YUGE WINNING! Obama's Un-American Mandate Repealed...

[Rustic]

Premiums will skyrocket particularly for pre existing conditions. I don’t see how this is good for the many Americans who finally have health insurance. And most Americans will see little benefit from tax cuts.

I'm sure they will go up, but it kind of won't matter. They won't be able to DENY coverage for pre-existing conditions, and a high premium means you still have to pay the benefit. It's the equivalent of letting you buy car insurance AFTER you've had an accident.

So?
Paying into a pool is good thing? Only fool would think so, why force anyone to pay for something that “might” happen? That’s communist shit

No. That is insurance.

If it is not 100% voluntary it’s worthless... Why force people into shit they do not want, will never use and cannot afford?

 

[Coyote]

$700 tax on every person who doesn’t want to buy Obamacare.

Bye bye tax on the poor.

Dems are scum. Trump just lowered taxes on the poor.

Well, no, he didn't.

He just raised insurance costs on everyone else.

Wait a second Yahoo, so before Obama care people didn't buy insurance, Obama care came along and raised premiums and deductibles sky high , now you are telling us if we get rid of the mandate it will raise them more?

Not logical

Very logical. Increased premiums could have been fixed if the Republicans had allowed it. Many people have no clue how insurance works.

If you don’t require insurance healthy people will opt out and healthy people are what keeps the cost down. That leaves sicker people needing more care in the system and nothing to offset those costs.

Premiums were going up before ACA, that was one of the reasons for behind the ACA.

Now the healthcare system is spinning like a wildly unbalanced wheel. And many of the people who benefited most from ACA are Trump voters. Ironic.

Why make healthy people pay for unhealthy people? Charity is not charity if it is not 100% voluntary. You sound like a spineless communist

You sound like an idiot. Here is why. Because I would rather pay for insurance then clean up the mess your uninsured ass makes when it hits the emergency room and you don’t have the funds to cover it.

 

[Rustic]

If I am driving, slide on some ice and hit another car and I am sued...I won’t lose everything.

If my ranch in Montana is burned down in a wildfire and I have lost everything, I can rebuild because I have insurance.

If my child gets diagnosed with neuroblastoma, I can get her the necessary treatment without losing her home, our savings and everything we own because I have insurance.

And in all those cases, insurance helps to insure those events won’t cause me to end up destitute on public assistance.

That’s fine if you want that, what about those that don’t want that? Why first people in the shit they will not use, do not want and can never afford?

 

[Coyote]

Sort of like Obamacare did. My what a short attention span we have.

Well, no, insurace costs were going to go up anyway... they are just going up faster now.

Good work.

But that’s not what was advertised

Why wouldn’t you allow it to be fixed?

 

[jc456]

If I am driving, slide on some ice and hit another car and I am sued...I won’t lose everything.

If my ranch in Montana is burned down in a wildfire and I have lost everything, I can rebuild because I have insurance.

If my child gets diagnosed with neuroblastoma, I can get her the necessary treatment without losing her home, our savings and everything we own because I have insurance.

And in all those cases, insurance helps to insure those events won’t cause me to end up destitute on public assistance.

But you wish to use others money to accomplish that. Nope, that’s not America

 

[Rustic]

$700 tax on every person who doesn’t want to buy Obamacare.

Bye bye tax on the poor.

Dems are scum. Trump just lowered taxes on the poor.

Well, no, he didn't.

He just raised insurance costs on everyone else.

Wait a second Yahoo, so before Obama care people didn't buy insurance, Obama care came along and raised premiums and deductibles sky high , now you are telling us if we get rid of the mandate it will raise them more?

Not logical

Very logical. Increased premiums could have been fixed if the Republicans had allowed it. Many people have no clue how insurance works.

If you don’t require insurance healthy people will opt out and healthy people are what keeps the cost down. That leaves sicker people needing more care in the system and nothing to offset those costs.

Premiums were going up before ACA, that was one of the reasons for behind the ACA.

Now the healthcare system is spinning like a wildly unbalanced wheel. And many of the people who benefited most from ACA are Trump voters. Ironic.

Why make healthy people pay for unhealthy people? Charity is not charity if it is not 100% voluntary. You sound like a spineless communist

You sound like an idiot. Here is why. Because I would rather pay for insurance then clean up the mess your uninsured ass makes when it hits the emergency room and you don’t have the funds to cover it.

Why don’t people pay for their own shit, therefore preparing for their own shit? You need to quit forcing other people into your cesspool

 

[Rustic]

Sort of like Obamacare did. My what a short attention span we have.

Well, no, insurace costs were going to go up anyway... they are just going up faster now.

Good work.

But that’s not what was advertised

Why wouldn’t you allow it to be fixed?

Because the concept of insurance is fucked up from the get go

 

[Coyote]

If I am driving, slide on some ice and hit another car and I am sued...I won’t lose everything.

If my ranch in Montana is burned down in a wildfire and I have lost everything, I can rebuild because I have insurance.

If my child gets diagnosed with neuroblastoma, I can get her the necessary treatment without losing her home, our savings and everything we own because I have insurance.

And in all those cases, insurance helps to insure those events won’t cause me to end up destitute on public assistance.

That’s fine if you want that, what about those that don’t want that? Why first people in the shit they will not use, do not want and can never afford?

Because with your logic....people will only get it after they are sick meaning healthy people like me who don’t need it yet will be paying a lot more because of them.

 

[jc456]

Sort of like Obamacare did. My what a short attention span we have.

Well, no, insurace costs were going to go up anyway... they are just going up faster now.

Good work.

But that’s not what was advertised

Why wouldn’t you allow it to be fixed?

The mandate was unconstitutional. the future prices for services has to come down

 

[Rustic]

Premiums will skyrocket particularly for pre existing conditions. I don’t see how this is good for the many Americans who finally have health insurance. And most Americans will see little benefit from tax cuts.

Premiums are already sky high. They are unaffordable at any speed.

--LOL

i helped someone the other day on the ACA website

the cost of their premiums and out of pocket

was more then what they will have in gross income

Because the Republicans have spent the last years trying to destroy it rather than impliment any of the many proposed fixes. They refuse to do anything so it will on the backs of us.

how was trump responsible for that before he was elected

these premiums had been decided long ago

You don't know much to have helped someone healthcare.gov, do you? Premium's are decided yearly.

Only a fool would go to that website and trust it

 

[Coyote]

Sort of like Obamacare did. My what a short attention span we have.

Well, no, insurace costs were going to go up anyway... they are just going up faster now.

Good work.

But that’s not what was advertised

Why wouldn’t you allow it to be fixed?

Because the concept of insurance is fucked up from the get go

So you knew by not implementing fixes rates would go higher and you wanted that?

 

[Rustic]

Why should poor people pay $700 to make insurance cheaper for others?

No answers, huh, Progs?

Obama put a tax on every poor person in America who didn’t want Obamacare.

That’s fucked up...

No he didnt. Poor people got coverage. Stop lying.

There isn’t a $695 penalty for poor people who don’t buy Obamacare?

Why don’t you explain the Obamacare mandate for all of us? How does it work, specifically?

I’ll hold my breath over here while you figure out how to explain the Obamacare mandate.

No, Mr know it all you explain the mandate and at what cutoff someone has to pay the penalty and tell us about the 50+ excemptions someone may apply for. You seem to have all the answers smart man.

The mandate is 100% on constitutional... end of story

 

[Rustic]

This is fine with me. On the other hand I question if those without health insurance should be allowed to be treated.if they get a bad illness then what?

Nope people that refuse to cover themselves should not be allowed treatment and refused at the ER, but then there is that pesky law.

People need to take care of their own shit, if not it’s their fault.

 

[Coyote]

Well, no, he didn't.

He just raised insurance costs on everyone else.

Wait a second Yahoo, so before Obama care people didn't buy insurance, Obama care came along and raised premiums and deductibles sky high , now you are telling us if we get rid of the mandate it will raise them more?

Not logical

Very logical. Increased premiums could have been fixed if the Republicans had allowed it. Many people have no clue how insurance works.

If you don’t require insurance healthy people will opt out and healthy people are what keeps the cost down. That leaves sicker people needing more care in the system and nothing to offset those costs.

Premiums were going up before ACA, that was one of the reasons for behind the ACA.

Now the healthcare system is spinning like a wildly unbalanced wheel. And many of the people who benefited most from ACA are Trump voters. Ironic.

Why make healthy people pay for unhealthy people? Charity is not charity if it is not 100% voluntary. You sound like a spineless communist

You sound like an idiot. Here is why. Because I would rather pay for insurance then clean up the mess your uninsured ass makes when it hits the emergency room and you don’t have the funds to cover it.

Why don’t people pay for their own shit, therefore preparing for their own shit? You need to quit forcing other people into your cesspool

You force people into your cesspool when something catastrophic happens and you can’t pay. Who pays for you? I don’t think you are Bill Gates or Trump and I doubt you are a Hari Kari sort of guy who will off himself to spare us the cost of paying for you.

 

[jc456]

Sort of like Obamacare did. My what a short attention span we have.

Well, no, insurace costs were going to go up anyway... they are just going up faster now.

Good work.

But that’s not what was advertised

Why wouldn’t you allow it to be fixed?

Because the concept of insurance is fucked up from the get go

So you knew by not implementing fixes rates would go higher and you wanted that?

Right now there is no healthcare under discussion. Services prices has to come down. Period

 

[Billy_Bob]

Let's see how much you're laughing when your premiums go up, as economists from both sides agree. At least 10% in the next year alone.

Trump has owned Obamacare from the minute he took office.

Vs the 65% that happened this year? No! democrats own that piece of shit.. and they will continue to own it..

 

[Rustic]

If I am driving, slide on some ice and hit another car and I am sued...I won’t lose everything.

If my ranch in Montana is burned down in a wildfire and I have lost everything, I can rebuild because I have insurance.

If my child gets diagnosed with neuroblastoma, I can get her the necessary treatment without losing her home, our savings and everything we own because I have insurance.

And in all those cases, insurance helps to insure those events won’t cause me to end up destitute on public assistance.

That’s fine if you want that, what about those that don’t want that? Why first people in the shit they will not use, do not want and can never afford?

Because with your logic....people will only get it after they are sick meaning healthy people like me who don’t need it yet will be paying a lot more because of them.

Let people buy insurance after they find out they’re sick and/or have to go to The emergency room. To hell with insurance companies.

 

[jc456]

Wait a second Yahoo, so before Obama care people didn't buy insurance, Obama care came along and raised premiums and deductibles sky high , now you are telling us if we get rid of the mandate it will raise them more?

Not logical

Very logical. Increased premiums could have been fixed if the Republicans had allowed it. Many people have no clue how insurance works.

If you don’t require insurance healthy people will opt out and healthy people are what keeps the cost down. That leaves sicker people needing more care in the system and nothing to offset those costs.

Premiums were going up before ACA, that was one of the reasons for behind the ACA.

Now the healthcare system is spinning like a wildly unbalanced wheel. And many of the people who benefited most from ACA are Trump voters. Ironic.

Why make healthy people pay for unhealthy people? Charity is not charity if it is not 100% voluntary. You sound like a spineless communist

You sound like an idiot. Here is why. Because I would rather pay for insurance then clean up the mess your uninsured ass makes when it hits the emergency room and you don’t have the funds to cover it.

Why don’t people pay for their own shit, therefore preparing for their own shit? You need to quit forcing other people into your cesspool

You force people into your cesspool when something catastrophic happens and you can’t pay. Who pays for you? I don’t think you are Bill Gates or Trump and I doubt you are a Hari Kari sort of guy who will off himself to spare us the cost of paying for you.

It’s called bankruptcy. It’s used today. If I have a problem I should be able to go to the specialist without all the other bullishit with my primary

 

[Rustic]

Sort of like Obamacare did. My what a short attention span we have.

Well, no, insurace costs were going to go up anyway... they are just going up faster now.

Good work.

But that’s not what was advertised

Why wouldn’t you allow it to be fixed?

Because the concept of insurance is fucked up from the get go

So you knew by not implementing fixes rates would go higher and you wanted that?

Let people buy insurance at the last minute and/or after the fact, **** the insurance companies.

 

[Rustic]

How do you make leftists? Give them something on transfer of wealth theories, then tell them the Republicans are going to take it away from them. It is a very diabolical, political, strategy.

How do you create Conservatives? Give them a job, then point at Democrats and show the people how they want to take more of their money to give to somebody else! It isn't rocket science.

Not at all... I've been working since I was 16, and what finally got me to stop voting Republican at 46 was the realization that the GOP doesn't give a **** about the people who do the work. They care about the people who have the money.

you see, what you fuckheads don't realize is that the reason why we have a dependent class is that for people who aren't crazy racists like Ray, whose boss won't even spring for his health insurance despite him being a great producers, is that when you cheat the workers at every turn, they are going to have more loyalty to government than their employers.

Now you know why Democrats fight so hard to consistently raise payouts for doing NOTHING! They have to keep a large % of the population on their modern "plantation," or they will be wiped out again like they were with Reagan!

Um, guy, the reason why Reagan "wiped out" the Democrats (not really, he lost control of Congress) was that Whites made up 83% of the electorate and he was very good at appealling to their racism.

Now they make up 68% and shrinking.

You obviously have never owned a business, the hired help never have skin in the game. And that’s fine that’s just the facts.