Agnapostate
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no shit sherlock, are you complete unable to read and comprehend at the same time?
In other words, you can't think of an answer.
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no shit sherlock, are you complete unable to read and comprehend at the same time?
Anyone who understands anything about the middle east knows that apologies come from a position of weakness.
Why do you think the Iranians freed the hostages on the day Ronny Raygun took office? They knew he meant business that's why.
Obama is only projecting weakness.
cause there are no Shia jihadist groups
Is that a reference to Hezbollah? They pose a regional threat to Israel (which functions as a strategic liability to the U.S.), not to the U.S.
The article presents one way to spin the story. Another would suggest Iran should thank the US and UK for preventing Mossadeq from delivering Iran over to the USSR intentionally or not. During WWII, Iran had been occupied by the Soviet Union, the US and the UK so that aid, mostly from the US, could be delivered to the Soviets. After the war, Stalin refused to withdraw his troops until the UK with the support of the US demanded it. The USSR then for years sought to persuade some outlying provinces to secede, and this agitation continued during the the events of 1953.
There can be little doubt but that the USSR would have turned Iran into a Soviet satellite state if Mossadeq had managed to break relations with the UK and US, and then Iran would have had no control over its oil production or oil revenues. In fact, had the Soviets not gotten bogged down in Afghanistan, they would almost certainly have tried again to take over Iran after the Islamic Revolution.
Instead asking for an apology from the US, Amadinejad should apologize to the US for its decades of ingratitude.
That argument really depends entirely in the premise that Mopssadeq would have willingly turned Iran into a Societ client state.
Frankly, I doubt that.
Obviously you believe it.
If you are right, then the coup was a good thing.
If I am right, then the coup was a bad idea.
What evidence do you bring to the table to support your contention?
What Mossadeq would have willingly done is irrelevant. The USSR had been trying to gain control of Iran since the end of WWII, not only because of its oil but also to gain Iran's ports on the Persian Gulf. The principal opposition to the Shah came from a loose coalition of communists and hardline Islamists who were united only in their opposition to the Shah's social, political and economic reforms aimed at turning Iran into western style secular democracy. It was this coalition of communists and Islamists that Mossadeq depended on in his efforts to unseat the Shah, and had the Shah left and the UK and US withdrawn their support for the Iranian government, a civil war between the communists and the Islamists would certainly have followed with the communists backed by the Soviets next door in Afghanistan.
The communists would have declared they were the legitimate government of Iran and asked the USSR to help them put down the Islamist insurrection, much as the communist government in Afghanistan did some years later, and the USSR would have recognized the communist government as legitimate and sent troops from Afghanistan to crush the Islamist rebellion. Soon after that a Soviet fleet would have had a home base in the Persian Gulf.
I am not worried about them giving them to some other faction, they will USE them themselves or give them to their terrorist puppets. And by the way, when they do, they will pay in LOTS of blood as Israel and the US NUKE the hell out of Iran.
The US is not going to nuke iran. Israel sure the hell is not going to nuke iran. We won't start another cold war with Russia just to suck some jewish dick. Sorry. I guess you'll have to figure out a way to instigate the Tribulation some other way.
Hey retard, after Iran uses a nuke we sure as hell will, well unless a cowardly Leftist is in the White House. Iran will either use it themselves or give one to their terrorist clients and hope somehow no one knows they did it. Obama is already sucking up to the Iranians as we speak.
wrong, i gave you an answer, only you are too fucking stupid to understand itno shit sherlock, are you complete unable to read and comprehend at the same time?
In other words, you can't think of an answer.
That argument really depends entirely in the premise that Mopssadeq would have willingly turned Iran into a Societ client state.
Frankly, I doubt that.
Obviously you believe it.
If you are right, then the coup was a good thing.
If I am right, then the coup was a bad idea.
What evidence do you bring to the table to support your contention?
What Mossadeq would have willingly done is irrelevant. The USSR had been trying to gain control of Iran since the end of WWII, not only because of its oil but also to gain Iran's ports on the Persian Gulf. The principal opposition to the Shah came from a loose coalition of communists and hardline Islamists who were united only in their opposition to the Shah's social, political and economic reforms aimed at turning Iran into western style secular democracy. It was this coalition of communists and Islamists that Mossadeq depended on in his efforts to unseat the Shah, and had the Shah left and the UK and US withdrawn their support for the Iranian government, a civil war between the communists and the Islamists would certainly have followed with the communists backed by the Soviets next door in Afghanistan.
The communists would have declared they were the legitimate government of Iran and asked the USSR to help them put down the Islamist insurrection, much as the communist government in Afghanistan did some years later, and the USSR would have recognized the communist government as legitimate and sent troops from Afghanistan to crush the Islamist rebellion. Soon after that a Soviet fleet would have had a home base in the Persian Gulf.
Interesting theory.
So essantially what you're suggesting is that British Petroeum's interests had nothing to do with it.
That is wasn't retribution for nationalizing the oil?
That once Moss was removed, the Soviet union was magically now what...no threat?
And you believe that, do you?
Do you also believe that Swarharto was going to be a communist? The CIA tried to have him killed, even after he's killed hundreds of thouands of communists
You see...I just don't believe that story. Neither does anyone else in Iran.
You want to know why nobody in the MidEast believes that story?
Because communism is an anthema to Islam, and Mossadeq was an extreme Iranian nationalist.
So much so, in fact, that he wouldn't screw Iran for the benefit of British petroleum.
And that is why the CIA staged a coup and PAID thugs to have it. NOt fear of the Soviets, but fear that the Iranians might actually take control over their oil.
Read Legacy of Ashes.
It might wake you up to the reality of our foreign policy and what the CIA was really doing (and why) during that period.
he knows more about the issue than you could ever hope to knowThanks Toomuchtime for the "fantasyland" history lesson.
It was very entertaining!!
I am sure he does, if you want to believe a bunch of right wing nonsensehe knows more about the issue than you could ever hope to knowThanks Toomuchtime for the "fantasyland" history lesson.
It was very entertaining!!
of course to someone as delusional as you, you dont know the truth when you see itI am sure he does, if you want to believe a bunch of right wing nonsensehe knows more about the issue than you could ever hope to knowThanks Toomuchtime for the "fantasyland" history lesson.
It was very entertaining!!
Even the History Channel special on Iran verified that the Shah was put into power by a CIA lead coup.
The Shah was an American puppet who brutilized his people for 25 years.
The United States government owes the people of Iran an apology for the thousands of people who were tortured and murdered at the hands of the Shah.
Are you insane? Iran will nuke Israel the first chance they get. THAT is the point. And when they do WE will nuke them back. WE will help Israel retaliate.
The clerics in Iran are looney toons. They want the end of the world more than any christian ever did. And they believe they can cause their 13th Iman to appear by destroying Israel. They have been VERY clear on what they intend. You just ignore the facts.
wrong, i gave you an answer, only you are too fucking stupid to understand it
no shit assholeAre you insane? Iran will nuke Israel the first chance they get. THAT is the point. And when they do WE will nuke them back. WE will help Israel retaliate.
The clerics in Iran are looney toons. They want the end of the world more than any christian ever did. And they believe they can cause their 13th Iman to appear by destroying Israel. They have been VERY clear on what they intend. You just ignore the facts.
Are you insane? Israel has thus far shown itself to be a far more unstable agent in the region than Iran. (Israel secretly developed nuclear weapons, concealed them from American inspectors, and still refuses to declare the existence of their arsenal, to say nothing of their blatant noncompliance with international consensus.) Iran, on the other hand, is hundreds of miles away and has never directly threatened Israel.
wrong, i gave you an answer, only you are too fucking stupid to understand it
You're full of shit. You couldn't name one Shi'a jihadist organization that poses a threat to the U.S.
no shit asshole
how many could have named Al Qaeda as a threat prior to 9/11
and before you show your idiocy again, i don't give a shit that they are a wahabbist sunni sect, it has to do with their anonymity
fuck off asswipeno shit asshole
how many could have named Al Qaeda as a threat prior to 9/11
and before you show your idiocy again, i don't give a shit that they are a wahabbist sunni sect, it has to do with their anonymity
Your replies remain as inane and moronic as ever. See, my contention is that the Incredible Hulk could be a dire threat to national security too. It has to do with his anonymity, you see. No one believes he's real. And I can't prove he's real, of course. But he's a threat nonetheless.
fuck off asswipe
you are the moronic one
no, it is YOU that has failedfuck off asswipe
you are the moronic one
Shut your fucking mouth, you venereal cockgoblin.
You've failed.