Women want to be treated equally.....

[danielpalos]

dear, porn is as real as acting; as a job. the porn sector is real under our form of Capitalism. do you not have any Faith in Capitalism?

"...as real as acting..."?? LMAO! So porn is as real as pretending to be someone else. Wow.

Performance Art; why not acquire and possess, a clue and a Cause, instead of just being a shill.

I am a shill for equality. I have not problem with that. In fact, I am quite proud of it.

As for your definition of "performance art", it is still not reality and the actions of the women in that realm of "art" is not a standard by which our society operates. And it still does not justify requiring women to submit to being used in order to gain equality.

I see you still have not addressed the numerous women (in relationships, lesbian, celibate by choice ect) for whom that submission would be harmful. Their equality is not important?

no dear; you are just proud of your fallacy of false Cause; you are not a shill for equality.

Yes I am. Unlike you, I am for equality regardless of whether those people could do anything for me.

dear, equality is something, not, nothing.

 

[WinterBorn]

Not a fallacy that your question is a red herring. It is not relevant to the topic at hand.

nothing but diversion; i got it. dear, it is my question and line of reasoning about equality.

I find it amusing that you refuse to answer my questions, but want me to answer yours.

And no, it is a red herring. It is not about your desires for women to ask to be used in order to show they are serious about equality.

How many of one sex party versus how many of another sex party is not relevant. As it is not relevant and you keep pressing it, the term "red herring" fits quite well.

dear, i am resorting to market based metrics, not just anecdotes, like you. dear, it has to do with equality.

No it does not. It has to do with what people want and with history.

People don't claim to want equality; or do you just make up stuff for others and not call them red herrings or straw men arguments?

Really? People don't want equality? So the women making 77% of what the men make for the same work don't want a raise?

 

[WinterBorn]

"...as real as acting..."?? LMAO! So porn is as real as pretending to be someone else. Wow.

Performance Art; why not acquire and possess, a clue and a Cause, instead of just being a shill.

I am a shill for equality. I have not problem with that. In fact, I am quite proud of it.

As for your definition of "performance art", it is still not reality and the actions of the women in that realm of "art" is not a standard by which our society operates. And it still does not justify requiring women to submit to being used in order to gain equality.

I see you still have not addressed the numerous women (in relationships, lesbian, celibate by choice ect) for whom that submission would be harmful. Their equality is not important?

no dear; you are just proud of your fallacy of false Cause; you are not a shill for equality.

Yes I am. Unlike you, I am for equality regardless of whether those people could do anything for me.

dear, equality is something, not, nothing.

Once again, your response has no bearing on what I said. I did not say equality was nothing.

 

[danielpalos]

nothing but diversion; i got it. dear, it is my question and line of reasoning about equality.

I find it amusing that you refuse to answer my questions, but want me to answer yours.

And no, it is a red herring. It is not about your desires for women to ask to be used in order to show they are serious about equality.

How many of one sex party versus how many of another sex party is not relevant. As it is not relevant and you keep pressing it, the term "red herring" fits quite well.

dear, i am resorting to market based metrics, not just anecdotes, like you. dear, it has to do with equality.

No it does not. It has to do with what people want and with history.

People don't claim to want equality; or do you just make up stuff for others and not call them red herrings or straw men arguments?

Really? People don't want equality? So the women making 77% of what the men make for the same work don't want a raise?

let's keep it simple my good shill; how many men make the same at any given Firm regardless of the equality of socialism And being male.

 

[danielpalos]

Performance Art; why not acquire and possess, a clue and a Cause, instead of just being a shill.

I am a shill for equality. I have not problem with that. In fact, I am quite proud of it.

As for your definition of "performance art", it is still not reality and the actions of the women in that realm of "art" is not a standard by which our society operates. And it still does not justify requiring women to submit to being used in order to gain equality.

I see you still have not addressed the numerous women (in relationships, lesbian, celibate by choice ect) for whom that submission would be harmful. Their equality is not important?

no dear; you are just proud of your fallacy of false Cause; you are not a shill for equality.

Yes I am. Unlike you, I am for equality regardless of whether those people could do anything for me.

dear, equality is something, not, nothing.

Once again, your response has no bearing on what I said. I did not say equality was nothing.

if it is Something, shouldn't it be worth some effort to obtain if it currently doesn't exist?

 

[WinterBorn]

I am a shill for equality. I have not problem with that. In fact, I am quite proud of it.

As for your definition of "performance art", it is still not reality and the actions of the women in that realm of "art" is not a standard by which our society operates. And it still does not justify requiring women to submit to being used in order to gain equality.

I see you still have not addressed the numerous women (in relationships, lesbian, celibate by choice ect) for whom that submission would be harmful. Their equality is not important?

no dear; you are just proud of your fallacy of false Cause; you are not a shill for equality.

Yes I am. Unlike you, I am for equality regardless of whether those people could do anything for me.

dear, equality is something, not, nothing.

Once again, your response has no bearing on what I said. I did not say equality was nothing.

if it is Something, shouldn't it be worth some effort to obtain if it currently doesn't exist?

So everything that is worthwhile should have a price? Lol. If that is the case, the price has been paid. Being treated as a second-class citizen for all those years was payment.

And payment is certainly not submitting to being used. That is depraved.

 

[danielpalos]

no dear; you are just proud of your fallacy of false Cause; you are not a shill for equality.

Yes I am. Unlike you, I am for equality regardless of whether those people could do anything for me.

dear, equality is something, not, nothing.

Once again, your response has no bearing on what I said. I did not say equality was nothing.

if it is Something, shouldn't it be worth some effort to obtain if it currently doesn't exist?

So everything that is worthwhile should have a price? Lol. If that is the case, the price has been paid. Being treated as a second-class citizen for all those years was payment.

dear, do you shill for every Thing?

"The cost of a thing is the amount of what I call life, which is required to be exchanged for it immediately or in the long run." - Henry Thoreau (1817-1862)

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes I am. Unlike you, I am for equality regardless of whether those people could do anything for me.

dear, equality is something, not, nothing.

Once again, your response has no bearing on what I said. I did not say equality was nothing.

if it is Something, shouldn't it be worth some effort to obtain if it currently doesn't exist?

So everything that is worthwhile should have a price? Lol. If that is the case, the price has been paid. Being treated as a second-class citizen for all those years was payment.

dear, do you shill for every Thing?

"The cost of a thing is the amount of what I call life, which is required to be exchanged for it immediately or in the long run." - Henry Thoreau (1817-1862)

Only those things that matter.

 

[danielpalos]

Equality is a social concept not a gender concept.

 

[WinterBorn]

Equality is a social concept not a gender concept.

Indeed it is. But that does not make it any less important.

 

[danielpalos]

Equality is a social concept not a gender concept.

Indeed it is. But that does not make it any less important.

Since it is not a gender concept; it is Only a social concept to the extent it is not a Capital concept.

Why do you believe Capitalists are not paying Labor what they believe the labor of Individuals is worth?

 

[WinterBorn]

Equality is a social concept not a gender concept.

Indeed it is. But that does not make it any less important.

Since it is not a gender concept; it is Only a social concept to the extent it is not a Capital concept.

Why do you believe Capitalists are not paying Labor what they believe the labor of Individuals is worth?

Two people doing the exact same job? No logical reason for not paying them the same wage, except discrimination.

 

[danielpalos]

Equality is a social concept not a gender concept.

Indeed it is. But that does not make it any less important.

Since it is not a gender concept; it is Only a social concept to the extent it is not a Capital concept.

Why do you believe Capitalists are not paying Labor what they believe the labor of Individuals is worth?

Two people doing the exact same job? No logical reason for not paying them the same wage, except discrimination.

dude; stop being such a shill. not every new hire is going to make the same as a veteran of that Firm.

 

[WinterBorn]

Equality is a social concept not a gender concept.

Indeed it is. But that does not make it any less important.

Since it is not a gender concept; it is Only a social concept to the extent it is not a Capital concept.

Why do you believe Capitalists are not paying Labor what they believe the labor of Individuals is worth?

Two people doing the exact same job? No logical reason for not paying them the same wage, except discrimination.

dude; stop being such a shill. not every new hire is going to make the same as a veteran of that Firm.

Jeez you really are a troll. How many times have I typed "Everything else being equal" when addressing this? You have responded several times, and even added the latin phrase for it.

But NOW you want to do this "But the new hires and the senior workers...!" bullshit. Truly sad.

No, I do not mean new hire should make the same as veterans in a company. But then, I have said that several times. I guess you were too busy wondering about mandingo parties.

 

[danielpalos]

Equality is a social concept not a gender concept.

Indeed it is. But that does not make it any less important.

Since it is not a gender concept; it is Only a social concept to the extent it is not a Capital concept.

Why do you believe Capitalists are not paying Labor what they believe the labor of Individuals is worth?

Two people doing the exact same job? No logical reason for not paying them the same wage, except discrimination.

dude; stop being such a shill. not every new hire is going to make the same as a veteran of that Firm.

Jeez you really are a troll. How many times have I typed "Everything else being equal" when addressing this? You have responded several times, and even added the latin phrase for it.

But NOW you want to do this "But the new hires and the senior workers...!" bullshit. Truly sad.

No, I do not mean new hire should make the same as veterans in a company. But then, I have said that several times. I guess you were too busy wondering about mandingo parties.

dear; all things being equal, why do you believe a capitalist looking at the bottom line would waste time with social discrimination instead of capital discrimination?

 

[WinterBorn]

Indeed it is. But that does not make it any less important.

Since it is not a gender concept; it is Only a social concept to the extent it is not a Capital concept.

Why do you believe Capitalists are not paying Labor what they believe the labor of Individuals is worth?

Two people doing the exact same job? No logical reason for not paying them the same wage, except discrimination.

dude; stop being such a shill. not every new hire is going to make the same as a veteran of that Firm.

Jeez you really are a troll. How many times have I typed "Everything else being equal" when addressing this? You have responded several times, and even added the latin phrase for it.

But NOW you want to do this "But the new hires and the senior workers...!" bullshit. Truly sad.

No, I do not mean new hire should make the same as veterans in a company. But then, I have said that several times. I guess you were too busy wondering about mandingo parties.

dear; all things being equal, why do you believe a capitalist looking at the bottom line would waste time with social discrimination instead of capital discrimination?

It is not the capitalist who does it. It is society, through the government, that works against discrimination.

The capitalist looking at the bottom line did not create any of the laws that we enjoy in the workplace now. The capitalist looking at the bottom line did not create the 40 hour week, overtime pay, safety standards, child labor laws, ect ect ect.

 

[danielpalos]

dear; you are confusing social discrimination with price discrimination.

 

[WinterBorn]

dear; you are confusing social discrimination with price discrimination.

Not at all. There are numerous examples of society making rules for capitalists to follow. It is done to protect the workers.

"Equal pa for equal work" will be just another of those.

 

[danielpalos]

dear; you are confusing social discrimination with price discrimination.

Not at all. There are numerous examples of society making rules for capitalists to follow. It is done to protect the workers.

"Equal pa for equal work" will be just another of those.

Health and safety affects everyone regardless of gender in any given market sector.

The porn sector and the non-porn sector pay appropriately.

 

[WinterBorn]

dear; you are confusing social discrimination with price discrimination.

Not at all. There are numerous examples of society making rules for capitalists to follow. It is done to protect the workers.

"Equal pa for equal work" will be just another of those.

Health and safety affects everyone regardless of gender in any given market sector.

The porn sector and the non-porn sector pay appropriately.

And the "Equal pay for equal work" will affect everyone, regardless of gender, race, or religious beliefs.