should stop threatening them. They have every right to do what they want..so long as it doesn't involve massacring unarmed civilians.

 

[JoeB131]

America does not need to blow up everyone they disagree with. Its time to talk to the Iranians

about what?

Seriously, what is there to talk to them about?

Nothing really.

We should stop threatening them. They have every right to do what they want..so long as it doesn't involve massacring unarmed civilians.

That's the point, isn't it? We don't want them using a nuke to massacre unarmed civilians...

 

[francoHFW]

As Ron Paul says, there is NO evidence Iran wants nukes, just propaganda, and they haven't attacked anyone since Darius the Great...

 

[JimBowie1958]

Radical socialist......a couple of things folks really need to wrap their minds around. George W. Bush assumed a balanced annual budget with surpluses projected all the way to the outyears.

He cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic oppostion, began to borrow from Communist Chinese banks for the first time in this country's history funneling borrowed money into the hands of the richest people in the country through those low rates. He doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion and funded his war of choice in Iraq off budget.

With no government oversite the Wall St. crowd leveraged worthless mortgages to levels far exceeding any normal transactions in our past and absolutely created the worst recession since the great depression. Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke engineered a gift to the banks of $800 billion with absolutely no specification as to how it had to be used. Bankers never missed a bonus or a lavish conference to exotic locations.

When Obama took over he was held to Bush's final budget intil October 1, 2009. At that time his first year's interest on the Reagan-Bushes debt was $450 billion. He also announced that he would no longer play tricks with the supplemental funding of the war off budget so immediately he had three quarters of a trillion dollars of expense left to him by the previous arrangements and the Republicans began to scream deficit hawk like there was no tomorrow. For the last two years all the Republicans in the congress have done is anything they could to make Obama look bad.

Now....about the health care. Theodore Roosevelt proposed a national health care program and several presidents since then have left a fingerprint on the basic idea. The Republicans oppose anything now which might interrupt astronomical bottom line profits for more than 500 companies which are getting well off of the nation's sick people while we still rank 37th in the world concerning general health and longevity.

I'll vote for Obama again even though here in Tennessee it's a joke. The eleven electoral votes from here will go to a Republican even if it's a loud mouthed yellow ***** coon dog.

Did you just call Obama a loud mouthed yellow ***** coon dog?

I knew it............people who vote for the party of the wealthy can't read. If they could instead of just thumping their bibles they would know a little bit about what's in it.

I thought people in Tennessee like voting for coon dogs, so I interpretted your statement to be a contrast as in 'they will vote for a Republican even if they could vote for a coon dog'.

Be more clear next time, lol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

As Ron Paul says, there is NO evidence Iran wants nukes, just propaganda, and they haven't attacked anyone since Darius the Great...

Well, Paul needs to recheck his history book, lol.

Ever hear of Tamerlane? the Parthians? the Sassanids? the...well, never mind, whats the point? Ron Paul is always right. /sarcasm

 

[Cammmpbell]

Did you just call Obama a loud mouthed yellow ***** coon dog?

I knew it............people who vote for the party of the wealthy can't read. If they could instead of just thumping their bibles they would know a little bit about what's in it.

I thought people in Tennessee like voting for coon dogs, so I interpretted your statement to be a contrast as in 'they will vote for a Republican even if they could vote for a coon dog'.

Be more clear next time, lol.

Any choice one makes does not alter the fact that Tennessee is one of the RED bible thumping states which goes Republican in national elections.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I knew it............people who vote for the party of the wealthy can't read. If they could instead of just thumping their bibles they would know a little bit about what's in it.

I thought people in Tennessee like voting for coon dogs, so I interpretted your statement to be a contrast as in 'they will vote for a Republican even if they could vote for a coon dog'.

Be more clear next time, lol.

Any choice one makes does not alter the fact that Tennessee is one of the RED bible thumping states which goes Republican in national elections.

That is interesting, I have never seen a state thump a Bible before.

lol

Your hate for Christians seems to come out in almost every post you make.