Wow, the Left really turning on Obama

[Oldstyle]

As for the whole "phony scandal" narrative? Nobody is buying that nonsense, Bfgrn and they haven't been for quite some time. It's obvious that not only are the Fast & Furious, Benghazi and the IRS scandals real...but that the Obama White House stonewalled investigations by Congress into ALL of them!

 

[ChrisL]

Are you kidding? Lol. NO. I don't think we need a link to the above. It is common knowledge.

Failure to provide a link when asked is a de facto admission of spewing partisan lies.

Um, no it is not. You are so full of it, I can smell you from here.

Only you can destroy your own credibility.

Failing to provide a link when requested will ruin your credibility.

Congratulations on trashing your own reputation.

There is a link. Not my fault if you cannot read or follow along. I'm sure you probably already have quite the "reputation" and, by your horrible tude, it cannot be anything good.

Facts not in evidence.

If the link exists then you should be able to produce it.

That you cannot indicates that it doesn't but that is your problem, not mine.

I've mentioned and referred to the link I provided several times now. I don't think you need me to hold your hand. It's probably a page or two back. Maybe you should follow the conversation a little better. Then you could know what is happening.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Failure to provide a link when asked is a de facto admission of spewing partisan lies.

Um, no it is not. You are so full of it, I can smell you from here.

Only you can destroy your own credibility.

Failing to provide a link when requested will ruin your credibility.

Congratulations on trashing your own reputation.

There is a link. Not my fault if you cannot read or follow along. I'm sure you probably already have quite the "reputation" and, by your horrible tude, it cannot be anything good.

Facts not in evidence.

If the link exists then you should be able to produce it.

That you cannot indicates that it doesn't but that is your problem, not mine.

I've mentioned and referred to the link I provided several times now. I don't think you need me to hold your hand. It's probably a page or two back. Maybe you should follow the conversation a little better. Then you could know what is happening.

You can't even find your own link?

What does that say about you?

 

[ChrisL]

Um, no it is not. You are so full of it, I can smell you from here.

Only you can destroy your own credibility.

Failing to provide a link when requested will ruin your credibility.

Congratulations on trashing your own reputation.

There is a link. Not my fault if you cannot read or follow along. I'm sure you probably already have quite the "reputation" and, by your horrible tude, it cannot be anything good.

Facts not in evidence.

If the link exists then you should be able to produce it.

That you cannot indicates that it doesn't but that is your problem, not mine.

I've mentioned and referred to the link I provided several times now. I don't think you need me to hold your hand. It's probably a page or two back. Maybe you should follow the conversation a little better. Then you could know what is happening.

You can't even find your own link?

What does that say about you?

Look, obviously you are more interested in giving me a difficult time than in the actual information, or else you would be scrolling back one or two (maybe three pages tops) where I posted a link.

 

[ChrisL]

Let's also not forget how Obamacare was forced upon us. IMO, that is a violation of the Constitution. It is forcing the people to buy a product, just to live, but they were snakes about it and passed it through as a "tax." That is so shady. Everything they do is so shady. How can anybody trust them?

 

[NLT]

Facts not in evidence.

If the link exists then you should be able to produce it.

That you cannot indicates that it doesn't but that is your problem, not mine.[/QUOTE]

I've mentioned and referred to the link I provided several times now. I don't think you need me to hold your hand. It's probably a page or two back. Maybe you should follow the conversation a little better. Then you could know what is happening. [/QUOTE]

You can't even find your own link?

What does that say about you?[/QUOTE]

Typical lazy ass liberal, wanting some one else to do all the work

 

[Derideo_Te]

Only you can destroy your own credibility.

Failing to provide a link when requested will ruin your credibility.

Congratulations on trashing your own reputation.

There is a link. Not my fault if you cannot read or follow along. I'm sure you probably already have quite the "reputation" and, by your horrible tude, it cannot be anything good.

Facts not in evidence.

If the link exists then you should be able to produce it.

That you cannot indicates that it doesn't but that is your problem, not mine.

I've mentioned and referred to the link I provided several times now. I don't think you need me to hold your hand. It's probably a page or two back. Maybe you should follow the conversation a little better. Then you could know what is happening.

You can't even find your own link?

What does that say about you?

Look, obviously you are more interested in giving me a difficult time than in the actual information, or else you would be scrolling back one or two (maybe three pages tops) where I posted a link.

Your link does not exist because you cannot produce it ergo you are lying,

Have a nice day!

 

[ChrisL]

There is a link. Not my fault if you cannot read or follow along. I'm sure you probably already have quite the "reputation" and, by your horrible tude, it cannot be anything good.

Facts not in evidence.

If the link exists then you should be able to produce it.

That you cannot indicates that it doesn't but that is your problem, not mine.

I've mentioned and referred to the link I provided several times now. I don't think you need me to hold your hand. It's probably a page or two back. Maybe you should follow the conversation a little better. Then you could know what is happening.

You can't even find your own link?

What does that say about you?

Look, obviously you are more interested in giving me a difficult time than in the actual information, or else you would be scrolling back one or two (maybe three pages tops) where I posted a link.

Your link does not exist because you cannot produce it ergo you are lying,

Have a nice day!

Yup, okay. Everyone else who is following along as seen it. Lol. Don't blame me that you aren't paying attention to the discussion. If you had been, you would have seen the link already.

This is just another transparent liberal tactic. Since you cannot address the link, you will, like a crazy person, insist it does not exist. Anyone else who is NOT lazy, can simply scroll back and see you for what you actually are. Have a nice day.

 

[kaz]

Your link does not exist because you cannot produce it ergo you are lying,

Have a nice day!

Yup, okay. Everyone else who is following along as seen it. Lol. Don't blame me that you aren't paying attention to the discussion. If you had been, you would have seen the link already.

This is just another transparent liberal tactic. Since you cannot address the link, you will, like a crazy person, insist it does not exist. Anyone else who is NOT lazy, can simply scroll back and see you for what you actually are. Have a nice day.

It makes no difference how many times you show them the link. Once they start a circle jerk it doesn't end.

 

[ChrisL]

Just to humor some of your dumb asses.

Money Morning

Here is the link again. Look at that. I went to page 15, and lo and behold!!!! Goodness that was difficult. Lol!

 

[Derideo_Te]

Just to humor some of your dumb asses.

Money Morning

Here is the link again. Look at that. I went to page 15, and lo and behold!!!! Goodness that was difficult. Lol!

Here is your original allegation;

Let's not forget the sneaky way the democrats forced us to buy a product from health insurance companies. This has already been in effect in Massachusetts for several years now, and has had terrible effects on jobs! MANY jobs are now only "temporary" jobs and a lot of people have to go through employment services to get a job. Also, a lot of jobs that used to be full time have now been cut back to part-time, and this is all due to the expense of providing mandatory health insurance, unless of course you are a favorite and get an Obama waiver. Good Lord! *rolls eyes*

Your link doesn't say a single word about healthcare in Massachussetts. In fact it is little more than a partisan hack piece with the purpose of flogging a book that preaches to the TP crowd.

But thanks for establishing that you are gullible enough to swallow extreme right partisan rhetoric. That was yet another hit to your credibility.

 

[Bfgrn]

From link in post #298.

Get ready to be blindsided by a barrage of new taxes. $1 trillion worth...

They'll be coming courtesy of the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare.

And they won't just be affecting those who make over $250,000. The bulk of these taxes will be passed on directly to the middle class.

That's because while a majority of these "stealth taxes" were designed to be taxes on businesses, they're actually transferred directly to ordinary citizens.

MORE: How much extra will you have to pay? To see how Obamacare taxes will directly affect your paycheck, go here.
They include the investment income surtax, a Medicare payroll tax, even a "tanning tax" on those who utilize indoor tanning services.

"Many of those [hidden] taxes, especially those on hospitals, insurers and medical device manufacturers, will ultimately be passed on through higher health costs," said Michael Tanner an expert on the healthcare law.

In fact, analysts estimate Obamacare will cost the average taxpayer nearly $6,000 in extra taxes as early as next year.

Hey Chris...WHO is the Money Morning 'staff'? and where do they get their 'information'?

It's a money investment advice site.

About Us

From your article:

Editor's Note: Real facts and figures about the hidden Obamacare taxes and fees and how they will affect everyday Americans and seniors are hard to find. As a courtesy, Money Morning is offering readers a free copy of Betsy McCaughey's new book Beating Obamacare: Your Handbook for Surviving The New Health Care Law. But only a limited number of copies are available.

Do you know who Betsy "death panel" McCaughey is Chris?? She is the woman who was paid by big tobacco to use false information and fear mongering to destroy health care reform in 1993.

She is the woman who turned 'advanced directives', where people voluntarily meet with their doctor to decide what THEY want done and NOT done on THEIR behalf at the end of their life, into DEATH panels.

Congratulations Chris...

 

[ChrisL]

Just to humor some of your dumb asses.

Money Morning

Here is the link again. Look at that. I went to page 15, and lo and behold!!!! Goodness that was difficult. Lol!

Here is your original allegation;

Let's not forget the sneaky way the democrats forced us to buy a product from health insurance companies. This has already been in effect in Massachusetts for several years now, and has had terrible effects on jobs! MANY jobs are now only "temporary" jobs and a lot of people have to go through employment services to get a job. Also, a lot of jobs that used to be full time have now been cut back to part-time, and this is all due to the expense of providing mandatory health insurance, unless of course you are a favorite and get an Obama waiver. Good Lord! *rolls eyes*

Your link doesn't say a single word about healthcare in Massachussetts. In fact it is little more than a partisan hack piece with the purpose of flogging a book that preaches to the TP crowd.

But thanks for establishing that you are gullible enough to swallow extreme right partisan rhetoric. That was yet another hit to your credibility.

Are you kidding me? You don't know about the healthcare plan in Massachusetts? Jeesh!!! That's pretty sad. Anywhere, here is a link.

Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The state of Massachusetts passed a health care reform law in 2006 with the aim of providing health insurance to nearly all of its residents. The law mandated that nearly every resident of Massachusetts obtain a minimum level of insurance coverage, provided free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level (FPL) and mandated employers with more than 10 "full-time" employees to provide healthcare insurance. The law was amended significantly in 2008 and twice in 2010 to make it consistent with the federalAffordable Care Act. Major revisions related to health care industry price controls were passed in August 2012, and the employer mandate was repealed in 2013.[1]

 

[ChrisL]

Seriously, I thought everyone knew that. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

From link in post #298.

Get ready to be blindsided by a barrage of new taxes. $1 trillion worth...

They'll be coming courtesy of the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare.

And they won't just be affecting those who make over $250,000. The bulk of these taxes will be passed on directly to the middle class.

That's because while a majority of these "stealth taxes" were designed to be taxes on businesses, they're actually transferred directly to ordinary citizens.

MORE: How much extra will you have to pay? To see how Obamacare taxes will directly affect your paycheck, go here.
They include the investment income surtax, a Medicare payroll tax, even a "tanning tax" on those who utilize indoor tanning services.

"Many of those [hidden] taxes, especially those on hospitals, insurers and medical device manufacturers, will ultimately be passed on through higher health costs," said Michael Tanner an expert on the healthcare law.

In fact, analysts estimate Obamacare will cost the average taxpayer nearly $6,000 in extra taxes as early as next year.

Hey Chris...WHO is the Money Morning 'staff'? and where do they get their 'information'?

It's a money investment advice site.

About Us

From your article:

Editor's Note: Real facts and figures about the hidden Obamacare taxes and fees and how they will affect everyday Americans and seniors are hard to find. As a courtesy, Money Morning is offering readers a free copy of Betsy McCaughey's new book Beating Obamacare: Your Handbook for Surviving The New Health Care Law. But only a limited number of copies are available.

Do you know who Betsy "death panel" McCaughey is Chris?? She is the woman who was paid by big tobacco to use false information and fear mongering to destroy health care reform in 1993.

She is the woman who turned 'advanced directives', where people voluntarily meet with their doctor to decide what THEY want done and NOT done on THEIR behalf at the end of their life, into DEATH panels.

Congratulations Chris...

I don't care about that. The site I supplied is not written by her. It is a valid website about how to best invest your money. Therefore, they certainly KNOW about taxes and how to find them.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Just to humor some of your dumb asses.

Money Morning

Here is the link again. Look at that. I went to page 15, and lo and behold!!!! Goodness that was difficult. Lol!

Here is your original allegation;

Let's not forget the sneaky way the democrats forced us to buy a product from health insurance companies. This has already been in effect in Massachusetts for several years now, and has had terrible effects on jobs! MANY jobs are now only "temporary" jobs and a lot of people have to go through employment services to get a job. Also, a lot of jobs that used to be full time have now been cut back to part-time, and this is all due to the expense of providing mandatory health insurance, unless of course you are a favorite and get an Obama waiver. Good Lord! *rolls eyes*

Your link doesn't say a single word about healthcare in Massachussetts. In fact it is little more than a partisan hack piece with the purpose of flogging a book that preaches to the TP crowd.

But thanks for establishing that you are gullible enough to swallow extreme right partisan rhetoric. That was yet another hit to your credibility.

Are you kidding me? You don't know about the healthcare plan in Massachusetts? Jeesh!!! That's pretty sad. Anywhere, here is a link.

Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The state of Massachusetts passed a health care reform law in 2006 with the aim of providing health insurance to nearly all of its residents. The law mandated that nearly every resident of Massachusetts obtain a minimum level of insurance coverage, provided free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level (FPL) and mandated employers with more than 10 "full-time" employees to provide healthcare insurance. The law was amended significantly in 2008 and twice in 2010 to make it consistent with the federalAffordable Care Act. Major revisions related to health care industry price controls were passed in August 2012, and the employer mandate was repealed in 2013.[1]

Not contesting that health care reform began in MA. I am asking you to prove your BS allegation about the impact it supposedly had on jobs.

Your link was an epic failure so you are just going to have to start from scratch to find something remotely credible.

Good luck!

 

[ChrisL]

ObamaCare Taxes That (may) Directly Affect the Average American

• 40% Excise Tax "Cadillac" on high-end Premium Health Insurance Plans 2018

• An annual $63 fee levied by ObamaCare on all plans (decreased each year until 2017 when pre-existing conditions are eliminated) to help pay for insurance companies covering the costs of high-risk pools.

• Medicine Cabinet Tax
Over the counter medicines no longer qualified as medical expenses for flexible spending accounts (FSAs), health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs), health savings accounts (HSAs), and Archer Medical Saving accounts (MSAs).

• Additional Tax on HSA/MSA Distributions
Health savings account or an Archer medical savings account, penalties for spending money on non-qualified medical expenses. 10% to 20% in the case of a HSA and from 15% to 20% in the case of a MSA.

• Flexible Spending Account Cap 2013
Contributions to FSAs are reduced to $2,500 from $5,000.

• Medical Deduction Threshold tax increase 2013
Threshold to deduct medical expenses as an itemized deduction increases to 10% from 7.5%.

• Individual Mandate (the tax for not purchasing insurance if you can afford it) 2014
Starting in 2014, anyone not buying "qualifying" health insurance must pay an income tax surtax at a rate of 1% or $95 in 2014 to 2.5% in 2016 on profitable income above the tax threshold. The total penalty amount cannot exceed the national average of the annual premiums of a "bronze level" health insurance plan on ObamaCare exchanges.

• Premium Tax Credits for Small Businesses 2014 (not a tax)

• Advanced Premium Tax Credits for Individuals and Families 2014 (not a tax)

• Medical Loss Ratio (MRL): Premium rebates (not a tax)

The link below provides a full list of ObamaCare Taxes by the IRS.

For a full list of taxes provisions from the IRS

Or see the latest publication by the joint tax committee on the Affordable Care Act.

 

[Bfgrn]

I suppose Bush is responsible for Barry's inept leadership when it comes to fighting ISIS? The "reset" with Russia?

I suppose Bush is responsible for the Fast & Furious scandal? The Benghazi debacle? The IRS abuses? The wiretaps on American journalists? The total lack of transparency of the Obama White House?

Who KNEW that the man you liberals derided for all those years as the "village idiot" was actually a political MASTERMIND who somehow manages to control the US government from his ranch in Crawford, Texas!

Who is 'Barry"? Do you mean the President of the United States?

Did Obama remove the government in Iraq that kept terrorists OUT of that country? Saddam was no angel, but he had no use for al Qaeda or terrorist cells in his country.

So what should Obama have done? If he had armed the Syrian rebels, and those weapon ended up in the hands of ISIS, WHAT would you be whining about today old man?

Is Obama responsible for a bunch of phony scandals, debacles and abuses trumped up by 24/7 faux news propaganda?

Phony scandals? Don't embarrass yourself...

What he should have done...what he was advised to do by his military leaders, Bob Gates, Leon Panetta and Hillary Clinton...was to leave a force in Iraq to stabilize the country! Barry didn't do that though...because Barry is more concerned with politics than he is with reality.

Yes phony scandals...Benghazi...IRS...NOTHING but political bullshit. A total waste of taxpayer money. Typical of Republican witch hunts instead of governing. If ANY government activity should have been investigated, it was Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the lies that led to the invasion in Iraq, and war crimes.

BRAVO to President Obama for NOT putting our troops in harms way. Would YOU want your son or daughter serving in Iraq without immunity from being subject to the Iraqi criminal justice system?

Be HONEST for once in your life...

What are you babbling about? The reason to HAVE a Status of Forces Agreement is to provide our troops with immunity from prosecution from the Iraqi criminal justice system!

Bottom line is that Barack Obama chose not to keep troops in Iraq and used the expiring Status of Forces Agreement as an excuse to pull them out. He did so against the advice of Bob Gates, Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

This liberal talking point that Barry HAD to take the troops out is laughable! It was his CHOICE to do so! He could have pressured Maliki into an new Status of Forces Agreement like so many in his Cabinet advised him to do but he chose not to do that because he was running for reelection as the President who "ended" the Iraq war.

AGAIN you talk out of your ass...

Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence

But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it. While he was inclined to see a small number of American soldiers stay behind to continue mentoring Iraqi forces, the likes of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, on whose support Maliki’s ruling coalition depends, were having none of it. Even the Obama Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based.

So, while U.S. commanders would have liked to have kept a division or more behind in Iraq to face any contingencies — and, increasingly, Administration figures had begun citing the challenge of Iran, next door — it was Iraqi democracy that put the kibosh on that goal. The Bush Administration had agreed in 2004 to restore Iraqi sovereignty, and in 2005 put the country’s elected government in charge of shaping its destiny. But President Bush hadn’t anticipated that Iraqi democracy would see pro-U.S. parties sidelined and would, instead, consistently return governments closer to Tehran than they are to Washington. Contra expectations, a democratic Iraq has turned out to be at odds with much of U.S. regional strategy — first and foremost its campaign to isolate Iran.

Time Magazine

 

[Derideo_Te]

ObamaCare Taxes That (may) Directly Affect the Average American

• 40% Excise Tax "Cadillac" on high-end Premium Health Insurance Plans 2018

• An annual $63 fee levied by ObamaCare on all plans (decreased each year until 2017 when pre-existing conditions are eliminated) to help pay for insurance companies covering the costs of high-risk pools.

• Medicine Cabinet Tax
Over the counter medicines no longer qualified as medical expenses for flexible spending accounts (FSAs), health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs), health savings accounts (HSAs), and Archer Medical Saving accounts (MSAs).

• Additional Tax on HSA/MSA Distributions
Health savings account or an Archer medical savings account, penalties for spending money on non-qualified medical expenses. 10% to 20% in the case of a HSA and from 15% to 20% in the case of a MSA.

• Flexible Spending Account Cap 2013
Contributions to FSAs are reduced to $2,500 from $5,000.

• Medical Deduction Threshold tax increase 2013
Threshold to deduct medical expenses as an itemized deduction increases to 10% from 7.5%.

• Individual Mandate (the tax for not purchasing insurance if you can afford it) 2014
Starting in 2014, anyone not buying "qualifying" health insurance must pay an income tax surtax at a rate of 1% or $95 in 2014 to 2.5% in 2016 on profitable income above the tax threshold. The total penalty amount cannot exceed the national average of the annual premiums of a "bronze level" health insurance plan on ObamaCare exchanges.

• Premium Tax Credits for Small Businesses 2014 (not a tax)

• Advanced Premium Tax Credits for Individuals and Families 2014 (not a tax)

• Medical Loss Ratio (MRL): Premium rebates (not a tax)

The link below provides a full list of ObamaCare Taxes by the IRS.

For a full list of taxes provisions from the IRS

Or see the latest publication by the joint tax committee on the Affordable Care Act.

Still nothing in there that supports your allegations about the impact on jobs.

 

[Bfgrn]

From link in post #298.

Get ready to be blindsided by a barrage of new taxes. $1 trillion worth...

They'll be coming courtesy of the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare.

And they won't just be affecting those who make over $250,000. The bulk of these taxes will be passed on directly to the middle class.

That's because while a majority of these "stealth taxes" were designed to be taxes on businesses, they're actually transferred directly to ordinary citizens.

MORE: How much extra will you have to pay? To see how Obamacare taxes will directly affect your paycheck, go here.
They include the investment income surtax, a Medicare payroll tax, even a "tanning tax" on those who utilize indoor tanning services.

"Many of those [hidden] taxes, especially those on hospitals, insurers and medical device manufacturers, will ultimately be passed on through higher health costs," said Michael Tanner an expert on the healthcare law.

In fact, analysts estimate Obamacare will cost the average taxpayer nearly $6,000 in extra taxes as early as next year.

Hey Chris...WHO is the Money Morning 'staff'? and where do they get their 'information'?

It's a money investment advice site.

About Us

From your article:

Editor's Note: Real facts and figures about the hidden Obamacare taxes and fees and how they will affect everyday Americans and seniors are hard to find. As a courtesy, Money Morning is offering readers a free copy of Betsy McCaughey's new book Beating Obamacare: Your Handbook for Surviving The New Health Care Law. But only a limited number of copies are available.

Do you know who Betsy "death panel" McCaughey is Chris?? She is the woman who was paid by big tobacco to use false information and fear mongering to destroy health care reform in 1993.

She is the woman who turned 'advanced directives', where people voluntarily meet with their doctor to decide what THEY want done and NOT done on THEIR behalf at the end of their life, into DEATH panels.

Congratulations Chris...

I don't care about that. The site I supplied is not written by her. It is a valid website about how to best invest your money. Therefore, they certainly KNOW about taxes and how to find them.

So, you don't care if you are reading propaganda or truth...no wonder you are unable to discern helping people from throwing them in the river to sink or swim.