Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

[Mojo2]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

The Five Stages of Islam
By Richard Butrick

Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms
of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association
and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means
submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of
the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory
Islam to fascist Islam.

The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher
bracket.

The demographics change but the story is the same.

First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam.

Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities,
removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs
near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with
major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah
el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for
jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient
security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then
comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of
the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
criticism of Islam results ...

Continued at link.

Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

 

[BillyP]

We should round them up and put them in camps like we did to the Japs in WWII until the war against Islam is over. Or, they can go home.

 

[Pogo]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

The Five Stages of Islam
By Richard Butrick

Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms
of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association
and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means
submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of
the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory
Islam to fascist Islam.

The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher
bracket.

The demographics change but the story is the same.

First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam.

Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities,
removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs
near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with
major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah
el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for
jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient
security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then
comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of
the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
criticism of Islam results ...

Continued at link.

Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

​

Exactly what part of that is over your head, Adolf?

 

[Pogo]

We should round them up and put them in camps like we did to the Japs in WWII until the war against Islam is over. Or, they can go home.

Though this post makes the opposite point from what it thinks it's making --- it says a lot.

 

[PratchettFan]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

 

[Pogo]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Yeah, what's the Second one again? I forget.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Obviously the OP wants to trash the First and Fifth.

 

[Pogo]

This site needs a new forum called "Racists, Bigots and Witch Burning Motherfuckers". It's a growing population.

 

[Mojo2]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

The Five Stages of Islam
By Richard Butrick

Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms
of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association
and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means
submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of
the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory
Islam to fascist Islam.

The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher
bracket.

The demographics change but the story is the same.

First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam.

Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities,
removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs
near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with
major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah
el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for
jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient
security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then
comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of
the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
criticism of Islam results ...

Continued at link.

Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

​

Exactly what part of that is over your head, Adolf?

We use a formula for establishing quotas.

Certainly Islam's nasty habits and excess baggage should be limited from tainting our society and culture. We need to be able to keep Muslim populations in America where they have proven to be relatively harmless.

 

[PratchettFan]

We use a formula for establishing quotas.

Certainly Islam's nasty habits and excess baggage should be limited from tainting our society and culture. We need to be able to keep Muslim populations in America where they have proven to be relatively harmless.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." B. Franklin

"This nation is truly lost when our principles are dictated by our fears." Me

 

[Mojo2]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Oh, don't be such a drama queen.

Immigration quotas are set using several criteria.

Dr. Peter Hammond's eye-opening data can't be ignored.

If allowing Muslim populations to grow beyond a certain level will mean terrible events will result, I say that the Muslims will start to be killed on sight and that would be bad for Muslims.

Let's do what we can to keep them safe.

Limit their numbers.

No more than 2%.

 

[ogibillm]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Oh, don't be such a drama queen.

Immigration quotas are set using several criteria.

Dr. Peter Hammond's eye-opening data can't be ignored.

If allowing Muslim populations to grow beyond a certain level will mean terrible events will result, I say that the Muslims will start to be killed on sight and that would be bad for Muslims.

Let's do what we can to keep them safe.

Limit their numbers.

No more than 2%.

you don't find placing racial and religious quotas on immigrants to be a bit antithetical to our founding principles?

 

[Mojo2]

We use a formula for establishing quotas.

Certainly Islam's nasty habits and excess baggage should be limited from tainting our society and culture. We need to be able to keep Muslim populations in America where they have proven to be relatively harmless.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." B. Franklin

"This nation is truly lost when our principles are dictated by our fears." Me

Google the Influenza Pandemic of 1918 - 1919.

It killed 20,000,000.

The key to stopping an enemy which won't stop on its own is to act swiftly and decisively.

ISIS and the Palestinians and Hamas and Hezbollah and Boko Haram and Abu Sayeff and the Shiites and the Wahabists and all of it are inseparable* from regular or should I say, moderate Muslims. EDIT: Inseparable in terms of radical Jihadists living among other Muslims feel more comfortable and benefit from greater support from Muslim neighbors and businesses and Mosques.

So why not limit the numbers of Muslims?

We stopped people with diseases from entering the USA after they reached Ellis Island and were discovered to be sick.

Why?

To keep America and Americans safe.

Why would the immigration laws be used to limit the numbers of Muslims to be allowed here?

To keep our government and our freedoms and our way of life safe.

EDIT: And to prevent Americans from rising up against every Muslim they see.

 

[Mojo2]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Oh, don't be such a drama queen.

Immigration quotas are set using several criteria.

Dr. Peter Hammond's eye-opening data can't be ignored.

If allowing Muslim populations to grow beyond a certain level will mean terrible events will result, I say that the Muslims will start to be killed on sight and that would be bad for Muslims.

Let's do what we can to keep them safe.

Limit their numbers.

No more than 2%.

you don't find placing racial and religious quotas on immigrants to be a bit antithetical to our founding principles?

Nope.

We have ALWAYS used a quota to allow certain peoples to enter in certain numbers.

And we can't save them all.

 

[ogibillm]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Oh, don't be such a drama queen.

Immigration quotas are set using several criteria.

Dr. Peter Hammond's eye-opening data can't be ignored.

If allowing Muslim populations to grow beyond a certain level will mean terrible events will result, I say that the Muslims will start to be killed on sight and that would be bad for Muslims.

Let's do what we can to keep them safe.

Limit their numbers.

No more than 2%.

you don't find placing racial and religious quotas on immigrants to be a bit antithetical to our founding principles?

Nope.

We have ALWAYS used a quota to allow certain peoples to enter in certain numbers.

And we can't save them all.

but have we ever used a religious quota? wouldn't such a quota run counter to the first amendment?

also i assume that you only mean this as a measure for immigration. what happens if the citizen population grows to more than 2%?

 

[Mojo2]

Do you want to trash the entire Bill of Rights or just the First Amendment?

Oh, don't be such a drama queen.

Immigration quotas are set using several criteria.

Dr. Peter Hammond's eye-opening data can't be ignored.

If allowing Muslim populations to grow beyond a certain level will mean terrible events will result, I say that the Muslims will start to be killed on sight and that would be bad for Muslims.

Let's do what we can to keep them safe.

Limit their numbers.

No more than 2%.

you don't find placing racial and religious quotas on immigrants to be a bit antithetical to our founding principles?

Nope.

We have ALWAYS used a quota to allow certain peoples to enter in certain numbers.

And we can't save them all.

but have we ever used a religious quota? wouldn't such a quota run counter to the first amendment?

also i assume that you only mean this as a measure for immigration. what happens if the citizen population grows to more than 2%?

Islam as a PERSONAL religious preference is one thing.

Islam as a set of laws and justice and government system competing against the laws and sovereignty of the USA should already be prohibited by OUR law.

How far does the US Bill of Rights extend? I wonder. Does it cover groups coming to the USA with reasonable expectation of helping to spawn and shelter anti-American home-grown terrorists?

 

[ogibillm]

Islam as a PERSONAL religious preference is one thing.

Islam as a set of laws and justice and government system competing against the laws and sovereignty of the USA should already be prohibited by OUR law.

so long as the two aren't in conflict, what's the problem? when they are in conflict, US law wins. every time. but then this isn't a serious concern, since in no way shape or form is it happening here.

How far does the US Bill of Rights extend? I wonder. Does it cover groups coming to the USA with reasonable expectation of helping to spawn and shelter anti-American home-grown terrorists?

if we have reason to believe that someone is coming here to encourage terrorism we have every right to deny them entrance.
you seem to believe that religion alone is evidence enough, and I would say that it is that sort of thinking that the first amendment is meant to protect against.

 

[shart_attack]

Would Muslims be safer and happier in the USA if we limit their numbers to NMT 2% of our population?

The Five Stages of Islam
By Richard Butrick

Forget the Five Pillars of Islam. It is the Five Stages of Islam that threaten the fundamental freedoms
of Western Democracy. Freedoms which include freedom of thought, expression, and association
and the crucial derived right of freedom of the press. We should never forget that "Islam" means
submission -- the opposite of self-determination and Enlightenment values.

Six years ago Dr. Peter Hammond published a remarkable book which included a statistical study of
the correlation between Muslim to non-Muslim population ratios and the transition from conciliatory
Islam to fascist Islam.

The stages are the same in 2011 but the demographics have changed to show an alarming progression. Many European nations and the U.S. are on the cusp of moving to a higher bracket.

The demographics change but the story is the same.

First comes the taqiyya and the kitman; then comes the Sword of Islam.

Imam Rauf, the Ground Zero Mosque promoter, is the current master of taqiyya. He has gulled everyone from Bloomberg to Maureen Dowd of the NYT -- who fanaticizes over male Muslims. Expect doppelgangers of Khomeini for stage 5 and Islamic PEACE at last.

Stage 1. Establish a Beachhead

Population density à 2% (US, Australia, Canada).

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities, removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs near Mosques).

Stage 2. Establish Outposts

Population density 2% - 5% (UK, Germany, Denmark).

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. A recent example is that of Sheikh Abdullah el-Faisal who is back in Jamaica after being kicked out of the UK. Sound harmless? Read on:

The dispatch, dated February 2010, warns that that Jamaica could be fertile ground for
jihadists because of its underground drug economy, marginalized youth, insufficient
security and gang networks in U.S. and British prisons.

Stage 3. Establish Sectional Control of Major Cities.

Population density 5% - 10% (France, Sweden, Netherlands).

First comes the demand for halal food in supermarkets, and the blocking of streets for prayers; then comes the demand for self rule (within their ghettos) under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of the population the demands turn to lawlessness. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
criticism of Islam results ...

Continued at link.

Articles The Five Stages of Islam

I have little problem with the numbers of Muslims in America, currently.

This number, however, will change with an increase in the numbers of Muslims allowed in through immigration.

So, why not set a limit to prevent Muslim populations in America from reaching the Stage Two level?

They would be happier and be treated better.

​

Exactly what part of that is over your head, Adolf?

The Bill of Rights was not written to apply to Muslims.

It was written only for the Christians who were fleeing persecution from the British Throne.

 

[Mojo2]

Roy Beck (Gumball man from Immigration, USA) says we should re-adopt the quotas from 1965 and that would solve our immigration problem.

 

[Mojo2]

Islam as a PERSONAL religious preference is one thing.

Islam as a set of laws and justice and government system competing against the laws and sovereignty of the USA should already be prohibited by OUR law.

so long as the two aren't in conflict, what's the problem? when they are in conflict, US law wins. every time. but then this isn't a serious concern, since in no way shape or form is it happening here.

How far does the US Bill of Rights extend? I wonder. Does it cover groups coming to the USA with reasonable expectation of helping to spawn and shelter anti-American home-grown terrorists?

if we have reason to believe that someone is coming here to encourage terrorism we have every right to deny them entrance.
you seem to believe that religion alone is evidence enough, and I would say that it is that sort of thinking that the first amendment is meant to protect against.

I love America and the ideals it stands for.

I would have been aghast at the suggestion that the Writ of Habeas Corpus would ever be suspended in America for surely that is one of the foundations of our judicial freedoms!

Yet, Abraham Lincoln did just that during the 1860's.

And for understandable cause.

Now look where we are.

We even had a President racially profile a group of Americans and have them segregated for the duration of the Second World War.

For understandable cause.

Roy Beck suggests we return to our 1965 immigration quotas.

Hmmm...