You are unemployed and want a new job, under a Democratic president you have a better chance of getting one!

[Toddsterpatriot]

Todd, if you were as informed as you claim, you'd know that condescension doesn't make you more persuasive—it just exposes insecurity. Your argument ignores the broader context in which the government purchased subprime mortgages. From whom did the government buy these toxic assets? The private sector created, bundled, and sold these risky investments, largely due to deregulation and the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which they lobbied for extensively. The government, in turn, bailed them out when their reckless profiteering led to the financial collapse.

The private sector's drive for profits at the expense of economic stability is the real issue here. Without Glass-Steagall's repeal, the scale of the crisis would have been far smaller. Your attempt to deflect blame away from deregulation and corporate greed onto government purchases of these bad loans misses the mark entirely. Also, the link you provided is broken, which makes your reference invalid. If you’re going to cite evidence, ensure it’s accessible and reliable.

Your argument ignores the broader context in which the government purchased subprime mortgages. From whom did the government buy these toxic assets?


There is only one source of mortgages. The private sector.
Where did Fannie and Freddie buy high quality mortgages before the HUD mandate? You're right, the private sector.

How many low-quality mortgages, issued to people with low credit scores and small down-payments were created before the CRA? Some, but not as many. When the government forced banks to lower their standards in order to expand, banks lowered their standards. When the government forced banks to lower their standards in order to merge with other banks, banks lowered their standards.

When HUD forced Fannie and Freddie to make 30% of their mortgage purchases subprime mortgages, what did Fannie and Freddie do? They called up mortgage providers in the private sector and said, "We want to buy billions of dollars of subprime mortgages".
What does the private sector do when a government backed buyer demands billions of dollars of a product? LOL!


The private sector created, bundled, and sold these risky investments,


It sounds like, by 2008, the private sector only handled 30% of those risky investments. The government agencies plus Fannie and Freddie handled 70% of them. WOW!


The private sector's drive for profits at the expense of economic stability is the real issue here.

The public sector's multi-trillion-dollar demand for crap looks like it was a very large part of the real issue here.


Also, the link you provided is broken, which makes your reference invalid. If you’re going to cite evidence, ensure it’s accessible and reliable.


It's not broken. It's here......post #1248

You are unemployed and want a new job, under a Democratic president you have a better chance of getting one!

Yeah, and spending it on illegal aliens. Now who could be behind that ? 🤔 You mean to tell me that Trump's plan to deport 11 million+ immigrants is not going to cause additional spending? You mean to say that Trump's wall, was going to be free? Mexico certainly was not going to pay for it...

www.usmessageboard.com

It's you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You ignored every point I made, but others won't. Capitalism also relies on our dime:

Rank	Parent	Subsidy Value	Number of Awards
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,830,986,253	1,200
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
41	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	General Electric	$1,645,135,367	958
45	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
46	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
47	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,563,595,610	64
48	General Atomics	$1,510,875,891	112
49	IBM Corp.	$1,497,901,697	368
50	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	325
51	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
52	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
53	Corning Inc.	$1,391,603,359	401
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
56	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
57	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,014,883	285
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
61	CF Industries	$1,134,394,215	131
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
68	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

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Capitalism makes its profits private and its losses public, forcing society to bail them out.

Tell liberal states to stop handing tax dollars to corporations.

 

[Delldude]

Cronyism is endemic to capitalism unless you have a strong nationalist, socialist government that puts capitalists in their proper place (as well as politicians who hold office for the wrong reasons).

Why is it then those type of ideology based governments are more corrupt than the dreaded capitalists?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Why is it then those type of ideology based governments are more corrupt than the dreaded capitalists?

As if the US government isn't based on ideology, or isn't corrupt. It's amazing how confused you are.

 

[Delldude]

As if the US government isn't based on ideology, or isn't corrupt. It's amazing how confused you are.

Well from what we see around the world, it 'appears' our system may be less corrupt than, say, Ukraine or Russia or China, to name a few, except here you can become a member of congress and become filthy rich in a matter of years....

 

[Soupnazi630]

I'm right, you're wrong.



Capitalists in pursuit of profits have murdered hundreds of millions of people. If you count dead unborn babies, add another 100 million right off the bat.




You're a delusional, brainwashed drone, defending his capitalist, genocidal masters.

Nooe you are wrong and proven so

Capitalists ghave murdered no one in the name of capitalism

You are defending evil

 

[Soupnazi630]

As if the US government isn't based on ideology, or isn't corrupt. It's amazing how confused you are.

Governemtns are always corrupt to one degree or another.

Ideologies vary however and marxism / communism/ socialism are the most corrupt of all

they have murdered more than any other ideology.

Capitalists have crime and corruption but no one has bothered to murder others in the name of capitalism

 

[billyerock123]

Watching you socialist/communist pour it on, and doing so with your twisted interpretation of the history and purpose of this nation's travels is just simply amazing.

I am a smart individual that is smart enough for some reason or another, too have been granted the insight that is fortunate enough to read between the lines in order to spot bull chit no matter how good you leftist try to package it, and then attempt to wrap it up nicely, and sadly with a traditional RW&B bowe.

That information is from the government site … not some whacked out blogger or some conspiracy theorist .. like always you have no idea what you are talking about … you tepub-lie-clowns call us a commie or socialist and then you pat yourself on your back … forget about facts …

 

[TruthNotBS]

Governemtns are always corrupt to one degree or another.

Ideologies vary however and marxism / communism/ socialism are the most corrupt of all

they have murdered more than any other ideology.

Capitalists have crime and corruption but no one has bothered to murder others in the name of capitalism

You're wrong, hundreds of millions of lives have been lost in the capitalist pursuit of profits and market share. Over the capitalist's effort to own resources and control markets, millions of innocent people have been ruined and murdered, and for you to pretend otherwise, shows that you're not aware of the history of capitalism, in bed with colonialism and imperialism. War profiteers in modern times are always looking to create boogiemen, enemies, for their country, to create fear and hence more weapons sales, increasing investment in defense and strategic planning.

In recent history, the expansion of NATO unto Russia's doorstep, the war in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, the civil wars and military coups that the US State Department supports, through the funding of political dissidents in other countries, and the arming and training of rebels throughout the third world, all of that leads to millions of people being displaced from their homes, forced into refugee status and massive death. You conveniently ignore all of this, not to speak of the history of Western imperial colonialism, often fueled by the capitalist effort to control resources and markets. You're either ignorant or dishonest, concerning all of the above.

Much of what we've heard about the Soviet Union and the German Third Reich is a lie. These two socialist countries weren't nearly as bad as Cold War, Western capitalist, post-Holocaust Jewish propaganda portrayed them. Again, all of you brainwashed, working-class capitalist defenders, have been hoodwinked by your wealthy employers (exploiters), through 70 years of Cold War, anti-socialist propaganda. You're so conditioned and programmed against any form of socialism, that you are your own worst enemy, always voting in elections against your class interests. You have no class consciousness at all, thanks to the conditioning and programming that you've received from your wealthy, capitalist employers (i.e. masters).

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're wrong, hundreds of millions of lives have been lost in the capitalist pursuit of profits and market share. Over the capitalist's effort to own resources and control markets, millions of innocent people have been ruined and murdered, and for you to pretend otherwise, shows that you're not aware of the history of capitalism, in bed with colonialism and imperialism. War profiteers in modern times are always looking to create boogiemen, enemies, for their country, to create fear and hence more weapons sales, increasing investment in defense and strategic planning.

In recent history, the expansion of NATO unto Russia's doorstep, the war in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, the civil wars and military coups that the US State Department supports, through the funding of political dissidents in other countries, and the arming and training of rebels throughout the third world, all of that leads to millions of people being displaced from their homes, forced into refugee status and massive death. You conveniently ignore all of this, not to speak of the history of Western imperial colonialism, often fueled by the capitalist effort to control resources and markets. You're either ignorant or dishonest, concerning all of the above.

Much of what we've heard about the Soviet Union and the German Third Reich is a lie. These two socialist countries weren't nearly as bad as Cold War, Western capitalist, post-Holocaust Jewish propaganda portrayed them. Again, all of you brainwashed, working-class capitalist defenders, have been hoodwinked by your wealthy employers (exploiters), through 70 years of Cold War, anti-socialist propaganda. You're so conditioned and programmed against any form of socialism, that you are your own worst enemy, always voting in elections against your class interests. You have no class consciousness at all, thanks to the conditioning and programming that you've received from your wealthy, capitalist employers (i.e. masters).

In recent history, the expansion of NATO unto Russia's doorstep,

NATO expansion is really capitalism killing millions?

 

[Soupnazi630]

As if the US government isn't based on ideology, or isn't corrupt. It's amazing how confused you are.

Governemtns are always corrupt to one degree or another.

Ideologies vary however and marxism / communism/ socialism are the most corrupt of all

they have murdered more than any other ideology.

Capitalists have crime and corruption but no one has bothered to murder others in the name of capitalism

You're wrong, hundreds of millions of lives have been lost in the capitalist pursuit of profits and market share. Over the capitalist's effort to own resources and control markets, millions of innocent people have been ruined and murdered, and for you to pretend otherwise, shows that you're not aware of the history of capitalism, in bed with colonialism and imperialism. War profiteers in modern times are always looking to create boogiemen, enemies, for their country, to create fear and hence more weapons sales, increasing investment in defense and strategic planning.

In recent history, the expansion of NATO unto Russia's doorstep, the war in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, the civil wars and military coups that the US State Department supports, through the funding of political dissidents in other countries, and the arming and training of rebels throughout the third world, all of that leads to millions of people being displaced from their homes, forced into refugee status and massive death. You conveniently ignore all of this, not to speak of the history of Western imperial colonialism, often fueled by the capitalist effort to control resources and markets. You're either ignorant or dishonest, concerning all of the above.

Much of what we've heard about the Soviet Union and the German Third Reich is a lie. These two socialist countries weren't nearly as bad as Cold War, Western capitalist, post-Holocaust Jewish propaganda portrayed them. Again, all of you brainwashed, working-class capitalist defenders, have been hoodwinked by your wealthy employers (exploiters), through 70 years of Cold War, anti-socialist propaganda. You're so conditioned and programmed against any form of socialism, that you are your own worst enemy, always voting in elections against your class interests. You have no class consciousness at all, thanks to the conditioning and programming that you've received from your wealthy, capitalist employers (i.e. masters).

Nope simply not true in fact the opposite is true.

Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty thereby saving lives than any other idea.

Nope those were not lies you are sikply in denial of the proven documented fact of how horrific the communist nations were.

You are correct I have no class consciousness and neither do you. Class is a vague and ambiguous idea and nothing more.

There are no class interests and people vote in gtheir own interest which you are not intelligent enough to know

 

[TruthNotBS]

In recent history, the expansion of NATO unto Russia's doorstep,

NATO expansion is really capitalism killing millions?

Of course, it's part of the capitalist war machine, and it's driven us all right to the edge of oblivion. We don't realize how close we are now to fighting a nuclear war with Russia, due essentially, to the private pursuit of profits. The war profiteers are always looking to create tension, instability, and conflict, to profit. Tens of billions of dollars have been poured into the coffers of the American and Western European military-industrial complex, thanks to the Russo-Ukrainian war. We can also add the current conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, another cash cow for Western defense contractors and weapons manufacturers.

​

We have 700+ military installations around the world. We're an empire and the members of the wealthy capitalist ruling class, who profit directly from America's wars, are going to do whatever they can, to have us continue being a world empire, with plenty of imaginary, scary boogiemen who are planning to annihilate us. That's how the war profiteers stay in business and grow their wealth and power.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course, it's part of the capitalist war machine, and it's driven us all right to the edge of oblivion. We don't realize how close we are now to fighting a nuclear war with Russia, due essentially, to the private pursuit of profits. The war profiteers are always looking to create tension, instability, and conflict, to profit. Tens of billions of dollars have been poured into the coffers of the American and Western European military-industrial complex, thanks to the Russo-Ukrainian war. We can also add the current conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, another cash cow for Western defense contractors and weapons manufacturers.

​

We have 700+ military installations around the world. We're an empire and the members of the wealthy capitalist ruling class, who profit directly from America's wars, are going to do whatever they can, to have us continue being a world empire, with plenty of imaginary, scary boogiemen who are planning to annihilate us. That's how the war profiteers stay in business and grow their wealth and power.

How many have been killed by the capitalist war machine's expansion to Russia's doorstep?

 

[TruthNotBS]

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Nope simply not true in fact the opposite is true.

No, you're wrong. Then you say "Nope, I'm right, you're wrong". And then I return fire "No, I'm correct and you're obviously wrong". Then you respond, "Nope, the opposite is true, I'm correct", and then I say "No you're not" and you say "Yep, I'm correct" and I say "No", and you say "yep" and I go "nope", and you say "yep", nope, yep, nope......

Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty thereby saving lives than any other idea.

Capitalism improved the standard of living for most people when compared to chattel slavery and feudalism, but it doesn't lift most people out of poverty. On the contrary, it keeps most people impoverished, selling their labor power to capitalists, as a poorly paid, exploited laborer often living in squalor. That's capitalism for people who live in countries that are consumed and dominated by the industrialized Western powers, that are the former colonialists of these nonindustrialized, third-world, developing countries.

Nope those were not lies you are sikply in denial of the proven documented fact of how horrific the communist nations were.

Yep, they are mostly lies. Half-truths at best, exaggerated claims. Capitalist Cold War propaganda, against the Soviet Union. There was also a propaganda campaign against National Socialist Germany or the Third Reich, painting them, and their leader, Adolf Hitler, as being much worse than they were. The Soviets and German National Socialists weren't really bad at all. Capitalist-run America and Western Europe, was much worse.

You are correct I have no class consciousness and neither do you.

On what basis do you say I have no class consciousness?

Class is a vague and ambiguous idea and nothing more.

Not at all, it's quite direct and definable.

1. Capitalist Class (Bourgeoisie):
   
   • Definition: This class owns and controls the means of production, such as factories, businesses, land, and capital. They do not typically work to earn their living but instead generate income through the ownership of assets and the exploitation of labor.
   • Economic Role: The capitalist class profits by hiring workers and paying them wages that are less than the value of the goods or services produced. The difference, or surplus value, is kept as profit.
   • Social Influence: Due to their economic power, the capitalist class typically has significant influence over political institutions, cultural norms, and societal values, often shaping laws and policies to protect and enhance their interests.
2. Working Class (Proletariat):
   
   • Definition: This class does not own the means of production and must sell their labor power to earn wages or salaries. They are dependent on employment for their livelihood.
   • Economic Role: The working class produces goods and services, receiving wages that are generally a fraction of the value they create. The surplus value generated by their labor is appropriated by the capitalist class.
   • Social Position: The working class often has limited control over their work environment, economic security, and political influence. Their interests typically lie in improving wages, working conditions, and gaining greater control over the means of production.

In addition to these two primary classes, other intermediate or sub-classes exist, such as:

• Petite Bourgeoisie: Small business owners, independent professionals, and self-employed individuals who may own some means of production but do not exploit labor on the scale of the capitalist class.
• Lumpenproletariat: A class considered to be at the margins of the working class, often including the unemployed, homeless, and those involved in the informal or underground economy. They are sometimes seen as having a precarious or unstable relationship to both the means of production and the traditional working class.

These classes are dynamic and can change over time, influenced by economic, political, and social developments. Understanding socioeconomic class is essential for analyzing power dynamics, wealth distribution, and social conflicts within a society.

There are no class interests and people vote in gtheir own interest which you are not intelligent enough to know

Complete nonsense, even Adam Smith the father of capitalism, disagrees with you. He recognized class distinctions and admitted to the following:

"What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor.

It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine much more easily; and the law, besides, authorizes, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen.
........

We rarely hear it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and everywhere in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination, not to raise the wages of labor above their actual rate.

To violate this combination is everywhere a most unpopular action, and a sort of reproach to a master among his neighbors and equals. We seldom, indeed, hear of this combination, because it is the usual, and one may say, the natural state of things which nobody ever hears of. Masters too sometimes enter into particular combinations to sink the wages of labor even below this rate.

These are always conducted with the utmost silence and secrecy, till the moment of execution, and when the workmen yield, as they sometimes do, without resistance, though severely felt by them, they are never heard of by other people. Such combinations, however, are frequently resisted by a contrary defensive combination of the workmen; who sometimes too, without any provocation of this kind, combine of their own accord to raise the price of their labor. " (Wealth Of Nations - Book I, Chapter VIII)

Each socioeconomic class has its own interests. You are so dishonest and ignorant that you're unable to recognize the obvious existence of socioeconomic classes and that each of them has their interests. How more absurd and ignorant could you be, saying that there are no socioeconomic classes in society or class interests? Not only does Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, recognize the existence of socioeconomic classes and class interests, but the wealthy capitalist ruling class, the so-called "masters", possess a deep understanding of socioeconomic class and its interests. They're experts in it, and they defend their class interests tooth and nail.

You already insulted me:

"There are no class interests and people vote in their own interest which you are not intelligent enough to know"​

So you're now fair game. Only a stupid piece of shit like you can resort to such nonsensical, dishonest arguments. You're fucking pathetic. You're a pretentious piece of shit. And Todd, who likes to portray himself as an expert in economics and history, is also a damn idiot, for agreeing with you that classes don't exist. Both of you are ignorant, dishonest morons.

 

[TruthNotBS]

How many have been killed by the capitalist war machine's expansion to Russia's doorstep?

Right now, with NATO's expansion to Russia's door, at least all of the Ukrainians and Russians who have been KIA, including those who have died off the battlefield as a result of the war, since 2014 (Not just the recent invasion in 2022). If Russia or China were trying to turn Mexico into a military base for their forces, we wouldn't allow that. I'm usually against war, and if Russia or China were trying to do that in Mexico, I would be in favor of going to war with Mexico and making sure our neighbor doesn't become a launching pad for Russia or China. Same with Canada or any other nation in the Western Hemisphere.

If you enter into a military alliance with Russia or China and are foolish enough to think that you're going to allow them to build military bases on the American continent without the US taking swift and decisive military action against you, you're STUPID. Even Americans like me, who hate war and believe we should do everything we can diplomatically to avoid it, would be in favor of opening a can of American whoop-ass on you. I would be pro-war, to stop Russia or China from turning this continent into their field of military operations and influence. No way.

So why should we be surprised when Russia acts accordingly in their "neighborhood" or sphere of influence? We have our Monroe Doctrine that stipulates that no foreign power will ever be permitted to establish itself in the Western Hemisphere, militarily, to the point of being able to seriously challenge the security of the United States. Russia feels the same way about NATO and you can't blame them. NATO is a fucking Cold War dinosaur that is inherently hostile to Russia, operationally, doctrinally and historically. Even Biden recognized that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe, would cause trouble:

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That's exactly what it has done. He claims that the negative Russian reaction won't be a military one, well he was wrong about that. Did he actually believe that or he just said it, to not appear irresponsible, as if he's indifferent to causing a military conflict with Russia? Capitalism is at least partly responsible for this expansion because NATO is a cash cow for the military industrial complex. The more it expands the more American weapons and services are sold.

 

[Delldude]

Millions of people died as a result of capitalist colonialism and chattel slavery. Millions have died as a result of profit-producing capitalists, starting wars to increase their businesses. Millions have fallen victim to the capitalist drive for profits, at all costs, but you're a disingenuous piece of shit, who will never admit to the crimes of capitalism. Your mountain of dead stinking corpses is much worse than mine.

So what's your alternative, Comrade?

 

[TruthNotBS]

So what's your alternative, Comrade?

Capitalism and government must be rigorously regulated to eliminate conflicts of interest and significantly reduce, if not eliminate cronyism. Certain industries, particularly those tied to national security, should not be privatized. While not every company that could potentially profit from war needs to be publicly owned, the core industries that currently benefit from U.S. military actions should either be nationalized or placed under stringent regulations. This would ensure that their interactions with government officials and the media are transparent and tightly controlled, preventing profit motives from driving decisions that put lives at risk

Preventing members of Congress from profiting from war requires implementing strict regulations and reforms to address the conflict of interest that arises when they invest in companies benefiting from military actions. Here are several approaches to achieve this:

1. Ban on Stock Ownership in Defense Companies: Enact legislation that prohibits members of Congress, their immediate families, and key staffers from owning or trading stocks in defense contractors, arms manufacturers, and other companies that stand to profit from war. This would directly remove the financial incentive to vote in favor of military actions that benefit these companies.
2. Blind Trusts for Investments: Require all members of Congress to place their financial assets in a blind trust during their tenure. This would ensure that they have no direct knowledge or control over their investments, thereby reducing the likelihood of conflicts of interest influencing their votes.
3. Strict Disclosure Requirements: Enhance transparency by requiring detailed and real-time disclosure of all stock trades and financial interests of Congress members and their immediate families. This information should be easily accessible to the public, allowing for greater scrutiny of any potential conflicts of interest.
4. Stronger Ethics Rules and Enforcement: Strengthen the existing ethics rules and create an independent enforcement body with the power to investigate and penalize violations. This body should have the authority to enforce penalties, including fines, loss of office, or disqualification from holding future public office for those found guilty of conflicts of interest.
5. Lobbying and Campaign Finance Reform: Address the broader issue of money in politics by reforming lobbying laws and campaign finance. This would involve reducing the influence of defense contractors on Congress through stricter limits on campaign contributions and lobbying activities by companies that profit from war.
6. Public Pressure and Advocacy: Engage in grassroots activism and public advocacy to build pressure on Congress to pass these reforms. This can include organizing petitions, holding rallies, and working with advocacy groups to raise awareness and demand accountability from elected officials.
7. Legislation to Limit War Powers: Advocate for legislation that limits the power of Congress to authorize military actions without extensive debate and oversight. This can help prevent hasty decisions to go to war that may be influenced by financial interests.
8. Term Limits: Implement term limits for Congress members to reduce the likelihood of long-term entrenchment and the accumulation of financial interests tied to defense companies. While this is a broader reform, it can indirectly help by reducing the time members have to establish and exploit such interests.

Implementing these measures would be challenging, as it requires overcoming significant political and financial resistance. However, by combining legislative action, public pressure, and strict enforcement, it is possible to create a more ethical and accountable system that prevents members of Congress from profiting from war.

 

[scruffy]

You're wrong, hundreds of millions of lives have been lost in the capitalist pursuit of profits and market share. Over the capitalist's effort to own resources and control markets, millions of innocent people have been ruined and murdered, and for you to pretend otherwise, shows that you're not aware of the history of capitalism, in bed with colonialism and imperialism. War profiteers in modern times are always looking to create boogiemen, enemies, for their country, to create fear and hence more weapons sales, increasing investment in defense and strategic planning.

In recent history, the expansion of NATO unto Russia's doorstep, the war in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, the civil wars and military coups that the US State Department supports, through the funding of political dissidents in other countries, and the arming and training of rebels throughout the third world, all of that leads to millions of people being displaced from their homes, forced into refugee status and massive death. You conveniently ignore all of this, not to speak of the history of Western imperial colonialism, often fueled by the capitalist effort to control resources and markets. You're either ignorant or dishonest, concerning all of the above.

Much of what we've heard about the Soviet Union and the German Third Reich is a lie. These two socialist countries weren't nearly as bad as Cold War, Western capitalist, post-Holocaust Jewish propaganda portrayed them. Again, all of you brainwashed, working-class capitalist defenders, have been hoodwinked by your wealthy employers (exploiters), through 70 years of Cold War, anti-socialist propaganda. You're so conditioned and programmed against any form of socialism, that you are your own worst enemy, always voting in elections against your class interests. You have no class consciousness at all, thanks to the conditioning and programming that you've received from your wealthy, capitalist employers (i.e. masters).

1930's German rhetoric. ^^^

These assholes keep coming back.

They're like PennyWise the Clown.

Last time we had to bomb the shit out of them. I guess we missed a few.

 

[TruthNotBS]

1930's German rhetoric. ^^^

These assholes keep coming back.

They're like PennyWise the Clown.

Last time we had to bomb the shit out of them. I guess we missed a few.

1930's German rhetoric. ^^^

Rhetoric isn't necessarily false. It refers to the art of persuasion, which can be used to present arguments effectively. It involves the use of language, figures of speech, and other techniques to persuade or influence an audience. Rhetoric itself is neutral, hence it's a tool that can be used to argue for both true and false positions.

These assholes keep coming back. They're like PennyWise the Clown. Last time we had to bomb the shit out of them. I guess we missed a few.

That's all you have, insults. Nothing of substance.

 

[Delldude]

Capitalism and government must be rigorously regulated to eliminate conflicts of interest and significantly reduce, if not eliminate cronyism. Certain industries, particularly those tied to national security, should not be privatized. While not every company that could potentially profit from war needs to be publicly owned, the core industries that currently benefit from U.S. military actions should either be nationalized or placed under stringent regulations. This would ensure that their interactions with government officials and the media are transparent and tightly controlled, preventing profit motives from driving decisions that put lives at risk

Preventing members of Congress from profiting from war requires implementing strict regulations and reforms to address the conflict of interest that arises when they invest in companies benefiting from military actions. Here are several approaches to achieve this:

1. Ban on Stock Ownership in Defense Companies: Enact legislation that prohibits members of Congress, their immediate families, and key staffers from owning or trading stocks in defense contractors, arms manufacturers, and other companies that stand to profit from war. This would directly remove the financial incentive to vote in favor of military actions that benefit these companies.
2. Blind Trusts for Investments: Require all members of Congress to place their financial assets in a blind trust during their tenure. This would ensure that they have no direct knowledge or control over their investments, thereby reducing the likelihood of conflicts of interest influencing their votes.
3. Strict Disclosure Requirements: Enhance transparency by requiring detailed and real-time disclosure of all stock trades and financial interests of Congress members and their immediate families. This information should be easily accessible to the public, allowing for greater scrutiny of any potential conflicts of interest.
4. Stronger Ethics Rules and Enforcement: Strengthen the existing ethics rules and create an independent enforcement body with the power to investigate and penalize violations. This body should have the authority to enforce penalties, including fines, loss of office, or disqualification from holding future public office for those found guilty of conflicts of interest.
5. Lobbying and Campaign Finance Reform: Address the broader issue of money in politics by reforming lobbying laws and campaign finance. This would involve reducing the influence of defense contractors on Congress through stricter limits on campaign contributions and lobbying activities by companies that profit from war.
6. Public Pressure and Advocacy: Engage in grassroots activism and public advocacy to build pressure on Congress to pass these reforms. This can include organizing petitions, holding rallies, and working with advocacy groups to raise awareness and demand accountability from elected officials.
7. Legislation to Limit War Powers: Advocate for legislation that limits the power of Congress to authorize military actions without extensive debate and oversight. This can help prevent hasty decisions to go to war that may be influenced by financial interests.
8. Term Limits: Implement term limits for Congress members to reduce the likelihood of long-term entrenchment and the accumulation of financial interests tied to defense companies. While this is a broader reform, it can indirectly help by reducing the time members have to establish and exploit such interests.

Implementing these measures would be challenging, as it requires overcoming significant political and financial resistance. However, by combining legislative action, public pressure, and strict enforcement, it is possible to create a more ethical and accountable system that prevents members of Congress from profiting from war.

Got a link there, Comrade?