Yes, you are better off now than you were then.

BIden caused the worst inflation in 40 yeas crushed the middle class and increased poverty. Thats pretty good right
No he didn't. Covid and supply chains.

Funny you don't give Trump the credit for his actions but blame Biden for things that he had no control over.

Turns out Biden, and Obama, both did great jobs getting us out of Bush and Trump's Great Recessions.

Did you know Trump's recession was worse than the Great Recession Bush handed Obama? No you didn't.
 
No he didn't. Covid and supply chains.

Funny you don't give Trump the credit for his actions but blame Biden for things that he had no control over.

Turns out Biden, and Obama, both did great jobs getting us out of Bush and Trump's Great Recessions.

Did you know Trump's recession was worse than the Great Recession Bush handed Obama? No you didn't.
You need a history lesson. The recession when Bush was president was caused by Carter when democrats passed the CRA Community Reinvestment Act that mandated banks take on quotas of bad loans mainly in the black community. This created Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. Banks demanded the government guarantee 90% of the loans. A huge subprime loan business was created and the largest was Country Wide Mortgage. Democrats controlled both houses and blocked any reforms that could have prevented the mortgage recession. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were instrumental. Dodd was talking bribes from Countrywide. Frank was the butboy for ahigh level Fanny Mae executive. Both declined to run for reelection. Bush had nothing to do with it.

Bush put in the reforms and policies that ended the recession. Obama did nothing.

Trump gave is the best economy in history until Covid. When Biden took office already suffering form dementia GDP was 6.4% and inflation 1.2%. In 14 months GDP was below 2% and inflation was 9.1%. Gas had doubled.

Biden was a total train wreck
 
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...Biden...
Trump's collapse in public support is most glaring among younger Americans who will have his dismal legacy inflicted upon them.

His cult is howling, but that's the way it is. Their desperate attempts to contrive Biden diversions are futile. Trump's numbers are Trump's.


According to the poll results, 71% of those under 30 years old disapprove of how Trump is handling the economy...
The latest CBS News poll showed that young people’s approval rating of Trump has tanked... Trump’s support among young people has plummeted from 55% in February to just 28% in July...
The July poll showed that 72% of those under the age of 30 disapproved of how Trump is handling his job as president. In February, just 45% of young people said they disapproved.
It also found that young men have also started to disapprove of how Trump is handling his job as president. In February, 63% of men under the age of 30 approved of Trump’s job performance. In July, just 27% of young men said they approved of how the president is handling the job.
 
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If you think we are Marxist then you have swallowed the right wings spin on this.
Harris made a lot os statements that sounded marxist. Her father was a marxist.

That's not spin.
I can't convince you of anything if you start from the position that you think we are communists.
I said put up.

What would you call the clown they are running for mayor of New York (the one who wants to take so many things over)?
I don't think you are Nazi's. I think you are falling for Trump just like the German people fell for Hitler. Or how a lot of Russians like Putin. How is that possible? Well just look at yourselves. You support an authoritarian who's above the law.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaa

You like the obviously corrupt Supreme Court that is clearly being run by men who are owned by billionaires like Harlan Crow? Wow!
Feel free to show what is obvious corruption. I think Gorsuch, Kavennaugh and Barrett have done masterfully.kk

Looking forward to your fact laden argument.
 
Trump's collapse in public support is most glaring among younger Americans who will have his dismal legacy inflicted upon them.
Show us the numbers.

From young men who voted for Trump.....

Despite frustration over the president’s handling of many policies, the whole group said they didn’t regret their vote.

Ouch.......
 
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You need a history lesson. The recession when Bush was president was caused by Carter when democrats passed the CRA Community Reinvestment Act that mandated banks take on quotas of bad loans mainly in the black community. This created Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. Banks demanded the government guarantee 90% of the loans. A huge subprime loan business was created and the largest was Country Wide Mortgage. Democrats controlled both houses and blocked any reforms that could have prevented the mortgage recession. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were instrumental. Dodd was talking bribes from Countrywide. Frank was the butboy for ahigh level Fanny Mae executive. Both declined to run for reelection. Bush had nothing to do with it.

Bush put in the reforms and policies that ended the recession. Obama did nothing.

Trump gave is the best economy in history until Covid. When Biden took office already suffering form dementia GDP was 6.4% and inflation 1.2%. In 14 months GDP was below 2% and inflation was 9.1%. Gas had doubled.

Biden was a total train wreck
Totally incorrect.

Greenspan Concedes Error on Regulation​


For years, a Congressional hearing with Alan Greenspan was a marquee event. Lawmakers doted on him as an economic sage. Markets jumped up or down depending on what he said. Politicians in both parties wanted the maestro on their side.

Many Republican lawmakers on the oversight committee tried to blame the mortgage meltdown on the unchecked growth of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the giant government-sponsored mortgage-finance companies that were placed in a government conservatorship last month. Republicans have argued that Democratic lawmakers blocked measures to reform the companies.

But Mr. Greenspan, who was first appointed by President Ronald Reagan, placed far more blame on the Wall Street companies that bundled subprime mortgages into pools and sold them as mortgage-backed securities. Global demand for the securities was so high, he said, that Wall Street companies pressured lenders to lower their standards and produce more “paper.”

“The evidence strongly suggests that without the excess demand from securitizers, subprime mortgage originations (undeniably the original source of the crisis) would have been far smaller and defaults accordingly far lower,” he said.


Barack Obama did the hard work of rebuilding an economy that was at an historic low. It has been said that Obama inherited the worst economy since FDR. During his 8 years he rebuilt it even with obstruction from Republicans on a consistent basis. In February of 2009, Obama signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the growth period from this policy began in July 2009 and continued through January 2020. People gave Trump credit for economic growth that began 8 years before he took office. Obama rebuilt the economy and created a record decade of growth even with Republican obstruction and austerity policies that actually slowed down economic growth. Despite the opposition, Obama set a record for job growth that began in 2010, 7 years before trump took office and lasted until 2019, which was Trumps third year.

Chuck Jones, Obama’s 2009 Recovery Act Kicked Off Over 10 Years Of Economic Growth, Obama’s 2009 Recovery Act Kicked Off Over 10 Years Of Economic Growth

Biden rebuilt the economy after COVID and left Trump with the strongest economy in the world.

President-elect Trump is inheriting a historically strong economy​

President-elect Trump will inherit unquestionably the strongest economy for an incoming administration since the George W. Bush administration. That strong economic performance heading up to the 2001 transition, moreover, was largely buoyed by an overvalued stock market that was about to deflate and cause a recession. There are no such obvious macroeconomic imbalances that look set to drag on growth in 2025 or beyond.

While the labor market has slightly softened in recent months, job growth in December was extremely rapid and accompanied by wage growth that remained above inflation yet fully compatible with a return to 2% inflation—the Federal Reserve’s preferred target. In short, the labor market remains extremely strong yet in no need of policy measures to rein it in. All in all, it is hard to imagine an incoming administration wanting a stronger economic situation to inherit.


Trump did not do anything but BS low-information people.
 
And yet, we could have ended up with Harris. I rest my case.
 
If the degenerate keeps firing the statisticians who report the numbers, it'll only increase unemployment.

Trump and his cult may deny, excuse, or avoid, but cannot escape, the reality we can expect:

“Not only was this a much weaker than forecast payrolls number, the monster downward revisions to the past two months inflicts a major blow to the picture of labor market robustness,” Seema Shah, chief strategist with Principal Asset Management, said in a note following the release. “What’s more concerning is that with negative impact of tariffs only just starting to be felt, the coming months are likely to see even clearer evidence of a labor market slowdown.”
The U.S. job market was weak in July, and previous months were worse than thought...

The report comes as Trump’s aggressive tariff policies are set to begin taking effect for many U.S. trading partners, a move that he has touted as a boost for U.S. labor but criticized by many experts as a tax on consumers...
Revisions to jobs reports are not uncommon and are updated to reflect fuller data from state records. But the changes combined with July’s weak report offer a starkly different overall picture of the U.S. economy, which only added 19,000 jobs in May and June, rather than the 291,000 jobs the reports had initially found.

 
And yet, we could have ended up with Harris. I rest my case.
Attempted diversion noted.

Ir is the degenerate in office whose narcissistic derangement compels him to throw a tantrum when reality fails to comport with his delusion. Destroying America's integrity demeans the nation.


William Beach, a former BLS commissioner appointed by Trump in his first presidency, posted on X that McEntarfer’s firing was “totally groundless”. He added that the dismissal set a dangerous precedent and undermined the BLS’s statistical mission.
Beach also co-signed a letter by “the Friends of the Bureau of Labor Statistics” that went further, accusing Trump of seeking to blame someone for bad news and calling the rationale for McEntarfer’s firing “without merit”.
The letter asserted that the dismissal “undermines the credibility of federal economic statistics that are a cornerstone of intelligent economic decision-making by businesses, families and policymakers”.
The letter pointed out that the jobs tabulation process “is decentralized by design to avoid opportunities for interference”, adding that US official statistics “are the gold standard globally”.
“When leaders of other nations have politicized economic data, it has destroyed public trust in all official statistics and in government science,” the letter said.
 
BIden caused the worst inflation in 40 yeas crushed the middle class and increased poverty. Thats pretty good right
COVID.

RW view....

1) COVID created to harm trump....fake news
2) trump stopped ALL travel with this FAKE NEWS......Nope, not true
3) trump lost 2 Million Jobs in his term....FACT......but the cult blames COVID......FACT
4) Inflation, world wide inflation, under trump.....but....let's blame Biden. See this post by Hafar1014
 
COVID.

RW view....

1) COVID created to harm trump....fake news
2) trump stopped ALL travel with this FAKE NEWS......Nope, not true
3) trump lost 2 Million Jobs in his term....FACT......but the cult blames COVID......FACT
4) Inflation, world wide inflation, under trump.....but....let's blame Biden. See this post by Hafar1014
Reminiscing about days of yore? Let's be truthful.


Trump has set up the U.S. economy for collapse, and doesn't have the testicular fortitude to deal with the statistics.
 
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Inability to defend the indefensible, as expected.
It's YOUR inability to present a legit argument that warrants that, skippy.
 
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