"You didn't get there on your own"

[kaz]

Again the worthless lying Romney scum left out this most important contextual part: "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." Romney scum can't stop themselves from lying just like their lying leader.

You've never been on a team before, have you Mr. Ed? I for one say thanks!

 

[The T]

Too simplistic. In order for a society to function harmoniously, the natural rights of Individuals MUST be respected. Otherwise, predictable tumult will result. The Founders knew that.

Indeed.

See The writings of John Locke

Exactly. I just did a really long post on that the other day, linked above. If people would just take the time and start at the beginning, with the question of "what makes certain rights unalienable"... we wouldn't have the horrible division we have in this country. It's not enough to read a copy of the U.S. Constitution. We have to think about what it means and why it says what it does.

And why the Constitution took as long as it did to ratify and everything they considered to protect Liberty.

People don't understand that just because the Revolution was over...a new nation was born...and that was it.

Long way from it. The Founders went back to the Greeks and Romans...

They were taking the best parts of history and trying something that had never been done in the history of mankind. They were very careful.

 

[edthecynic]

Context, conservatives.....context

. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Where did business build roads and bridges?

When they pay their share and more of the taxes. We've been through this... again, and again, and again. These people aren't getting something for nothing. They're ALREADY paying. The "context" is that Obama wants more. And the worst part of it is... that giving him more wouldn't be a drop in the bucket and he KNOWS it. This is just a political game to him in order to create division and solidify his base.
How sick is that?

Yeah, and that bullshit has been shot down over and over and over.

Table 1 Sources of Federal Revenue (billions of 2003 dollars)
Capital gains tax 45
Corporate income tax 132
Individual income tax 794
Social Security taxes 713
Total revenues 1,782
Source: Historical Tables: Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2005 (Washington, D.C: Government Printing Office, 2004), Table 2.1, p. 22. Capital Gains from CBO.
Note: Columns do not add because not all sources of federal revenue are shown.

 

[Murf76]

Indeed.

See The writings of John Locke

Exactly. I just did a really long post on that the other day, linked above. If people would just take the time and start at the beginning, with the question of "what makes certain rights unalienable"... we wouldn't have the horrible division we have in this country. It's not enough to read a copy of the U.S. Constitution. We have to think about what it means and why it says what it does.

And why the Constitution took as long as it did to ratify and everything they considered to protect Liberty.

People don't understand that just because the Revolution was over...a new nation was born...and that was it.

Long way from it. The Founders went back to the Greeks and Romans...

They were taking the best parts of history and trying something that had never been done in the history of mankind. They were very careful.

Well, it helped that they didn't have TV and video games to distract them.
Books were precious in those day, not only read, but contemplated... some ideas accepted, others discarded. We need to rediscover that quality in ourselves... before it's too late.

 

[The T]

Exactly. I just did a really long post on that the other day, linked above. If people would just take the time and start at the beginning, with the question of "what makes certain rights unalienable"... we wouldn't have the horrible division we have in this country. It's not enough to read a copy of the U.S. Constitution. We have to think about what it means and why it says what it does.

And why the Constitution took as long as it did to ratify and everything they considered to protect Liberty.

People don't understand that just because the Revolution was over...a new nation was born...and that was it.

Long way from it. The Founders went back to the Greeks and Romans...

They were taking the best parts of history and trying something that had never been done in the history of mankind. They were very careful.

Well, it helped that they didn't have TV and video games to distract them.
Books were precious in those day, not only read, but contemplated... some ideas accepted, others discarded. We need to rediscover that quality in ourselves... before it's too late.

Couldn't agree more. Well stated.

 

[Murf76]

Context, conservatives.....context

. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Where did business build roads and bridges?

When they pay their share and more of the taxes. We've been through this... again, and again, and again. These people aren't getting something for nothing. They're ALREADY paying. The "context" is that Obama wants more. And the worst part of it is... that giving him more wouldn't be a drop in the bucket and he KNOWS it. This is just a political game to him in order to create division and solidify his base.
How sick is that?

Yeah, and that bullshit has been shot down over and over and over.

Table 1 Sources of Federal Revenue (billions of 2003 dollars)
Capital gains tax 45
Corporate income tax 132
Individual income tax 794
Social Security taxes 713
Total revenues 1,782
Source: Historical Tables: Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2005 (Washington, D.C: Government Printing Office, 2004), Table 2.1, p. 22. Capital Gains from CBO.
Note: Columns do not add because not all sources of federal revenue are shown.

LLCs and S Corps, Ed. I'm trying to be patient, but I'm wearing thin with you. We've been here before.

 

[bripat9643]

Context, conservatives.....context

. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Where did business build roads and bridges?

The business didn't build the Staples store down the street. nevertheless, they couldn't operate if it wasn't for stores like that. If Staples isn't entitled to anything more than the price of the items it sells, then why is the government entitled to anything more than the cost of providing the services is supplies?

 

[edthecynic]

When they pay their share and more of the taxes. We've been through this... again, and again, and again. These people aren't getting something for nothing. They're ALREADY paying. The "context" is that Obama wants more. And the worst part of it is... that giving him more wouldn't be a drop in the bucket and he KNOWS it. This is just a political game to him in order to create division and solidify his base.
How sick is that?

Yeah, and that bullshit has been shot down over and over and over.

Table 1 Sources of Federal Revenue (billions of 2003 dollars)
Capital gains tax 45
Corporate income tax 132
Individual income tax 794
Social Security taxes 713
Total revenues 1,782
Source: Historical Tables: Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2005 (Washington, D.C: Government Printing Office, 2004), Table 2.1, p. 22. Capital Gains from CBO.
Note: Columns do not add because not all sources of federal revenue are shown.

LLCs and S Corps, Ed. I'm trying to be patient, but I'm wearing thin with you. We've been here before.

All you do is pontificate, like the "zombie" you linked to. Post some real numbers that show corporations paying "their share and more."

Corporations contribute 7.4% of federal revenues, wage earners 84.6%, and capital gains tycoons 2.5%.

 

[Mac1958]

.

"I'm always struck by people who think, 'well it must be 'cause I was just so smart'. There are a lot of smart people out there. 'It must be because I worked harder than anybody else'. Let me tell you something. There are a whole bunch of hard working people out there'."

How do you know what a business person is thinking, Mr President?

How many business owners have you actually heard say "I'm so smart" or "I work harder than anybody"?, Mr President? Precisely? After working with a few hundred of them, I never have, not once. You just made this shit up to appeal to people who, for the most part, have no idea what it's like.

This all a lovely straw man argument, but his mockery above has nothing to do with roads and bridges. Not a thing.

But keep diverting, it seems to be working, that's politics, huh?

.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Obama also had a friend he called 'FRANK' and referred to in his book 22 times.

Frank Marshall Davis...Known Communist...

Imagine if Romney had a bunch of Nazi friends in his past? The liberals would be berserko crazy, but a communist is fine, after all the liberals spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb.

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” ~ Adolf Hitler, May 1st, 1927





Through Frank Marshall Davis,( Communist Party number: 47544) Obama had an admitted deep and prolonged relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path.
But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."

 

[Papageorgio]

All of a sudden context matters to liberals...


Barry says what he says and libs say he didn't...

That'll play well in Peoria....

Context only matters to liberals when libbies talk but in this case, even in context, Obama reveals his lack of appreciation for small business and the risks they take.

 

[Murf76]

Yeah, and that bullshit has been shot down over and over and over.

Table 1 Sources of Federal Revenue (billions of 2003 dollars)
Capital gains tax 45
Corporate income tax 132
Individual income tax 794
Social Security taxes 713
Total revenues 1,782
Source: Historical Tables: Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2005 (Washington, D.C: Government Printing Office, 2004), Table 2.1, p. 22. Capital Gains from CBO.
Note: Columns do not add because not all sources of federal revenue are shown.

LLCs and S Corps, Ed. I'm trying to be patient, but I'm wearing thin with you. We've been here before.

All you do is pontificate, like the "zombie" you linked to. Post some real numbers that show corporations paying "their share and more."

Corporations contribute 7.4% of federal revenues, wage earners 84.6%, and capital gains tycoons 2.5%.

It's not 'pontification', Ed. It's patience. I come here to talk... not to fight with people. Talking is actually fun when one doesn't make a chore of it. And while I enjoy talking with the like-minded, debating opposing views is also entertaining. But less so, when people keep repeating the same lame misunderstanding of the situation time after time.

Obama's not just trying to raise taxes on corporations. When he's talking to most of these small business people, he's talking income tax.

 

[The T]

All of a sudden context matters to liberals...


Barry says what he says and libs say he didn't...

That'll play well in Peoria....

Context only matters to liberals when libbies talk but in this case, even in context, Obama reveals his lack of appreciation for small business and the risks they take.

Seeing as though Obama hasn't taken any real risk...and considers those that DO an enemy.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. "YOU DIDN"T BUILD THAT!
2. SOME ONE ELSE DID!
3. Obama's last words in this election.
4. YOU DIDN"T BUILD THAT!!!


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[ABikerSailor]

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"I'm always struck by people who think, 'well it must be 'cause I was just so smart'. There are a lot of smart people out there. 'It must be because I worked harder than anybody else'. Let me tell you something. There are a whole bunch of hard working people out there'."

How do you know what a business person is thinking, Mr President?

How many business owners have you actually heard say "I'm so smart" or "I work harder than anybody"?, Mr President? Precisely? After working with a few hundred of them, I never have, not once. You just made this shit up to appeal to people who, for the most part, have no idea what it's like.

This all a lovely straw man argument, but his mockery above has nothing to do with roads and bridges. Not a thing.

But keep diverting, it seems to be working, that's politics, huh?

.

I can give you an example of one rich person who states both those things regularly and even has a television show..........................Donald the Chump.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

.

"I'm always struck by people who think, 'well it must be 'cause I was just so smart'. There are a lot of smart people out there. 'It must be because I worked harder than anybody else'. Let me tell you something. There are a whole bunch of hard working people out there'."

How do you know what a business person is thinking, Mr President?

How many business owners have you actually heard say "I'm so smart" or "I work harder than anybody"?, Mr President? Precisely? After working with a few hundred of them, I never have, not once. You just made this shit up to appeal to people who, for the most part, have no idea what it's like.

This all a lovely straw man argument, but his mockery above has nothing to do with roads and bridges. Not a thing.

But keep diverting, it seems to be working, that's politics, huh?

.

I can give you an example of one rich person who states both those things regularly and even has a television show..........................Donald the Chump.

are you giving one because there is only one???

 

[edthecynic]

LLCs and S Corps, Ed. I'm trying to be patient, but I'm wearing thin with you. We've been here before.

All you do is pontificate, like the "zombie" you linked to. Post some real numbers that show corporations paying "their share and more."

Corporations contribute 7.4% of federal revenues, wage earners 84.6%, and capital gains tycoons 2.5%.

It's not 'pontification', Ed. It's patience. I come here to talk... not to fight with people. Talking is actually fun when one doesn't make a chore of it. And while I enjoy talking with the like-minded, debating opposing views is also entertaining. But less so, when people keep repeating the same lame misunderstanding of the situation time after time.

Obama's not just trying to raise taxes on corporations. When he's talking to most of these small business people, he's talking income tax.

Translation: I checked and found out that only about 3% of small businesses net over $250,000 and would be hit by letting the Bush tax cuts expire.

Of course none of this has anything to do with the fact that corporations pay only 7.4% of federal revenue and wage earners pay 84.6%.

 

[saveliberty]

All you do is pontificate, like the "zombie" you linked to. Post some real numbers that show corporations paying "their share and more."

Corporations contribute 7.4% of federal revenues, wage earners 84.6%, and capital gains tycoons 2.5%.

Total BS from EdtheLiar. Corporations contribute over half an employees Social Security and Medicare, so the percentage should be at least 9% higher. Then there's the little matter of corporate tax which is paid AGAIN by the individuals who own the company. It is a double tax in most cases.

 

[edthecynic]

All you do is pontificate, like the "zombie" you linked to. Post some real numbers that show corporations paying "their share and more."

Corporations contribute 7.4% of federal revenues, wage earners 84.6%, and capital gains tycoons 2.5%.

Total BS from EdtheLiar. Corporations contribute over half an employees Social Security and Medicare, so the percentage should be at least 9% higher. Then there's the little matter of corporate tax which is paid AGAIN by the individuals who own the company. It is a double tax in most cases.

Total BS from savepuberty. The government counts the corporate half of SS as the wage earner's INCOME.

Source: Congressional Budget Office.
Notes: Income categories are defined by ranking all people by their comprehensive household income adjusted for household
size--that is, divided by the square root of the household's size. (A household consists of the people who share a housing
unit, regardless of their relationships.) Quintiles, or fifths, of the income distribution contain equal numbers of people.
Comprehensive household income equals pretax cash income plus income from other sources. Pretax cash income is
the sum of wages, salaries, self-employment income, rents, taxable and nontaxable interest, dividends, realized capital
gains, cash transfer payments, and retirement benefits plus taxes paid by businesses (corporate income taxes and the
employer's share of Social Security, Medicare, and federal unemployment insurance payroll taxes) and employee contri-
butions to 401(k) retirement plans. Other sources of income include all in-kind benefits (Medicare, Medicaid, employer-
paid health insurance premiums, food stamps, school lunches and breakfasts, housing assistance, and energy assis-
tance). Households with negative income are excluded from the lowest income category but are included in the totals.

And the corporate tax is hardly a double tax, and for too many corporations it is not even a single tax!!!!!

Representation Without Taxation | U.S. PIRG

REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION

Fortune 500 Companies that Spend Big on Lobbying and Avoid Taxes
RELEASED BY: U.S. PIRG EDUCATION FUND RELEASE DATE: WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 18, 2012

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280 profitable Fortune 500 companies collectively paid an effective federal income tax rate of 18.5 percent, about half of the statutory 35 percent corporate tax rate, while receiving $223 billion in tax subsidies.

These corporations include most of the Fortune 500 companies that were consistently profitable from 2008 through 2010. Collectively they paid $250.8 billion in federal income taxes on a total of $1,352.8 billion in U.S. profits. If they had paid the statutory 35 percent tax on their profits, they would have paid an extra $223 billion. There are thousands of perfectly legal ways that corporations, with the help of armies of high-paid lawyers and accountants, can reduce their tax burden

These 280 companies spent a total of $2 billion lobbying on tax and other issues between 2008 and 2010.

We also identify the “Dirty Thirty” companies that were especially aggressive at dodging taxes and lobbying Congress. These companies so deftly exploited carve outs and loopholes in the tax code that all but one of them enjoyed a negative tax rate over the three year period of the study, while spending nearly half a billion dollars to lobby Congress on issues including tax policy. Altogether they collected $10.6 billion in tax rebates from the federal government, while skirting a total of $67.9 billion in taxes they would have paid had they paid the statutory 35 percent tax rate.

Ordinary American taxpayers and small businesses must pick up the tab when major corporations avoid their taxes. Spread out over every individual tax filer in America, the taxes avoided by the Dirty Thirty breaks down to an average of $481 per taxpayer.

Exploiting offshore tax havens – an example of tax dodging at its worst.

Loopholes that allow corporations to avoid taxes by shifting profits offshore are particularly egregious. At least 22 of the dirty thirty have reported subsidiaries in offshore tax havens like the Cayman Islands. Since profit artificially shifted offshore is often counted as “foreign” profits, this corporate tax data doesn’t reflect the amount lost due to tax havens. All told, offshore tax havens cost American taxpayers an estimated $100 billion in lost revenue every year. At least 83 of the nation’s top 100 publicly traded corporations have subsidiaries in tax haven countries.

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[flacaltenn]

Context, conservatives.....context

. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Where did business build roads and bridges?

I know a LOT of bridges that have $6 and $8 dollar tolls. All paid by companies and employees.. NOT GIVEN by the government. Same with gas taxes, trucking tariffs, and various other methods of funding.. ALL paid for LARGELY by business and business related taxes and fees. Obama wants you to IGNORE the source of the funding for these things and who creates the cash stream to finance them. As tho they are GIFTS from the benevolent guy behind the Oz curtain..

Of course "bridges to nowhere" are quite popular as monuments to Government personalities that want to be immortalized at the taxpayers expense. You build a "bridge to nowhere" and they likely won't come and pay for it..