Ray From Cleveland
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t will probably take a few election cycles, but if people start insisting on voting for "good" instead of "can win" or "lesser evil from major party", then eventually, we will either have a third party that can win, or we will see a change in how the major parties approach elections. Right now, all we do is encourage them to believe they can keep on with "same old, same old", because they know that when it comes down to Election Day, we can be buffaloed into falling in line with them.
Not much of a choice really. Like many Americans, I don't vote for my candidate because my candidate is great, I vote to keep the worst candidate out. Throwing my vote away on anybody outside of the two parties is just a wasted effort. It's like trying to push a car down the road with four flat tires.
And that attitude right there is why you never have any choices except "This pile of shit" and "that bucket of slime". Why the hell should the politicians and pundits and people in power ever listen to you, when you telegraph to them every election that you can be stampeded into abandoning the things you claim to care about?
As long as you insist that any vote that isn't cast for one of the Big Two is "wasted", then that will always be the case.
They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. I say the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over because you can't recognize that it's the same thing.
I'm not voting for Trump this year--I'm voting to keep Hillary out. The last two elections, I voted to keep DumBama out.
You know why we get shady con artists looking to line their own pockets every election, instead of potential statesmen and leaders? Because we cast our vote for every reason under the damned sun EXCEPT quality, principles, and conscience.
As long as you consider those things to be luxuries, or even liabilities, that must be set aside "just this one more time", and once we win, THEN we'll get to care about them, they will ALWAYS be luxuries to be pursued "someday", and someday never comes.
The only way we ever stand a chance at a third or fourth party is if both major parties piss off their electorate in the same year. This is the closest they have ever come to doing that this election cycle. So maybe we are on the right path.
Yeah, now if we could pull our heads out of our asses long enough to figure out that "same shit, different package" isn't progress, we might really have something.
And that attitude right there is why you never have any choices except "This pile of shit" and "that bucket of slime". Why the hell should the politicians and pundits and people in power ever listen to you, when you telegraph to them every election that you can be stampeded into abandoning the things you claim to care about?
As long as you insist that any vote that isn't cast for one of the Big Two is "wasted", then that will always be the case.
They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. I say the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over because you can't recognize that it's the same thing.
No, it's not the same thing. If McCain won the first election against DumBama, we wouldn't have Commie Care. We wouldn't be 19 trillion in debt. Iraq would still be under US and Iraqi control instead of ISIS. Benghazi would have never happened and if it did, McCain would have made efforts to help the poor souls that died in the battle.
There is a lot of difference, just not a striking difference as you would like to see it.
You know why we get shady con artists looking to line their own pockets every election, instead of potential statesmen and leaders? Because we cast our vote for every reason under the damned sun EXCEPT quality, principles, and conscience.
No, we get shady people because of our media.
Who wants to go through the hell candidates go through just to run for office? They will attack you, attack your family, attack your associates.......
Donald Trump is a fine example of this. They went back decades to find women he dated to trash the guy. With George Bush, they went back 20 years to find a DUI that he resolved with authorities. Romney? They went all the way back to his high school years to find a story about a kid he played a prank on.
What descent person would want to go through all that? So the good people stay the hell out of politics.
Yeah, now if we could pull our heads out of our asses long enough to figure out that "same shit, different package" isn't progress, we might really have something.
Yes we might, but it's impossible to get everybody (or even most people) to think the same way. If you think that's ever going to happen in a country as large as ours, then you are living in fantasy land and not reality.
In reality, you have to play the cards you are dealt. No matter how bad of a hand you may have, you throw away the worst cards in effort to make a shitty hand a not as shitty of a hand. If you throw all your cards in, you stand no chance at winning anything. You can't make a good hand that way.
During the housing bubble our suburb went to hell. With no money down and no credit checks, the lowlifes from the inner-city moved here and along with them came the crime.
I didn't experience much of a problem because I have over a dozen motion detector lights on my property. I monitored my police scanner nightly. If there was ever a problem in my area, I kept focus on what was going on outside.
I told my councilman about my efforts and expressed to him that we need to encourage everybody to do the same things I have done. We need to fight crime together because we don't have a cop on every street. Do you think I was able to get anybody to take the same steps as I did?
Of course not. There is a solution to every problem, but you can't get everybody involved to produce those solutions. If we could do that, terrorism would be a thing of the past because all nations would join together to wipe terrorism off the face of the earth.