You think the Middle Class has problems now? You ain't seen nothin' yet!

[NYcarbineer]

Only 7% of Americans in the private sector are part of a union.

Yet, he says unions are the only representation Americans have left.

The poor math alone negates any need for proper response. But I will. He will never, ever, ever bring up this: How can we export jobs, while importing massive numbers of low wage "workers", and still expect our wages to stay the same?

Any individual who supports both unions and illegal immigration is a raging hypocrite. We are importing millions of unskilled, desperate people who will work for next to nothing. Unions supposedly fought to protect "workers" from having to accept those low wages.

So when unions also start protesting the importation of unskilled, desperate labor who is willing to work for far less, then I'll take them seriously.

The weaker labor is, in any capacity, the poorer the middle class gets.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Only 7% of Americans in the private sector are part of a union.

Yet, he says unions are the only representation Americans have left.

The poor math alone negates any need for proper response. But I will. He will never, ever, ever bring up this: How can we export jobs, while importing massive numbers of low wage "workers", and still expect our wages to stay the same?

Any individual who supports both unions and illegal immigration is a raging hypocrite. We are importing millions of unskilled, desperate people who will work for next to nothing. Unions supposedly fought to protect "workers" from having to accept those low wages.

So when unions also start protesting the importation of unskilled, desperate labor who is willing to work for far less, then I'll take them seriously.

This isn't rocket science. Follow the money...

Who profits from illegal workers working for desperate wages?

The Republicans are leading the charge to do nothing on I.I. - That's what it means to "Conserve the Status Quo"; to conserve the current directionality of the nations cash flow using all means available.

 

[rightwinger]

Just in my lifetime, I have seen a drop in the standard of living for the middle class. Harder to buy a home, harder to educate your kids, more expensive if you get sick. I see more and more kids in their mid twenties still living at home. It is not that they are losers or are lazy.....the opportunities are just not there

If you're comparing today to 25 years ago, you're on crack.

If you're comparing today to two years ago, you're correct.

Either way you cut it.

Wages have not kept pace with rising housing, healthcare,energy and education costs

I paid for tuition for four years of college working part time minimum wage jobs. You can't do that now It is becoming harder and harder for working middle class families to afford basic life needs

Getting rid of a workers ability to collectively bargain will not help

 

[AVG-JOE]

Unions are about the only real representation that the American Middle Class has left. Look at the current Republican Party. They were elected to help create jobs. Instead, they have done everything else. Why? Because their money comes from corporations. The day Darrel Issa was sworn in, he sent out emails to the biggest 150 companies in the US and asked for guidance. I suspect Republicans are doing exactly what their corporate masters told them to do.

Unintended Consequences tells you that with the support of Unions completely gone, both Democratic and Republicans politician will have to rely 100% on the support of big companies. That means whoever promises the most, get's the most money.

Goodbye safety. Goodbye clean air. Good by clean water. Goodbye education. Goodbye Social Security.

Hello cesspool. Hello smog. Hello birth defects. Hello tent cities.

I hope it's worth the cost.

The middle class has one other thing going for it - it's sheer size. And if enough middle class lifestyles are shed to make a difference, the middle class will have the sheer size of the lower class to back it up.

Face it folks. Taxes will be going up for those most able to afford to pay them before this is all over. If not now, then shortly after 2013 begins, and the sooner congress looks at the revenue side, the fewer new freshmen will be sworn in to the new congress in 2013.

Or maybe we should swear in hundreds of new congressional freshmen in 2013 with absolutely zero coming from the Republican OR Democrat parties?

If the Tea Party in the house brings measurable movement toward fair taxes and a reduction in paperwork along with serious cuts to the military and medicare promises, I'll be the first to say "re-elect". If not, I'll be looking for candidates who favor that stance.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Oh goody! Another worthless Class Warfare thread!

It's either class warfare, or class massacre, if the working class doesn't fight back.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Just in my lifetime, I have seen a drop in the standard of living for the middle class. Harder to buy a home, harder to educate your kids, more expensive if you get sick. I see more and more kids in their mid twenties still living at home. It is not that they are losers or are lazy.....the opportunities are just not there

If you're comparing today to 25 years ago, you're on crack.

If you're comparing today to two years ago, you're correct.

25 years ago was 1986, the height of the Reagan presidency. You're saying the middle class was even worse off then than it is now??

lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you don't understand why they were elected, how could you possibly understand what they are doing?

We completely understand why they were elected. The people with the money got enough propaganda out there that the dimwiddies thought these people would actually do something to create the jobs that they need. And, of course, the fact that they played the know nothings prejudices like a fiddle.

Job creation was a secondary plank.

Wow, a major history revision in just 6 words.

It must be easy footing, intellectually, to be a conservative.

 

[georgephillip]

Oh goody! Another worthless Class Warfare thread!

From the age slavery in Solomon's Mine through the times of Viking and Goth barbarism to the corporate shenanigans of today, class warfare drives Western 'Civilization'... why NOT another thread discussing it? It's a subject both broad and deep.

NOVA | Quest for Solomon's Mines

Barbarians: "Vikings/Goths" & "Mongols/Huns" History Channel

The Citizen: Corporate Shenanigans, Greed And The Will To Fight Back

Why is it conservatives don't see an $8 trillion housing bubble and the subsequent multi- trillion dollar bailout of those who caused and benefited from the inflation and collapse of that bubble as class war?

 

[Vanquish]

Only 7% of Americans in the private sector are part of a union.

Yet, he says unions are the only representation Americans have left.

The poor math alone negates any need for proper response. But I will. He will never, ever, ever bring up this: How can we export jobs, while importing massive numbers of low wage "workers", and still expect our wages to stay the same?

Any individual who supports both unions and illegal immigration is a raging hypocrite. We are importing millions of unskilled, desperate people who will work for next to nothing. Unions supposedly fought to protect "workers" from having to accept those low wages.

So when unions also start protesting the importation of unskilled, desperate labor who is willing to work for far less, then I'll take them seriously.

I'm glad someone brought this up. The invisible hand of "free market economy" (the term is a joke but that's another discussion) is dictating a world equilibrium of wages. Businesses will go where worker protections, material costs, and wages are all low. Until the entire world equalizes...the more developed nations will always suffer.

The way we've won that war in the past is with innovation. You need workers skilled to do something low-rent workers can't be skilled to do. That's why...hate the green movement or not...it's a ripe way to use all the PC bullshit against everyone. A new industry that we can rule and keep our economy afloat.

Unions fight for power. Power which can be good or evil, depending on who's using it. Capiche? I, personally, think that unions are outdated and aggregate too much power and cause stagnancy, but to say they are 100% incapable of affording protections is flat wrong.

There ought to exist the freedom of association, but it can be misused.

 

[whitehall]

Unions? Surely you jest. Unions are just a tool for democrat politicians to get funding and votes. Nobody likes unions and percentage wise few middle class workers belong to them. Unions would have ceased to exist if it wasn't for archaic laws called "union shops" that force people to contribute to crooked unions or lose their jobs. Under socialism there is no middle class. That's where we are headed and that's what we need to fear. Factor in the high cost of gas and another 10,000 IRS agents and you have a war against the middle class courtesy of the Obamites.

 

[The T]

Oh goody! Another worthless Class Warfare thread!

From the age slavery in Solomon's Mine through the times of Viking and Goth barbarism to the corporate shenanigans of today, class warfare drives Western 'Civilization'... why NOT another thread discussing it? It's a subject both broad and deep.

NOVA | Quest for Solomon's Mines

Barbarians: "Vikings/Goths" & "Mongols/Huns" History Channel

The Citizen: Corporate Shenanigans, Greed And The Will To Fight Back

Why is it conservatives don't see an $8 trillion housing bubble and the subsequent multi- trillion dollar bailout of those who caused and benefited from the inflation and collapse of that bubble as class war?

When it is Government that causes such things? You're kidding...right?

 

[driveby]

Just in my lifetime, I have seen a drop in the standard of living for the middle class. Harder to buy a home, harder to educate your kids, more expensive if you get sick. I see more and more kids in their mid twenties still living at home. It is not that they are losers or are lazy.....the opportunities are just not there

If you're comparing today to 25 years ago, you're on crack.

If you're comparing today to two years ago, you're correct.

25 years ago was 1986, the height of the Reagan presidency. You're saying the middle class was even worse off then than it is now??

lol

Easier to buy a home now was my main point, but we see how that turned out.......

 

[NYcarbineer]

Only 7% of Americans in the private sector are part of a union.

Yet, he says unions are the only representation Americans have left.

The poor math alone negates any need for proper response. But I will. He will never, ever, ever bring up this: How can we export jobs, while importing massive numbers of low wage "workers", and still expect our wages to stay the same?

Any individual who supports both unions and illegal immigration is a raging hypocrite. We are importing millions of unskilled, desperate people who will work for next to nothing. Unions supposedly fought to protect "workers" from having to accept those low wages.

So when unions also start protesting the importation of unskilled, desperate labor who is willing to work for far less, then I'll take them seriously.

I'm glad someone brought this up. The invisible hand of "free market economy" (the term is a joke but that's another discussion) is dictating a world equilibrium of wages. Businesses will go where worker protections, material costs, and wages are all low. Until the entire world equalizes...the more developed nations will always suffer.

The way we've won that war in the past is with innovation. You need workers skilled to do something low-rent workers can't be skilled to do. That's why...hate the green movement or not...it's a ripe way to use all the PC bullshit against everyone. A new industry that we can rule and keep our economy afloat.

Unions fight for power. Power which can be good or evil, depending on who's using it. Capiche? I, personally, think that unions are outdated and aggregate too much power and cause stagnancy, but to say they are 100% incapable of affording protections is flat wrong.

There ought to exist the freedom of association, but it can be misused.

From a global perspective, American workers are overpaid. From a conservative free market perspective, American workers are overpaid. Conservative market philosophy dictates that work goes to the cheapest source of labor that is competitive.

That is not a formula for American prosperity.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yeah. We havent seen anything yet. The rest of rdean and his buddies' master plan has yet to come to fruition.

What do you expect from people delibrately trying to make the nation worse like he is?

 

[boedicca]

Yeah. We havent seen anything yet. The rest of rdean and his buddies' master plan has yet to come to fruition.

What do you expect from people delibrately trying to make the nation worse like he is?

Right. ObamaCare doesn't completely go into effect until 2014. That's when thing Really Go To Hell.

 

[The T]

Yeah. We havent seen anything yet. The rest of rdean and his buddies' master plan has yet to come to fruition.

What do you expect from people delibrately trying to make the nation worse like he is?

Right. ObamaCare doesn't completely go into effect until 2014. That's when thing Really Go To Hell.

That is unless that the Florida ruling is upheld by SCOTUS before then.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Unions are about the only real representation that the American Middle Class has left. Look at the current Republican Party. They were elected to help create jobs. Instead, they have done everything else. Why? Because their money comes from corporations. The day Darrel Issa was sworn in, he sent out emails to the biggest 150 companies in the US and asked for guidance. I suspect Republicans are doing exactly what their corporate masters told them to do.

Unintended Consequences tells you that with the support of Unions completely gone, both Democratic and Republicans politician will have to rely 100% on the support of big companies. That means whoever promises the most, get's the most money.

Goodbye safety. Goodbye clean air. Good by clean water. Goodbye education. Goodbye Social Security.

Hello cesspool. Hello smog. Hello birth defects. Hello tent cities.

I hope it's worth the cost.

It gets better-yet.....for the high-roller$/1%ers!!!!!​

"The Republican strategy is to split the vast middle and working class - pitting unionized workers against non-unionized, public-sector workers against non-public, older workers within sight of Medicare and Social Security against younger workers who don't believe these programs will be there for them, and the poor against the working middle class.

Republicans would rather no one notice their campaign to shrink the pie even further with additional tax cuts for the rich - making the Bush tax cuts permanent, further reducing the estate tax, and allowing the wealthy to shift ever more of their income into capital gain$ taxed at 15 percent."

GOP Strategy To Split Lower Classes​

 

[Jackson]

The real answer to this is no tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and no unions. Everyone gets raises on their own performances and pays for their own health care and prepares for their own pensions through IRA's and Plans through companies.

That would help stablize the state budgets with commom sense and lure businesses back to their state.

 

[The T]

Unions are about the only real representation that the American Middle Class has left. Look at the current Republican Party. They were elected to help create jobs. Instead, they have done everything else. Why? Because their money comes from corporations. The day Darrel Issa was sworn in, he sent out emails to the biggest 150 companies in the US and asked for guidance. I suspect Republicans are doing exactly what their corporate masters told them to do.

Unintended Consequences tells you that with the support of Unions completely gone, both Democratic and Republicans politician will have to rely 100% on the support of big companies. That means whoever promises the most, get's the most money.

Goodbye safety. Goodbye clean air. Good by clean water. Goodbye education. Goodbye Social Security.

Hello cesspool. Hello smog. Hello birth defects. Hello tent cities.

I hope it's worth the cost.

It gets better-yet.....for the high-roller$/1%ers!!!!!​

"The Republican strategy is to split the vast middle and working class - pitting unionized workers against non-unionized, public-sector workers against non-public, older workers within sight of Medicare and Social Security against younger workers who don't believe these programs will be there for them, and the poor against the working middle class.

Republicans would rather no one notice their campaign to shrink the pie even further with additional tax cuts for the rich - making the Bush tax cuts permanent, further reducing the estate tax, and allowing the wealthy to shift ever more of their income into capital gain$ taxed at 15 percent."

GOP Strategy To Split Lower Classes​

 

[rightwinger]

Unions? Surely you jest. Unions are just a tool for democrat politicians to get funding and votes. Nobody likes unions and percentage wise few middle class workers belong to them. Unions would have ceased to exist if it wasn't for archaic laws called "union shops" that force people to contribute to crooked unions or lose their jobs. Under socialism there is no middle class. That's where we are headed and that's what we need to fear. Factor in the high cost of gas and another 10,000 IRS agents and you have a war against the middle class courtesy of the Obamites.

I thought that was what ACORN did? I guess now that ACORN has been destroyed, unions are next on the hit list