Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

[Montrovant]

Why don't you just go ahead and tell us what you think the proper distribution of people is, based on whatever criteria you consider important?

 

[Mojo2]

Islam as a PERSONAL religious preference is one thing.

Islam as a set of laws and justice and government system competing against the laws and sovereignty of the USA should already be prohibited by OUR law.

so long as the two aren't in conflict, what's the problem? when they are in conflict, US law wins. every time. but then this isn't a serious concern, since in no way shape or form is it happening here.

How far does the US Bill of Rights extend? I wonder. Does it cover groups coming to the USA with reasonable expectation of helping to spawn and shelter anti-American home-grown terrorists?

if we have reason to believe that someone is coming here to encourage terrorism we have every right to deny them entrance.
you seem to believe that religion alone is evidence enough, and I would say that it is that sort of thinking that the first amendment is meant to protect against.

Then how do you propose we protect America from the time bombs that are sure to be set upon us if we reached Stage 2 or more?

What time bombs would those be?

Go to the page for "Five Stages of Islam."

Read Stages 2, 3, 4 and 5.

Now, how do you propose we protect America from the time bombs that are sure to be set upon us if we reach Stage 2?

 

[Mojo2]

Why don't you just go ahead and tell us what you think the proper distribution of people is, based on whatever criteria you consider important?

Why don't you read the thread?

 

[Mohamed]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?



Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

most of muslim immigrants to america are highly educated people as engineers, doctors and programmers.

if you can't bear them, send them to us. we need them.

 

[ogibillm]

Islam as a PERSONAL religious preference is one thing.

Islam as a set of laws and justice and government system competing against the laws and sovereignty of the USA should already be prohibited by OUR law.

so long as the two aren't in conflict, what's the problem? when they are in conflict, US law wins. every time. but then this isn't a serious concern, since in no way shape or form is it happening here.

How far does the US Bill of Rights extend? I wonder. Does it cover groups coming to the USA with reasonable expectation of helping to spawn and shelter anti-American home-grown terrorists?

if we have reason to believe that someone is coming here to encourage terrorism we have every right to deny them entrance.
you seem to believe that religion alone is evidence enough, and I would say that it is that sort of thinking that the first amendment is meant to protect against.

Then how do you propose we protect America from the time bombs that are sure to be set upon us if we reached Stage 2 or more?

What time bombs would those be?

Go to the page for "Five Stages of Islam."

Read Stages 2, 3, 4 and 5.

Now, how do you propose we protect America from the time bombs that are sure to be set upon us if we reach Stage 2?

why would we need to 'protect' America against any of that? do you see a scenario where the united states would allow groups to make laws that contradict, or ignore, us law? if that's not allowed the rest of the concerns are invalid.

 

[Mojo2]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?



Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

most of muslim immigrants to america are highly educated people as engineers, doctors and programmers.

if you can't bear them, send them to us. we need them.

If we have any real hope of helping you it can't be here.

It has to be in YOUR countries.

That's where the dream must take root and grow into a haven even better than the USA.

You will need your Doctors and engineers to help your country and your people climb out of their current situations and into the Muslim dream and make yourselves the stars but without the convert, capitulation or death ultimatums, please.

 

[BillyP]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

most of muslim immigrants to america are highly educated people as engineers, doctors and programmers.

if you can't bear them, send them to us. we need them.

Do we get to keep their camels?

 

[Mojo2]

Islam as a PERSONAL religious preference is one thing.

Islam as a set of laws and justice and government system competing against the laws and sovereignty of the USA should already be prohibited by OUR law.

so long as the two aren't in conflict, what's the problem? when they are in conflict, US law wins. every time. but then this isn't a serious concern, since in no way shape or form is it happening here.

How far does the US Bill of Rights extend? I wonder. Does it cover groups coming to the USA with reasonable expectation of helping to spawn and shelter anti-American home-grown terrorists?

if we have reason to believe that someone is coming here to encourage terrorism we have every right to deny them entrance.
you seem to believe that religion alone is evidence enough, and I would say that it is that sort of thinking that the first amendment is meant to protect against.

Then how do you propose we protect America from the time bombs that are sure to be set upon us if we reached Stage 2 or more?

What time bombs would those be?

Go to the page for "Five Stages of Islam."

Read Stages 2, 3, 4 and 5.

Now, how do you propose we protect America from the time bombs that are sure to be set upon us if we reach Stage 2?

why would we need to 'protect' America against any of that? do you see a scenario where the united states would allow groups to make laws that contradict, or ignore, us law? if that's not allowed the rest of the concerns are invalid.

I hope this answers your sincere question.

 

[PratchettFan]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Oh, don't be such a drama queen.

Immigration quotas are set using several criteria.

Dr. Peter Hammond's eye-opening data can't be ignored.

If allowing Muslim populations to grow beyond a certain level will mean terrible events will result, I say that the Muslims will start to be killed on sight and that would be bad for Muslims.

Let's do what we can to keep them safe.

Limit their numbers.

No more than 2%.

I'm not a drama queen, but I know one when I see one. While I get you're scared to death, I think your idea is absolute garbage.

 

[ogibillm]

Islam as a PERSONAL religious preference is one thing.

Islam as a set of laws and justice and government system competing against the laws and sovereignty of the USA should already be prohibited by OUR law.

so long as the two aren't in conflict, what's the problem? when they are in conflict, US law wins. every time. but then this isn't a serious concern, since in no way shape or form is it happening here.

How far does the US Bill of Rights extend? I wonder. Does it cover groups coming to the USA with reasonable expectation of helping to spawn and shelter anti-American home-grown terrorists?

if we have reason to believe that someone is coming here to encourage terrorism we have every right to deny them entrance.
you seem to believe that religion alone is evidence enough, and I would say that it is that sort of thinking that the first amendment is meant to protect against.

Then how do you propose we protect America from the time bombs that are sure to be set upon us if we reached Stage 2 or more?

What time bombs would those be?

Go to the page for "Five Stages of Islam."

Read Stages 2, 3, 4 and 5.

Now, how do you propose we protect America from the time bombs that are sure to be set upon us if we reach Stage 2?

why would we need to 'protect' America against any of that? do you see a scenario where the united states would allow groups to make laws that contradict, or ignore, us law? if that's not allowed the rest of the concerns are invalid.

I hope this answers your sincere question.

nope. your words. i don't have ten minutes to spend watching a youtube video trying to glean your point, if you have one, from it.

how do you suppose it would be allowed for a group within the united states to create their own court enforceable laws, separate and in contradiction of those of the united states?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Mojo2 said: ↑

We use a formula for establishing quotas.

Certainly Islam's nasty habits and excess baggage should be limited from tainting our society and culture. We need to be able to keep Muslim populations in America where they have proven to be relatively harmless.

In addition to being ignorant, hateful, morally reprehensible, and anathema to the fundamental tenets upon which this Nation was founded, this idiocy is prima facie un-Constitutional, a clear violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment and the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.


At least as with most conservatives, however, you're consistent in your contempt for the Constitution and its case law.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

The Five Stages of Islam
By Richard Butrick

Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms
of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association
and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means
submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of
the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory
Islam to fascist Islam.

The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher
bracket.

The demographics change but the story is the same.

First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam.

Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities,
removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs
near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with
major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah
el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for
jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient
security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then
comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of
the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
criticism of Islam results ...

Continued at link.

Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

​

Exactly what part of that is over your head, Adolf?

The Bill of Rights isn't a suicide pact.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Oh, don't be such a drama queen.

Immigration quotas are set using several criteria.

Dr. Peter Hammond's eye-opening data can't be ignored.

If allowing Muslim populations to grow beyond a certain level will mean terrible events will result, I say that the Muslims will start to be killed on sight and that would be bad for Muslims.

Let's do what we can to keep them safe.

Limit their numbers.

No more than 2%.

you don't find placing racial and religious quotas on immigrants to be a bit antithetical to our founding principles?

We had major restrictions on the immigration of people who belonged to the religions of Communism and Anarchism.

 

[PratchettFan]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

The Five Stages of Islam
By Richard Butrick

Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms
of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association
and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means
submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of
the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory
Islam to fascist Islam.

The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher
bracket.

The demographics change but the story is the same.

First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam.

Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities,
removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs
near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with
major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah
el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for
jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient
security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then
comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of
the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
criticism of Islam results ...

Continued at link.

Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

​

Exactly what part of that is over your head, Adolf?

The Bill of Rights isn't a suicide pact.

Bullshit.

 

[ogibillm]

The Bill of Rights isn't a suicide pact.

neither is it something that can just be ignored because you don't like the brown people that pray differently.
in fact protection from people like yourself is the entire reason it exists.

 

[Mojo2]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

The Five Stages of Islam
By Richard Butrick

Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms
of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association
and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means
submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of
the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory
Islam to fascist Islam.

The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher
bracket.

The demographics change but the story is the same.

First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam.

Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities,
removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs
near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with
major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah
el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for
jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient
security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then
comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of
the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
criticism of Islam results ...

Continued at link.

Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

​

Exactly what part of that is over your head, Adolf?

The Bill of Rights isn't a suicide pact.

Bullshit.

On your breakfast menu?

 

[Rikurzhen]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

The Five Stages of Islam
By Richard Butrick

Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms
of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association
and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means
submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of
the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory
Islam to fascist Islam.

The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher
bracket.

The demographics change but the story is the same.

First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam.

Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities,
removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs
near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with
major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah
el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for
jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient
security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then
comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of
the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
criticism of Islam results ...

Continued at link.

Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

​

Exactly what part of that is over your head, Adolf?

The Bill of Rights isn't a suicide pact.

Bullshit.

It IS a suicide pact?

 

[Rikurzhen]

The Bill of Rights isn't a suicide pact.

neither is it something that can just be ignored because you don't like the brown people that pray differently.
in fact protection from people like yourself is the entire reason it exists.

Or people who believe differently, except that it can:

Various proposals were introduced in Congress to ban communist immigrants.[26] World War II intensified anti-alien sentiment, and the Smith Act passed Congress in 1940.[26] It banned present and former belief, advocacy, and membership as well as present.[27] In 1941, Congress additionally authorized consular officers to deny visas to any person the officers had reason to believe would "engag[e] in activities which will endanger the public safety" and granted the president the power to deport or bar entry to aliens when required by the "interests of the United States."[28] As the Cold War began in the late 1940s and early 1950s, intolerance of foreigners increased further.[29]
In 1950, amidst hysteria and fear of communists, the Internal Security Act was passed into law. It expressly excluded communists, totalitarians, and fascists from the US for the first time.[30] Unlike the 1903 Immigration Act, which excluded only a few dozen anarchists, the Internal Security Act barred thousands foreigners from entering the US, at least on a temporary basis.[30] When immigration laws were overhauled in the 1952 McCarran-Walter Act, these exclusions—along with all prior exclusions, such as those for anarchists—were recodified.​

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Islam as a set of laws and justice and government system competing against the laws and sovereignty of the USA should already be prohibited by OUR law.


Ignorant nonsense.


Islam is religion entitled to the same Constitutional protections as any other religion.


Anyone who takes action outside of religious acts entitled to First Amendment protections, in accordance with Establishment Clause/Free Exercise Clause jurisprudence, will be subject to criminal prosecution.


But persons of faith cannot be subjected to 'preemptive restrictions' predicated solely on your unwarranted, unfounded, ignorant, and inane fear of Muslims. One's civil liberties cannot be restricted because the state 'thinks' someone 'might' do something wrong.


And as already correctly noted: your advocacy of violating the First Amendment rights of Muslims as a consequence of your stupidity and hate does more harm to America than any 'harm' done by your delusional perception of Muslims.

 

[Mojo2]

The Bill of Rights isn't a suicide pact.

neither is it something that can just be ignored because you don't like the brown people that pray differently.
in fact protection from people like yourself is the entire reason it exists.

Its not a color thing as much as a totalitarian government kind of thing which ALL of its followers are obligated to help achieve.

And that totalitarian government will be VERY peaceful...

BUT THAT PEACE WILL ONLY COME ABOUT after great tumult and violent resistance such as what we see from the M.E.

Those who want us to experience that are the same ones who support the Jihad.

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Oh, don't be such a drama queen.

Immigration quotas are set using several criteria.

Dr. Peter Hammond's eye-opening data can't be ignored.

If allowing Muslim populations to grow beyond a certain level will mean terrible events will result, I say that the Muslims will start to be killed on sight and that would be bad for Muslims.

Let's do what we can to keep them safe.

Limit their numbers.

No more than 2%.

I'm not a drama queen, but I know one when I see one. While I get you're scared to death, I think your idea is absolute garbage.

Okay.

What's YOUR solution to the Jihadi problem?