Yet another reason to love Israel

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USS Liberty: Eyewitness Account
By James Ennes ( http://hnn.us/articles/195.html )
Mr. Ennes was an officer on the bridge of the USS Liberty during the 1967 attack and is the author of Assault on the Liberty (Random House, 1980; Ballantine, 1986). He is the co-founder of an award-winning website dedicated to the memory of the victims of the attack.

The sky was clear over the eastern Mediterranean when I assumed the forenoon watch as officer-of-the-deck on the bridge of the USS Liberty.

The sea surface rippled slightly from a warm, seven-knot breeze as we headed south, sometimes as close as 13 miles from the Israeli and Egyptian coastlines, but always in uncontested international waters.

This was June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the third great Arab-Israeli war, soon to be known as the Six Day War. From here it was hard to realize that men were dying.

Along with the two lookouts on the signal bridge above me, I strained for some visible sign of warfare, but could see none. Except for an occasional low-flying airplane and, later, an explosion and smoky fire in the coastal village of El Arish, the scene seemed placid.

Officially, the Liberty was a "technical research ship," a 455-foot, 10,000 ton "mobile base for research in communications and electromagnetic radiation." However, newsmen and governments everywhere knew "research" as a pseudonym for "intelligence." To them we were an electronic "spy ship." Below deck, over 100 men with earphones, sensitive radio receivers and recording equipment all listened to radio communications ashore.

Our country was officially neutral in this war. Israel--widely considered America's best friend in the area--controlled the sky and most of the ground. Since before midnight, we had been circled regularly by Israeli warplanes, so we were certain the Israelis knew who we were. Some of the Israeli airplanes came so close that sailors waved to the pilots and could see the pilots waving back.

Like any Navy ship, we flew our standard five-foot by eight-foot American flag. For extra safety, I ordered our wind-town flag replaced by a new one, whose bright, clean colors would be even easier to see. Our five-knot patrol speed directly into the wind gave us 12 knots across the flag, enough to display the colors clearly.

After a brief noon-hour lunch break, I returned to the bridge for a general quarters exercise.

During the noon hour, two more low-flying Israeli aircraft circled the ship, their Star of David markings clearly visible. Immediately, our senior radio intercept chief appeared at my side. "No sweat, Sir," he said quietly. "We heard them telling their headquarters by radio that we are an American ship."

"Be alert," Capt. William McGonagle warned over the ship's general announcing system, clearly unimpressed by the fact that the aircraft seemed friendly. "Respond quickly to all emergencies. We are operating near a very hot war where anything can happen." We knew that was true, but now most Liberty crewmen felt that we were out of danger.

When the drill ended an hour later, off-duty men filed onto the sun-drenched weather decks with towels and swimming trunks. We began to look more like a passenger liner than a naval vessel.

Meanwhile, on the bridge, Lt. Lloyd Painter had assumed control of the ship. Almost immediately, he received an urgent report from radar: "Three high-speed surface craft approaching from starboard quarter, bearing 280, range 16 miles, speed 32 knots."

Painter glanced at the bridge radar repeater and called McGonagle: "Captain, you gotta look at this. I never saw anything move so fast!"

Then another report from radar: "Three high performance aircraft, same range and bearing, closing fast."

Despite the urgent reports, no one was alarmed. By now we had been reconnoitered eight times in daylight by Israeli aircraft, and this looked like another routine visit.

I summoned Chuck Rowley, a cryptologic technician who also served as the ship's photographer, and together we climbed one deck to the signal bridge, the ship's highest platform, to try to take some pictures of the approaching aircraft.

"Look out," someone yelled suddenly. "He's shooting!" Men scrambled for cover, but it was too late. The lead airplane had made a 180-degree turn and was approaching from dead ahead, all guns blazing. Exposed men felt heat, surprise and confusion as two dozen or more rockets from the airplane tore large holes in the heavy deck plating below us. Sunbathers ran nakedly for safety, while men in the gun mounts received direct hits that threw them high into the air.


All the men around me dropped, many badly hurt by rocket fragments. I was thrown against a railing and remained standing on one leg, my left leg broken above the knew by a tiny rocket fragment.

Captain McGonagle, although badly wounded early in the attack, ignored his own wounds. He raced around the bridge defending the ship, directing messages to our seniors, and coordinating the efforts to survive. Once I saw him walk through a wall of flame, ignoring rocket and cannon fire and even napalm as he fought to protect his ship. His performance earned him a well-deserved Medal of Honor.

Chief Radioman Wayne Smith sent an SOS to the Sixth Fleet by radio, but found his frequencies blocked by buzzsaw-like jamming signals.

In nine minutes he found a clear frequency, on which the carrier Saratoga acknowledged receipt of his authenticated call for help. Immediately, the carrier sent 12 aircraft to our rescue, but for reasons never explained, this same aircraft were recalled by orders from Washington while we were still under attack.


When our regular flag was shot down, Signalman Joe Meadors and Quartermaster Francis Brown hauled up an oversize seven-foot by 13-foot flag. Still the attack continued.

The helmsman fell. Quartermaster Francis Brown took the wheel and died there. Ens. David Lucas helped move Brown's body, then took the wheel himself.

When gasoline stored on deck burst into flame, Lt. Cmdr. Philip Armstrong tried to release the burning drums into the sea; the effort cost him his life.

When the ship's doctor, Richard Kiepfer, spotted two helplessly wounded men on deck, he tucked a man under each arm and carried them through gunfire to safety.

Every man outdid himself, and still the attack continued. Twenty-five minutes into the attack, the torpedo boats, sighted earlier, reached firing range. The aircraft pulled away. Russell David rechecked the oversize flag, saw it flying freely, and then switched on a 12-inch signal lamp. "USS LIBERTY, U.S. NAVY SHIP," he flashed to the approaching boats until he was hit by gunfire and his lamp disabled.

"Stand by for torpedo attack, starboard side," warned the bridge. In the main engine room, Lt. George Golden took over several jobs at once as he ordered his men to safer ground, expecting to die here. McGonagle saw a torpedo pass close astern. A near miss.

Petty Officer Rick Aimetti heard one pass below him, "sounding like a motorboat," as he stood near the forecastle. Two more torpedoes passed safely, unseen.

A fifth torpedo, apparently launched from a mere 550 yards, made a direct hit on the ship's intelligence spaces. Twenty-five fine young men died instantly. Liberty assumed a heavy list to starboard as the engines stopped and part of the ship filled with water.

The torpedo boats, meanwhile, circled the ship, firing on firefighters and anything that seemed to move. Soon the general announcing system echoed the order that every sailor dreads: "Prepare to abandon ship." Rubber rafts dropped into the water, but the torpedo boas moved closer and fired upon the empty rafts.

Lloyd Painter, who had helped move wounded men near the lifeboat stations, now helped move them back below, away from the still-marauding torpedomen. Finally the firing stopped, 75 minutes after it started, possibly because of the threatened arrival of Sixth Fleet air power.

Still another hour passed. Then the torpedomen moved closer to the ship and signalled: "DO YOU NEED HELP?" The reply was a rude one. Thirty-four men were dead or dying, 171 wounded, from a 294-man crew.

In a National Security Council meeting attended by President Lyndon B. Johnson the next day, top government officials complained bitterly. It is "inconceivable that this was an accident," said Clark Clifford, then Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board Chairman, as he complained about the "egregious manner" of the Israelis. "We're not tough enough," he said.

"Senators are outraged," added Secretary of State Dean Rusk. "Incomprehensible," said Assistant Secretary Lucius Battle. The next day our government lashed out at Israel. "There is every reason to believe that the USS Liberty was identified," our government said. "The attack . . . is quite literally incomprehensible (and) must be condemned as an act of military recklessness reflecting wanton disregard for human life."

But the complaints were not for public knowledge. Publicly, our government pretended to believe the Israeli story that the attack was an accident. Privately, steps were taken to assure that the truth never reached the American public.

One of the first messages to arrive from Washington instructed survivors to discuss the attack with no one. Courts of inquiry were being held in both countries, and both reports would be swathed in secrecy. The American report, except for a declassified segment released to the press, remained top secret until forced out nine years later under the Freedom of Information Act. Its testimony reveals most of the scenario described here.

The Israeli report remains classified today, withheld from Americans at the request of the Israeli government, although a copy was leaked in 1980. That report informs American government leaders that the attack was a tragic result of a series of errors on both sides.

According to the Israelis, torpedomen investigating an erroneous report of a shore bombardment erroneously judged Liberty's actual five-knot speed to be 32 knots; because of the misjudged high speed, torpedomen erroneously classified Liberty as an enemy warship and called in the aircraft; attacking aircraft conducted three, low-level, pre-attack identification runs, but erroneously concluded that the target was an Arab warship when they failed to see her flag or the ten-foot hull numbers on her bow; torpedo boats also failed to see the oversize flag hauled up as they approached and asked the ship to identify itself; Liberty refused, according to the Israelis, and sent a signal meaning "Identify yourself first."

Extensive morning and noon-hour pre-attack reconnaissance described by crewmen "may be dismissed as exaggerated," says the Israeli government, which denies any such reconnaissance--even though every flight is fully documented in American records.

For years Liberty survivors and other interested Americans have asked both governments to reinvestigate the matter in order to resolve the discrepancies between what survivors say happened and what the Israeli government has reported. So far, they have been ignored. But now there is powerful support for survivors' claims that the attack was no accident.

Secretary Rusk, once a private citizen and free to speak out, said simply, "I have never believed the Israeli explanation."

Former National Security Agency Director Gen. Marshall Carter told me by telephone that he believes the Israelis knew the ship was American. His deputy, Dr. Louis Tordella, adds, "I believe it was a deliberate attack."

Former Central Intelligence Agency Director Richard Helms agrees. "To say that this was an accident is drawing a pretty long bow in view of the evidence," says Helms.

And former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Adm. Thomas Moorer states his case even more strongly: "It's ridiculous to say this was an accident. There was good weather, she was flying the U.S. flag and the planes and torpedo boats attacked over a long period of time. I think Congress should investigate the incident, even now.

Even President Johnson's press secretary, George Christian, now reports that no one in the White House believed that the attack was accidental. And every year more evidence unfolds to show that the attack was indeed deliberate and that both governments are covering it up. For instance, a State Department report, recently released, shows that our government analyzed the Israeli excuse in 1967 and rejected every key contention as untrue, impossible or unlikely.

Yet the Israeli government never was asked to explain the discrepancies. Officially, the USS Liberty matter is closed. To all appearances, it will remain closed forever, because no government agency is prepared to take the political risk of re-examining the evidence.

It deserves to be re-examined.


And they did it just to show that they could do it and get away with it...such is the mindset of the chosen people; yet, we continue to give them $5,000,000,000 in aid every year.
 
Originally posted by AtlantaWalter

USS Liberty: Eyewitness Account By James Ennes

It is unfortunate that Jewish state attacked a spy ship in the waters off the shore of Israel during war time.

What would the USA have done if a covert foreign spy ship were off the shores of Manhattan during 9/11?

Do you think that Bush would have given the SPY SHIP of any nation a ticker tape parade in downtown New York?

The USS Liberty resembled an Egyptian war ship offshore from Israel in the middle of a war of the surrounding Arab nations.

What business did the USS Liberty have spying off the shore of Israel?

NONE.......
 
Do your research awjs, the ship was in international waters number one, number two there was communications clearly stateing that it was an American ship.

Furthermore, I doubt we would just attack a ship from one of our allies, especially one who we helped to create us !
 
Originally posted by eric

Do your research awjs, the ship was in international waters number one, number two there was communications clearly stateing that it was an American ship.

Furthermore if a ship from one of our allies, especially one who we helped to create, I doubt we would just attack it !


The USS Liberty was in or out of international waters but offshore spying on their ally. Israel did NOT know that this was an American ship or it would not have attacked.

Israel appologized to President Johnson for attacking this SPY ship. The American sailors were rightfully upset and deserve acknowlegement that they were attacked by an ally country. But they also know that they were in offshore waters (international waters hard to mark with a pencil) in the middle of a war zone.

Does it make any sense whatsoever that Israel would attack an ally vessel if it had known for sure that this vessel was an ally? How many Americans were killed in Dessert Storm 1 & 2 by friendly fire because of poor or absent information?

Think for yourself instead of blaming Israel because a seaman has no idea of the actual cause of this unfortuate incident.

How many Americans have been killed by friendly fire in this history of this country??????

PS: The Mustafa sign on was a joke but cannot be removed....
 
"Does it make any sense whatsoever that Israel would attack an ally vessel if it had known for sure that this vessel was an ally? "ajwps

Sure it does. Just like they got the French to build their 1st nuclear power plant so that they could become a nuclear capable nation......just to show the world that they could do it and nobody would say squat to them.
 
Originally posted by AtlantaWalter

He doesn't have to research....this says it all:
(one of the chosen, he may be an American jew but he is a jew before he is an American)
ajwps also posts as "Mustafa"


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2921743.stm

'Friendly fire' hits Kurdish convoy

Massoud Barzani's brother was wounded in the attack
An American warplane has bombed a Kurdish convoy in northern Iraq which had been joined by members of US special forces, killing several people.

Those American's must have done this purposely according to your conspiracy theories, i.e., USS Liberty...
 
Your reaching, awjs !

That example just made you look a tad foolish !
 
Originally posted by AtlantaWalter

Sure it does. Just like they got the French to build their 1st nuclear power plant so that they could become a nuclear capable nation......just to show the world that they could do it and nobody would say squat to them.

The French sold Israel some of the equipment to build their own nuclear plant.

Who do you think invented the theory of atomic energy and the atomic bomb?

Einstein, Fermi and the Jews invented the weapons which protects your ass to this very day. Why do you think the people who invented these weapons don't deserve to have them to protect themselves like you do in your home country.

You have no reason to say squat....
 
Originally posted by eric
Your reaching, awjs !

That example just made you look a tad foolish !


Reaching you say? What makes you the expert on this subject?

You are reaching to say that Israel would purposefully attack their ally..

You are reaching when you deny 'friendly fire' incidents!!!
 
Israel did NOT know that this was an American ship or it would not have attacked.

Now what makes you the expert, you do not even know if they were in internation waters or not. Furthmore you can not for any reason attack a ship in international water even if they are spying, unless of course you are at war with them. This was not friendly fire, sorry !

What business did the USS Liberty have spying off the shore of Israel?

Funny thing, Isreal was caught intercepting Us Govt communications a couple of years ago, because we were silly enough to let an Isreali Telcom company handle the Telcom infrastructure.

Get real man !
 
"Einstein, Fermi and the Jews invented the weapons which protects your ass to this very day."(quote ajwps)

Funny, when I look up Los Alamos, I don't see "the jews" listed anywhere on the roster of names.

"Why do you think the people who invented these weapons don't deserve to have them to protect themselves like you do in your home country."(quote ajwps)

Israel is not really even "their" country; it is purely land stolen from the arabs by the Brits and given to the jews. So, no, they do NOT need nuclear weapons to protect "their" home country and to destablize the area and threaten the world with nuclear holocaust just because they say they are god's chosen and think that section of the sandbox is solely their property.
 
Originally posted by eric

Now what makes you the expert, you do not even know if they were in internation waters or not. Furthmore you can not for any reason attack a ship in international water even if they are spying, unless of course you are at war with them. This was not friendly fire, sorry !

The reality is that whether the USS Liberty spy ship was in International Waters or national waters makes not one wit of difference.

So you think that neither Israel or the USA are forbidden to attack ships in international waters even if they are spying and even if they are not at war with each other. Israel does not attack their allies nor those who supply them with weapons unless the vessel was not known to be an ally ship. Israel was at WAR at the time of the USS Liberty incident. Other than sailors who knew nothing about the reasons they were spying on Israel in a shooting war, they naturally blame Israel even if they haven't the faintest idea why they were ordered to go into a WAR zone. If you jump into a frying pan don't expect to not get burned.

You knowledge that this was not a friendly fire incident is based on what, your personal knowledge or your access to secret military documents? Please so advise all of us of your special knowledge.....

Funny thing, Isreal was caught intercepting Us Govt communications a couple of years ago, because we were silly enough to let an Isreali Telcom company handle the Telcom infrastructure.

Funny how Israel monitors US Government communicaitons right as we speak and the US government monitors Israeli communicaitons as we speak. Why is that given that we are both democracies and allies? Why is that the US finds it just fine to attack those who attacked the US while telling another democracy who have the same enemy to avoid putting a stop to the same enemy and their killing of the children of Israel?

get real man !

Even if it seems improbable, why do you use your mind instead of knee jerk believing impossible conspiracy theories?????
 
Originally posted by AtlantaWalter

Funny, when I look up Los Alamos, I don't see "the jews" listed anywhere on the roster of names.

Funny you can't see.

1) Albert Einstein - father of sub-atomic particle world. All work on the atomic world and the atomic bomb came from his work.

2) Neils Bohr - Jewish

3) Enrique Fermi - escaped Hitler - made fision possible in Chicago

Jews and the Manhattan project.

http://www.thedailystar.net/2003/12/24/d31224111194.htm


Israel is not really even "their" country; it is purely land stolen from the arabs by the Brits and given to the jews.

Israel has been a Jewish country for more than 4000 years. The Christian Crusaders, the Turkish Ottomans, the British and others like the Romans stole the land from the Jewish people.

Your ancestors stole North America from the indegenous Indian population. The Indians were in the US first and the Jews were in Israel before Muhammad was a child molester.

So, no, they do NOT need nuclear weapons to protect "their" home country and to destablize the area and threaten the world with nuclear holocaust just because they say they are god's chosen and think that section of the sandbox is solely their property.

Oh I forgot. You are G-d's chosen people now that your Tarsian said it was so. If you think that the Jewish people don't need the weapons they help create, then you have my permission to go and take the bombs away from Israel. I'll let them know you are coming over there to take their own means of protecting themselves and their children from the haters of the Jewish people.

Why would you deny Israel's history, archeological evidence of thousands of years presence and the Muslim greed for the Jewish land no bigger than Rhode Island? Are you really a pin-head?

http://www.iris.org.il/images/arabwld3.gif

The following powerpoint presentation explains the reason that anti-semitic morons think Israel's chilldren are dying by the noble Arab killers.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/fence.html
 
So you think that neither Israel or the USA are forbidden to attack ships in international waters even if they are spying and even if they are not at war with each other

Yes I do, it is international law !

You knowledge that this was not a friendly fire incident is based on what, your personal knowledge or your access to secret military documents? Please so advise all of us of your special knowledge.....

Don't try and be a wiss ass, you already made yourself look like a fool with Mustafa, so have a little humility !

No, I don't have special knowledge, I saw a 2 hour special on the History Channel about the event and did some research on my own, and it is very hard not to draw the conclusions I did !

Why is that the US finds it just fine to attack those who attacked the US while telling another democracy who have the same enemy to avoid putting a stop to the same enemy and their killing of the children of Israel?

Now what the hell does this have to do with my post? Since you asked though, we are not in a land dispute with the people who attacked us ! The two situations are quite different !

Even if it seems improbable, why do you use your mind instead of knee jerk believing impossible conspiracy theories?????

Read my posts in other threads, I am one of the last people to buy into conspiracy theories. That is not what this is about, it is about trust, I am not so sure I trust Isreal in the end !
 
Originally posted by eric

Yes I do, it is international law !

Do you mean international law like that in the Hague? Or do you mean like that concocted by the UN or those international laws that are enforced by some of the world countries resolutions?

International law relative to SPY ships, planes or satellites in war zones have no applications or enforcement. Especially in the case of unintentional violation of allies activities attempting to prevent their own destruction by enormous Arab enemies surrounding them.

Don't try and be a wiss ass, you already made yourself look like a fool with Mustafa, so have a little humility !

Aren't you the touchy one? If you become upset at reality, you take offense and strike out. Very revealing.....

No, I don't have special knowledge, I saw a 2 hour special on the History Channel about the event and did some research on my own, and it is very hard not to draw the conclusions I did !

Yes the History Channel is certainly authoritative alright.

http://www.matthewhenson.com/editorials.htm

And as for your own research and easy conclusions, well that too is open to your personal interpretation.

Now what the hell does this have to do with my post? Since you asked though, we are not in a land dispute with the people who attacked us ! The two situations are quite different !

Really? The United States is not being attacked (except by the same Islamic religion) by the Indians but the American Indians still dispute the takeover of their lands to this very day in the courts of our land. Israel has tried to settle disputes with the Arabs in the courts, by making concessions and signed agreements. But apparently the Arabs are not interested in this little piece of land; they are interested in destroying all the unbelievers (that includes you). Israel has every right to defend their ancient homeland no matter how much you might imagine that this land was once a country called Palestine with a constitution and government by the Arabs.

Read my posts in other threads, I am one of the last people to buy into conspiracy theories. That is not what this is about, it is about trust, and I am not so sure I trust Israel in the end!

Your denial of conspiracy theories belies your previous posts. The reality is that there have been many giant civilizations who have tried to destroy Israel and the Jewish people since its entry into the land of Canaan (now Israel) some 4,500 years ago.

Well most of those civilizations are now history and exist no more. The Babylonian Empire, the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, The Crusader Monarchies, etc are no more but the small country of Israel remains and the Jewish people remain.

What a coincidence.

It really matters little who you personally trust or distrust, for Israel continues, even with its setbacks, a strong and ethical nation.

Israel is a recognized democracy in the world of nations. It will take more than wishing or using international law to dissolve this little democracy.

The USS Liberty is nothing more than a straw man used by those who attempt to make an error into a molehill. Keep your hate and envy of the Jewish land and its people. Your attitude demonstrates your own significance. A Lilliputian....
 
If you read my prior posts you would see that I have defended and sided with Isreal most of the time. I must admit though it is people like you who breed contempt for the jewish people of this world.
 
"The USS Liberty is nothing more than a straw man..." (quote ajwps)

Making light of the U.S. and one of its' naval ships, not to mention the dead and wounded from this incident, shows the true colors of your way of thinking.

Like I said earlier, American jews are jews 1st and Americans 2nd, not exactly what I would call a patriotic citizen!!!!
Here's a sample of their patriotism...http://www.rense.com/Datapages/Israeldata.html

and my personal favorites Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were executed for espionage for selling the atomic bomb secrets to the Russians. Great Americans all!!!!!
 
You know I never thought along those lines, but this guy is changing my mind very quickly.
 

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