Yes, You're A Communist

[bripat9643]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Hmmm . . . wrong. Inherent in the term "capitalism" is the requirement that people own themselves and are free to trade their labor. Capitalism requires the freedom of labor to switch employers. According to your definition a society that was composed entirely of factory owners and slave labor would be capitalist. Even left wing douche bags aren't all stupid enough to buy into that proposition.

 

[bripat9643]

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism. I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot? But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

There is so much stupid shit in this post I don't even know where to start.

At some point you must just admit that this person is not interested in the truth, logic, reason or evidence. This is a common trait among the low IQ liberals. Suffering from some serious dunning-kruger there as well. I bet that if this person took an IQ test he would be in for some truly spectacularly special surprises.

You are basically still equating being poor with slavery. And you are still clueless about the definition of capitalism as well. It's been explained about 83 times now!

And yeah, being taxed is a subsidy. The ignorance is bizarre with this guy.

JQPublic1 is a leftwing douche bag who typically doesn't give a hoot about facts or logic.

 

[bripat9643]

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism. I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot? But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

There is so much stupid shit in this post I don't even know where to start.

At some point you must just admit that this person is not interested in the truth, logic, reason or evidence. This is a common trait among the low IQ liberals. Suffering from some serious dunning-kruger there as well. I bet that if this person took an IQ test he would be in for some truly spectacularly special surprises.

You are basically still equating being poor with slavery. And you are still clueless about the definition of capitalism as well. It's been explained about 83 times now!

And yeah, being taxed is a subsidy. The ignorance is bizarre with this guy.

You've been WRONG 83 times. When will you give up and stop trying so hard to look bright? Chattel Slavery was a capitalist enterprise and function. That you would publicly deny such common knowledge is beyond comprehension. Are you posting from a mental hospital bed?

Please find us the text-book regarding capitalism which has the chapter "the trade of human beings" "Slave economics". I haven't read, Adam Smith's piece, but I can pretty much guarantee that you won't find one chapter advocating for slavery there. How dumb can you seriously be?

How many times does it have to be explained... Just because slavery existed does not mean it's an integral part of the ideology. That's possibly why capitalism ENDED slavery. If capitalism so vehemently supports slavery, why was slavery ended under perhaps the most capitalist era we have seen?

Damn the low IQ...

Capitalism and an industrial economy aren't compatible because factory work requires skilled and motivated workers. Slaves are only good for brute labor.

 

[bripat9643]

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism. I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot? But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

There is so much stupid shit in this post I don't even know where to start.

At some point you must just admit that this person is not interested in the truth, logic, reason or evidence. This is a common trait among the low IQ liberals. Suffering from some serious dunning-kruger there as well. I bet that if this person took an IQ test he would be in for some truly spectacularly special surprises.

You are basically still equating being poor with slavery. And you are still clueless about the definition of capitalism as well. It's been explained about 83 times now!

And yeah, being taxed is a subsidy. The ignorance is bizarre with this guy.

You've been WRONG 83 times. When will you give up and stop trying so hard to look bright? Chattel Slavery was a capitalist enterprise and function. That you would publicly deny such common knowledge is beyond comprehension. Are you posting from a mental hospital bed?

Please find us the text-book regarding capitalism which has the chapter "the trade of human beings" "Slave economics". I haven't read, Adam Smith's piece, but I can pretty much guarantee that you won't find one chapter advocating for slavery there. How dumb can you seriously be?

How many times does it have to be explained... Just because slavery existed does not mean it's an integral part of the ideology. That's possibly why capitalism ENDED slavery. If capitalism so vehemently supports slavery, why was slavery ended under perhaps the most capitalist era we have seen?

Damn the low IQ...

Was it an economic system that ended slavery or a political ideological system?
It was the growth of liberalism that ended slavery and the growth of liberalism that keeps slowly changing America. Think of the liberal changes to America just since slavery ended.

In those days liberals were people who believed in private property and free exchange. Modern liberals are indistinguishable from Stalinist who believe the state owns everything.

 

[bripat9643]

It seems you have cognitive deficiency in understanding the issue.

Communism and socialism aren't ideologies based on voluntarism. Atheism is not even an ideology!

The whole point is that plenty of people are subjected to communism or socialism whether they wanted it or not. That's the very definition of involuntary ideology. If you could simply choose not to be a communist in a communist society I wouldn't have any problems with it. However, the very definition of communism is that you can't! You are in essence making choices for other people...

If a bunch of regressives decided to come together and sign a contract which subjected themselves to communism, I would have zero problem with it. Then it would be voluntary... It would still most likely fail though.

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

It seems you have cognitive deficiency in understanding the issue.

Communism and socialism aren't ideologies based on voluntarism. Atheism is not even an ideology!

The whole point is that plenty of people are subjected to communism or socialism whether they wanted it or not. That's the very definition of involuntary ideology. If you could simply choose not to be a communist in a communist society I wouldn't have any problems with it. However, the very definition of communism is that you can't! You are in essence making choices for other people...

If a bunch of regressives decided to come together and sign a contract which subjected themselves to communism, I would have zero problem with it. Then it would be voluntary... It would still most likely fail though.

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Slavery is 10,000 years old. Attempting to attribute it to capitalism only shows that you're an ideologically driven douche bag.

And you are an ignorant POS who thinks capitalism started in 1850. How do you know slavery existed 10,000 years ago? There was no writing back then.

When did it start?

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism may not have invented slavery, but certainly made no effort to end it and unhesitatingly embraced its use. Technology and economics made slavery unworkable, evolution of human standards made it illegal.

Actually, yes, capitalism did make an effort to end slavery. Where do you think slavery ended first, the Ottoman Empire?

 

[JQPublic1]

But G.W. and T.J. were liberals!

In what context?

 

[JQPublic1]

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Slavery is 10,000 years old. Attempting to attribute it to capitalism only shows that you're an ideologically driven douche bag.

And you are an ignorant POS who thinks capitalism started in 1850. How do you know slavery existed 10,000 years ago? There was no writing back then.

When did it start?

You don't know????????

 

[JQPublic1]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Yeah, but communism has never truly existed...

The facepalm.

No capitalist advocates for slavery, not one that I can think of.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson are dead now but I thought I would resurrect them just for YOU, dumbass! Can you guess why?

They were both principly against slavery moron.

Hey, scholar, are you trying to say slave owners George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were "principally" against slavery? I wouldn't trust a source that uses words like "principly." I do understand you and your cognitively challenged fan club high- fiving over it though.

 

[bripat9643]

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Slavery is 10,000 years old. Attempting to attribute it to capitalism only shows that you're an ideologically driven douche bag.

And you are an ignorant POS who thinks capitalism started in 1850. How do you know slavery existed 10,000 years ago? There was no writing back then.

When did it start?

You don't know????????

I want to know when you believe it started. I already know.

 

[ptbw forever]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Yeah, but communism has never truly existed...

The facepalm.

No capitalist advocates for slavery, not one that I can think of.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson are dead now but I thought I would resurrect them just for YOU, dumbass! Can you guess why?

They were both principly against slavery moron.

Hey, scholar, are you trying to say slave owners George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were "principally" against slavery? I wouldn't trust a source that uses words like "principly." I do understand you and your cognitively challenged fan club high- fiving over it though.

Nice to know that I can ignore all the retard vomit appearing in every one of your posts once I find a single spelling error or grammatical error located within one of them....

 

[JQPublic1]

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Slavery is 10,000 years old. Attempting to attribute it to capitalism only shows that you're an ideologically driven douche bag.

And you are an ignorant POS who thinks capitalism started in 1850. How do you know slavery existed 10,000 years ago? There was no writing back then.

When did it start?

You don't know????????

I want to know when you believe it started. I already know.

PROVE YOU KNOW…heh heh heh!

 

[bripat9643]

Slavery is 10,000 years old. Attempting to attribute it to capitalism only shows that you're an ideologically driven douche bag.

And you are an ignorant POS who thinks capitalism started in 1850. How do you know slavery existed 10,000 years ago? There was no writing back then.

When did it start?

You don't know????????

I want to know when you believe it started. I already know.

PROVE YOU KNOW…heh heh heh!

You're weaseling, douche bag. Answer the question: When did capitalism start?

 

[JQPublic1]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Yeah, but communism has never truly existed...

The facepalm.

No capitalist advocates for slavery, not one that I can think of.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson are dead now but I thought I would resurrect them just for YOU, dumbass! Can you guess why?

I am not so sure these men deserve the name "capitalist", since I am not aware of them contributing to the ideology of free trade in any intellectual way, which is what I meant. Anyway, I am not that familiar with the old American thinkers anyway, and maybe they wrote the greatest pieces on free trade and it's benefits... Let's just say you are right:

George Washington:
"He owned hundreds of slaves throughout his lifetime, but his views on slavery evolved to support abolition".
- Wiipedia

Jefferson:
"As an older man, he advocated freeing and returning slaves to Africa."
Jefferson's Views on Slavery - Poplar Forest

So there you go.

Free mareketism and lack of coercion just tend to be kind of incompatible with slavery... Unlike the soviet system with its forced labor.

Just because George and Tom changed their opinions about slavery on their death beds doesn't mean St Peter is going to forget their long life advocacy of it! I gave you a valid answer to your question. End of story….

But I can't let you get away with that low information thinking that puts your IQ near the bottom on the left side of the bell curve.
Capitalism by any other name ( free marketism?) began violently and with coercion. Here I come:

The basis for my premise that chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism wasn't something I created in a vacuum. Scholars more erudite than anyone posting here have supported that premise. But after careful consideration I have found that its the other way around. Capitalism is a subset of slavery.:

In his seminal work circa 1914, French socialist Jean Jaurès unearthed the economy of bondage in his four volume Histoire socialiste de la Révolution française . It was Jaurès who saw the the crucial nexus between slave trade profits and the growth of industries and ideologies of capitalism.

In 1938, C. L. R. James made a similar observation in his monograph, A History of Negro Revolt: "Negro Slavery seemed the very basis of American capitalism."

US Historian Sven Beckert continues to validate my premise in his book entitled empire of Cotton: A Global History.

"wealth accumulation marked by African enslavement, the expropriation of aboriginal lands, coercion and killing as means of labor control and territorial conquest, and the rise of an imperial state whose laws and policies served an emergent capitalist class. “We usually think of capitalism, at least the globalized, mass-production type that we recognize today, as emerging around 1780 with the Industrial Revolution. But war capitalism, which began to develop in the sixteenth century, came long before machines and factories.” He continues, “When we think of capitalism, we think of wage workers, yet this prior phase of capitalism was based not on free labor but on slavery. We associate industrial capitalism with contracts and markets, but early capitalism was based as often as not on violence and bodily coercion.” Beckert describes this stage as an “important but often unrecognized phase in the development of capitalism” whose history has been erase by those “craving a nobler, cleaner” account."

Beckert emphasizes the role of slavery in the rise of capitalism. While slavery is not capitalism, per se, it has played an integral part in the evolution of capitalism. I had it wrong. Capitalism is a subset of chattel slavery, not the other way around. But that still doesn't change my basic premise all that much. And you will always be a megalomaniacal idiot!

 

[JQPublic1]

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism. I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot? But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

There is so much stupid shit in this post I don't even know where to start.

At some point you must just admit that this person is not interested in the truth, logic, reason or evidence. This is a common trait among the low IQ liberals. Suffering from some serious dunning-kruger there as well. I bet that if this person took an IQ test he would be in for some truly spectacularly special surprises.

You are basically still equating being poor with slavery. And you are still clueless about the definition of capitalism as well. It's been explained about 83 times now!

And yeah, being taxed is a subsidy. The ignorance is bizarre with this guy.

You've been WRONG 83 times. When will you give up and stop trying so hard to look bright? Chattel Slavery was a capitalist enterprise and function. That you would publicly deny such common knowledge is beyond comprehension. Are you posting from a mental hospital bed?

Please find us the text-book regarding capitalism which has the chapter "the trade of human beings" "Slave economics". I haven't read, Adam Smith's piece, but I can pretty much guarantee that you won't find one chapter advocating for slavery there. How dumb can you seriously be?

How many times does it have to be explained... Just because slavery existed does not mean it's an integral part of the ideology. That's possibly why capitalism ENDED slavery. If capitalism so vehemently supports slavery, why was slavery ended under perhaps the most capitalist era we have seen?

Damn the low IQ...

Capitalism and an industrial economy aren't compatible because factory work requires skilled and motivated workers. Slaves are only good for brute labor.

read post # 845 Jerk! Warning: it might cause skid marks in your underwear.

 

[JQPublic1]

And you are an ignorant POS who thinks capitalism started in 1850. How do you know slavery existed 10,000 years ago? There was no writing back then.

When did it start?

You don't know????????

I want to know when you believe it started. I already know.

PROVE YOU KNOW…heh heh heh!

You're weaseling, douche bag. Answer the question: When did capitalism start?

Why shouldl I tell you.You already know….. don't you?

 

[bripat9643]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Yeah, but communism has never truly existed...

The facepalm.

No capitalist advocates for slavery, not one that I can think of.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson are dead now but I thought I would resurrect them just for YOU, dumbass! Can you guess why?

I am not so sure these men deserve the name "capitalist", since I am not aware of them contributing to the ideology of free trade in any intellectual way, which is what I meant. Anyway, I am not that familiar with the old American thinkers anyway, and maybe they wrote the greatest pieces on free trade and it's benefits... Let's just say you are right:

George Washington:
"He owned hundreds of slaves throughout his lifetime, but his views on slavery evolved to support abolition".
- Wiipedia

Jefferson:
"As an older man, he advocated freeing and returning slaves to Africa."
Jefferson's Views on Slavery - Poplar Forest

So there you go.

Free mareketism and lack of coercion just tend to be kind of incompatible with slavery... Unlike the soviet system with its forced labor.

Just because George and Tom changed their opinions about slavery on their death beds doesn't mean St Peter is going to forget their long life advocacy of it! I gave you a valid answer to your question. End of story….

But I can't let you get away with that low information thinking that puts your IQ near the bottom on the left side of the bell curve.
Capitalism by any other name ( free marketism?) began violently and with coercion. Here I come:

The basis for my premise that chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism wasn't something I created in a vacuum. Scholars more erudite than anyone posting here have supported that premise. But after careful consideration I have found that its the other way around. Capitalism is a subset of slavery.:

In his seminal work circa 1914, French socialist Jean Jaurès unearthed the economy of bondage in his four volume Histoire socialiste de la Révolution française . It was Jaurès who saw the the crucial nexus between slave trade profits and the growth of industries and ideologies of capitalism.

In 1938, C. L. R. James made a similar observation in his monograph, A History of Negro Revolt: "Negro Slavery seemed the very basis of American capitalism."

US Historian Sven Beckert continues to validate my premise in his book entitled empire of Cotton: A Global History.

"wealth accumulation marked by African enslavement, the expropriation of aboriginal lands, coercion and killing as means of labor control and territorial conquest, and the rise of an imperial state whose laws and policies served an emergent capitalist class. “We usually think of capitalism, at least the globalized, mass-production type that we recognize today, as emerging around 1780 with the Industrial Revolution. But war capitalism, which began to develop in the sixteenth century, came long before machines and factories.” He continues, “When we think of capitalism, we think of wage workers, yet this prior phase of capitalism was based not on free labor but on slavery. We associate industrial capitalism with contracts and markets, but early capitalism was based as often as not on violence and bodily coercion.” Beckert describes this stage as an “important but often unrecognized phase in the development of capitalism” whose history has been erase by those “craving a nobler, cleaner” account."

Beckert emphasizes the role of slavery in the rise of capitalism. While slavery is not capitalism, per se, it has played an integral part in the evolution of capitalism. I had it wrong. Capitalism is a subset of chattel slavery, not the other way around. But that still doesn't change my basic premise all that much. And you will always be a megalomaniacal idiot!

You're quoting a collection of socialist propagandists. The upshot is zero. What they write is nothing more than pure opinion. It's pure caca and bullshit.

 

[bripat9643]

When did it start?

You don't know????????

I want to know when you believe it started. I already know.

PROVE YOU KNOW…heh heh heh!

You're weaseling, douche bag. Answer the question: When did capitalism start?

Why shouldl I tell you.You already know….. don't you?

It's obvious that you don't want to prove to the entire forum what a foolish ignoramus you are.

 

[JQPublic1]

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Yeah, but communism has never truly existed...

The facepalm.

No capitalist advocates for slavery, not one that I can think of.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson are dead now but I thought I would resurrect them just for YOU, dumbass! Can you guess why?

I am not so sure these men deserve the name "capitalist", since I am not aware of them contributing to the ideology of free trade in any intellectual way, which is what I meant. Anyway, I am not that familiar with the old American thinkers anyway, and maybe they wrote the greatest pieces on free trade and it's benefits... Let's just say you are right:

George Washington:
"He owned hundreds of slaves throughout his lifetime, but his views on slavery evolved to support abolition".
- Wiipedia

Jefferson:
"As an older man, he advocated freeing and returning slaves to Africa."
Jefferson's Views on Slavery - Poplar Forest

So there you go.

Free mareketism and lack of coercion just tend to be kind of incompatible with slavery... Unlike the soviet system with its forced labor.

Just because George and Tom changed their opinions about slavery on their death beds doesn't mean St Peter is going to forget their long life advocacy of it! I gave you a valid answer to your question. End of story….

But I can't let you get away with that low information thinking that puts your IQ near the bottom on the left side of the bell curve.
Capitalism by any other name ( free marketism?) began violently and with coercion. Here I come:

The basis for my premise that chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism wasn't something I created in a vacuum. Scholars more erudite than anyone posting here have supported that premise. But after careful consideration I have found that its the other way around. Capitalism is a subset of slavery.:

In his seminal work circa 1914, French socialist Jean Jaurès unearthed the economy of bondage in his four volume Histoire socialiste de la Révolution française . It was Jaurès who saw the the crucial nexus between slave trade profits and the growth of industries and ideologies of capitalism.

In 1938, C. L. R. James made a similar observation in his monograph, A History of Negro Revolt: "Negro Slavery seemed the very basis of American capitalism."

US Historian Sven Beckert continues to validate my premise in his book entitled empire of Cotton: A Global History.

"wealth accumulation marked by African enslavement, the expropriation of aboriginal lands, coercion and killing as means of labor control and territorial conquest, and the rise of an imperial state whose laws and policies served an emergent capitalist class. “We usually think of capitalism, at least the globalized, mass-production type that we recognize today, as emerging around 1780 with the Industrial Revolution. But war capitalism, which began to develop in the sixteenth century, came long before machines and factories.” He continues, “When we think of capitalism, we think of wage workers, yet this prior phase of capitalism was based not on free labor but on slavery. We associate industrial capitalism with contracts and markets, but early capitalism was based as often as not on violence and bodily coercion.” Beckert describes this stage as an “important but often unrecognized phase in the development of capitalism” whose history has been erase by those “craving a nobler, cleaner” account."

Beckert emphasizes the role of slavery in the rise of capitalism. While slavery is not capitalism, per se, it has played an integral part in the evolution of capitalism. I had it wrong. Capitalism is a subset of chattel slavery, not the other way around. But that still doesn't change my basic premise all that much. And you will always be a megalomaniacal idiot!

You're quoting a collection of socialist propagandists. The upshot is zero. What they write is nothing more than pure opinion. It's pure caca and bullshit.

Prove it1

 

[bripat9643]

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism. I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot? But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

There is so much stupid shit in this post I don't even know where to start.

At some point you must just admit that this person is not interested in the truth, logic, reason or evidence. This is a common trait among the low IQ liberals. Suffering from some serious dunning-kruger there as well. I bet that if this person took an IQ test he would be in for some truly spectacularly special surprises.

You are basically still equating being poor with slavery. And you are still clueless about the definition of capitalism as well. It's been explained about 83 times now!

And yeah, being taxed is a subsidy. The ignorance is bizarre with this guy.

You've been WRONG 83 times. When will you give up and stop trying so hard to look bright? Chattel Slavery was a capitalist enterprise and function. That you would publicly deny such common knowledge is beyond comprehension. Are you posting from a mental hospital bed?

Please find us the text-book regarding capitalism which has the chapter "the trade of human beings" "Slave economics". I haven't read, Adam Smith's piece, but I can pretty much guarantee that you won't find one chapter advocating for slavery there. How dumb can you seriously be?

How many times does it have to be explained... Just because slavery existed does not mean it's an integral part of the ideology. That's possibly why capitalism ENDED slavery. If capitalism so vehemently supports slavery, why was slavery ended under perhaps the most capitalist era we have seen?

Damn the low IQ...

Capitalism and an industrial economy aren't compatible because factory work requires skilled and motivated workers. Slaves are only good for brute labor.

read post # 845 Jerk! Warning: it might cause skid marks in your underwear.

I posted #845, numskull.