Women need birth control because "they can't control their libido"

[natstew]

It's easy to understand what Huckabee was talking about if you read the transcript or listened to the sound bite. There are three types of people who buy into the attempted smearing of Huckabee's statements, the borderline retarded, the truly ignorant and the little nazis who would rather believe propaganda than the truth.

The minute Huckabee said "Democrats want to tell women" without providing a single example where a Democrat has even hinted that women can't control their libidos, he was on the path to making a fool of himself. He has to deal with it and conservatives have to deal with the collateral damage he created. It would have been better for the party, had most of you come out and condemned Huckabee for spouting such vitriol, but instead you are defending him. Huckabee more or less disqualified himself for the candidacy....mark my words.

Bull Effing Shit!!

 

[itfitzme]

If Insurance Companies CHOSE to offer it, and women CHOSE to pay for it, that's fine, as long as they don't charge it to everyone else's premiums

Of course it is charged to "everyone else's premiums." That's the whole concept with insurance, a percentage of people have a particular need, so it's spread across the pool. The insurance company isn't eating the cost and she's not paying for it directly, everyone is paying for it. And then on top as a business, the insurance company has to charge for the risk and administration costs and profit margin, so in fact, the pool pays more than she would have paid if she just bought it.

This whole thing isn't about money. Sandra Fluke and her buds had 5 Planned Parenthoods within 8 miles of Georgetown they could have gotten free contraception. It's about making everyone dependent on government for their basic, everyday needs. That is how you maximize government power.

"That's the whole concept with insurance, a percentage of people have a particular need, so it's spread across the pool. "

True but that is as far as the argument goes. It immediately derails with;

"And then on top as a business, the insurance company has to charge for the risk and administration costs and profit margin...

Seriously, contraceptives being part of the insurance increases risk and administration costs? That is simply ridiculous. In fact, it would be the opposite as contraceptives reduce the risk of pregnancy and the ensuing costs.

"It's about making everyone dependent on government for their basic, everyday needs. "

Also simply stupid.

 

[natstew]

What are the consequences to taxpayers of sex without contraception?

Well then, why don't we give would be bank robbers one million dollars each not to rob banks, after what is the consequences of them robbing banks?
Or, pay rapists not to rape, after all, what's the consequences of them raping?
Or murderers not to murder?
Or drunk drivers not to drive?

It's not about conquences, it's about Government over reaching it's Constitutional power!

What is the reason why you cannot answer that simple question?

What is the reason you can't read? Were you born stupid or did government schools make you that way?

 

[MarcATL]

Hmm...the justification for state-funded/sanctioned abortion and birth control is that:

Women will get abortions anyway (so they're criminal)
Women who accidentally get pregnant are bad mothers
The children of mothers who didn't plan for that child will be monsters and criminals themselves
Women aren't smart enough to budget for their own birth control
Women aren't smart enough to abstain if they can't afford their own birth control
Women are incapable of controlling their sexual impulses so the state must make sure they are at least temporarily infertile, if they can't be convinced to sterilize themselves altogether.

You got a link to support that's the justification?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...y-they-want-abortion-safe-legal-and-rare.html

A link to a link that lead to a Breitbart article.

NICE!!!


lol

I'm still left wondering why it is inconsistent with conservatism to require health insurance to provide female contraceptives at no cost to the patient/consumer.

Isn't Viagra covered under the same laws w/no complaint from Conservatives?

 

[MarcATL]

I'm still left wondering why it is inconsistent with conservatism to require health insurance to provide female contraceptives at no cost to the patient/consumer.

There's so many reasons I don't know where to start.
I'll just give this one, it expresses conservativism.
For the same reason Conservatives don't believe in the Government forcing people to buy health insurance, or anything else for that matter! Conservatives believe in self responsibility.

So they should purchase their own Viagra then. Yes?

It's easy to understand what Huckabee was talking about if you read the transcript or listened to the sound bite. There are three types of people who buy into the attempted smearing of Huckabee's statements, the borderline retarded, the truly ignorant and the little nazis who would rather believe propaganda than the truth.

The minute Huckabee said "Democrats want to tell women" without providing a single example where a Democrat has even hinted that women can't control their libidos, he was on the path to making a fool of himself. He has to deal with it and conservatives have to deal with the collateral damage he created. It would have been better for the party, had most of you come out and condemned Huckabee for spouting such vitriol, but instead you are defending him. Huckabee more or less disqualified himself for the candidacy....mark my words.

 

[itfitzme]

There's so many reasons I don't know where to start.
I'll just give this one, it expresses conservativism.
For the same reason Conservatives don't believe in the Government forcing people to buy health insurance, or anything else for that matter! Conservatives believe in self responsibility.

Saying you believe in self responsibility and actually being responsible are two different things.

There is absolutely no correlation between what people say and what they actually do. It is typical for people to say what is socially acceptable and do something entirely different.

Conservatives saying they believe in self responsibility is simple bullshit. They demonstrate more self responsibility than anyone else.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Well then, why don't we give would be bank robbers one million dollars each not to rob banks, after what is the consequences of them robbing banks?
Or, pay rapists not to rape, after all, what's the consequences of them raping?
Or murderers not to murder?
Or drunk drivers not to drive?

It's not about conquences, it's about Government over reaching it's Constitutional power!

What is the reason why you cannot answer that simple question?

What is the reason you can't read? Were you born stupid or did government schools make you that way?

Ironic given that you are the person who can't answer the simple question as to the consequences to taxpayers of sex without contraception.

 

[itfitzme]

What are the consequences to taxpayers of sex without contraception?

Well then, why don't we give would be bank robbers one million dollars each not to rob banks, after what is the consequences of them robbing banks?
Or, pay rapists not to rape, after all, what's the consequences of them raping?
Or murderers not to murder?
Or drunk drivers not to drive?

It's not about conquences, it's about Government over reaching it's Constitutional power![/QUOTE]

Hyperbole

 

[bendog]

Is there an echo in here?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I don't see a logical distinction between the govt requiring my insurance company provide a wellness checkup worth up to a thousand bucks (or whatver it is now) without out of pocket costs and female contraceptives. Saying it's an "act of nature" is simply a distinction without a difference. I'm a male approaching 60. My fcking prostate is an act of nature.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Forcing churches to violate their own doctrine is a violation of the Constitution.

 

[koshergrl]

Of course it is.

But progressives are totalitarians, and they want the churches destroyed. Period.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Of course it is.

But progressives are totalitarians, and they want the churches destroyed. Period.

They want the Constitution destroyed, that for sure.

 

[kaz]

If Insurance Companies CHOSE to offer it, and women CHOSE to pay for it, that's fine, as long as they don't charge it to everyone else's premiums

Of course it is charged to "everyone else's premiums." That's the whole concept with insurance, a percentage of people have a particular need, so it's spread across the pool. The insurance company isn't eating the cost and she's not paying for it directly, everyone is paying for it. And then on top as a business, the insurance company has to charge for the risk and administration costs and profit margin, so in fact, the pool pays more than she would have paid if she just bought it.

This whole thing isn't about money. Sandra Fluke and her buds had 5 Planned Parenthoods within 8 miles of Georgetown they could have gotten free contraception. It's about making everyone dependent on government for their basic, everyday needs. That is how you maximize government power.

"That's the whole concept with insurance, a percentage of people have a particular need, so it's spread across the pool. "

True but that is as far as the argument goes. It immediately derails with;

"And then on top as a business, the insurance company has to charge for the risk and administration costs and profit margin...

Seriously, contraceptives being part of the insurance increases risk and administration costs? That is simply ridiculous. In fact, it would be the opposite as contraceptives reduce the risk of pregnancy and the ensuing costs.

"It's about making everyone dependent on government for their basic, everyday needs. "

Also simply stupid.

What's stupid is that:

1) Insurance companies are too stupid to know whether contraceptives save them or cost them money.

2) Liberal lawyers do in fact know it saves them money

3) So the liberal lawyers are actually saving the insurance companies money.

Yes, socialism is the magic elixir, it makes capitalism better, it reduces cost, it makes us wealthier, freer and makes our farts not stink. And yet, we go on steadily barreling into socialism ... and none of that is happening ...

 

[bendog]

ummmm, private insurance insuring private citizens ..... I'm not seeing the socialism angle here. Not that obamacare may lead to single payor, but on contraception .... no.

 

[Derideo_Te]

What are the consequences to taxpayers of sex without contraception?

Well then, why don't we give would be bank robbers one million dollars each not to rob banks, after what is the consequences of them robbing banks?
Or, pay rapists not to rape, after all, what's the consequences of them raping?
Or murderers not to murder?
Or drunk drivers not to drive?

It's not about conquences, it's about Government over reaching it's Constitutional power!

Hyperbole

[/QUOTE]

Word for word IDENTICAL responses for natstew and itfitzme!

Oh wait!

Itfitzme just plagairized it from natstew!

I guess that makes them equally incapable of dealing with reality and answering the question.

 

[koshergrl]

Of course it is.

But progressives are totalitarians, and they want the churches destroyed. Period.

They want the Constitution destroyed, that for sure.

As long as there are Christians in the US, they are going to fight to uphold the Constitution and preserve innocent life. Which is one of the reasons why progressives wage war on them. Christians traditionally object to tyranny and genocide. That makes them a threat to progressivism.

 

[bendog]

Well then, why don't we give would be bank robbers one million dollars each not to rob banks, after what is the consequences of them robbing banks?
Or, pay rapists not to rape, after all, what's the consequences of them raping?
Or murderers not to murder?
Or drunk drivers not to drive?

It's not about conquences, it's about Government over reaching it's Constitutional power!

Hyperbole

Word for word IDENTICAL responses for natstew and itfitzme!

Oh wait!

Itfitzme just plagairized it from natstew!

I guess that makes them equally incapable of dealing with reality and answering the question.[/QUOTE]

Either:

one person spamming

one person plagerizing another

two people plagerizing a RW talking pt posted elsewhere

 

[whitehall]

The radical left got caught in an attempt at blatant fraud and now they are stepping all over themselves trying to change the subject.

 

[koshergrl]

Isn't that what they always do?

 

[Derideo_Te]

ummmm, private insurance insuring private citizens ..... I'm not seeing the socialism angle here. Not that obamacare may lead to single payor, but on contraception .... no.

The only reason that private insurance decided to go with providing contraception is because it is way cheaper than the costs associated with pregnancy and childbirth, by a huge margin!