Women need birth control because "they can't control their libido"

[rightwinger]

I think it's time you rejoined the other trolls rw, pballs and dc on ignore.

And you remain on ridicule

 

[koshergrl]

You are using guilt by association without any substance for your allegations. Until you can establish that actual federal funds are used by PP to provide abortions there is nothing to discuss. The audited statements of a legal non profit entity clearly show that there is more than sufficient private funding to cover multiple times the number of abortions involved.

I did show it. Gulf Coast states PP had to pay millions back to the federal government, and shut the doors of multiple clinics, because they were caught misappropriating federal funds and falsifying medical records to make it look as though the money was being used for services THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE. Why are you pretending this didn't happen? You haven't even acknowledged it..you keep saying "prove it ever happened". I did prove it. It happened. So where does that leave you?

PP settled a nuisance lawsuit by without admitting to any actual fraud!

Planned Parenthood to pay Texas $1.4 million to settle alleged fraud | Reuters

Planned Parenthood said the allegations are without merit and the group was settling "as a practical matter."

"Continuing this litigation in the hostile environment for women's health would have ensured a lengthy and costly process that would have distracted our energies and required us to share the private medical information of thousands of women," spokeswoman Rochelle Tafolla said in a statement.

"We are ending this lawsuit in order to devote all of our time and energy to delivering high quality affordable health care."

Oh, well then...as long as they say they didn't really do anything, that's good enough for me!

Lol. Gosnell says he never did anything wrong, too. He still maintains he was doing society a favor by killing babies, illegally.

PP didn't admit to anything...but they paid out millions (actually 4.3 mill) and closed several clinics.

Anyway. Busted for defrauding Medicaid and falsifying medical records. Paid out big time. Fired people, closed down the clinics...I'm sure they were faultless.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Information about and access to good contraception is a public interest item of great importance.

It is far cheaper than unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.

Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.

If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.

The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.

The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.

Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Any idiiot who talks about legitimate taxation in the public interest as 'confiscation' in the American context is a doofus on the issue, period.

Elect your candidates, then, folks, but don't let folks like Rush and Huckabee talk on your behalf.

The solid majority of women will kicked it up your political butts.

 

[kaz]

Being obsessed with the libido of women who use birth control is getting into their bedroom

Um...no it's not...

Not to mention you're still addressing your own strawman and not what he actually said.

Huckabee posed a strawman........I am just holding him to it

A strawman for a strawman isn't like a double negative that somehow cancels it out, it makes a dumb conversation even dumber.

 

[TemplarKormac]

 

[kaz]

Information about and access to good contraception is a public interest item of great importance.

It is far cheaper than unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.

Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.

If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.

The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.

The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.

Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.

There are two differences between us. First, I'm not an angry little fem who lashes out with negative rep because I don't have the balls to express myself in words. Second, I do believe in the Constitution, which gives the government the right to tax for the general welfare only. That means that everyone benefits, like the police, the military, national parks. There is no Constitutional authority for the Feds to tax to take from one person and give to another. That is unethical, immoral and unconstitutional. It is the latter use of taxes I'm referring to.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You are using guilt by association without any substance for your allegations. Until you can establish that actual federal funds are used by PP to provide abortions there is nothing to discuss. The audited statements of a legal non profit entity clearly show that there is more than sufficient private funding to cover multiple times the number of abortions involved.

I did show it. Gulf Coast states PP had to pay millions back to the federal government, and shut the doors of multiple clinics, because they were caught misappropriating federal funds and falsifying medical records to make it look as though the money was being used for services THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE. Why are you pretending this didn't happen? You haven't even acknowledged it..you keep saying "prove it ever happened". I did prove it. It happened. So where does that leave you?

PP settled a nuisance lawsuit by without admitting to any actual fraud!

Planned Parenthood to pay Texas $1.4 million to settle alleged fraud | Reuters

Planned Parenthood said the allegations are without merit and the group was settling "as a practical matter."

"Continuing this litigation in the hostile environment for women's health would have ensured a lengthy and costly process that would have distracted our energies and required us to share the private medical information of thousands of women," spokeswoman Rochelle Tafolla said in a statement.

"We are ending this lawsuit in order to devote all of our time and energy to delivering high quality affordable health care."

So you're simply going to sit there and take their word for it? Settling "as a practical matter" is cover for "Oh, I fucked up, here's some hush money."

 

[Derideo_Te]

Information about and access to good contraception is a public interest item of great importance.

It is far cheaper than unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.

Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.

If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.

The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.

The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.

Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.

I have kaz on ignore because he spouts ridiculous nonsense about "confiscated money" and is utterly clueless when it comes to the Constitution. He simply isn't worth the time to read let alone bothering to compose a response to that level of ignorance.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.

Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.

If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.

The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.

The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.

Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.

There are two differences between us. First, I'm not an angry little fem who lashes out with negative rep because I don't have the balls to express myself in words. Second, I do believe in the Constitution, which gives the government the right to tax for the general welfare only. That means that everyone benefits, like the police, the military, national parks. There is no Constitutional authority for the Feds to tax to take from one person and give to another. That is unethical, immoral and unconstitutional. It is the latter use of taxes I'm referring to.

I appreciate that you express yourself and that, generally, you are respectful about it.

The fact remains, however, that your interp of the Constitution, general welfare, taxation, and the public interest conflicts with both parties and most our citizens.

That is not going to change in our lifetimes.

 

[oreo]

Information about and access to good contraception is a public interest item of great importance.

It is far cheaper than unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.

Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.

If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.

The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.

The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.

Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.

Agreed: Furthermore--birth control pills are a prescription only drug. Insurers are and have been mandated for decades now to pay for them. As is the same for Viagra and all of the male enhancement prescription drugs that are advertised on television.

Now if men want to stop having sex with women--then we probably could get away from the birth control pill topic. But I don't see that happening anytime soon---

 

[Hum Dinger]

And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.

Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.

If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.

The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.

The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.

Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.

There are two differences between us. First, I'm not an angry little fem who lashes out with negative rep because I don't have the balls to express myself in words. Second, I do believe in the Constitution, which gives the government the right to tax for the general welfare only. That means that everyone benefits, like the police, the military, national parks. There is no Constitutional authority for the Feds to tax to take from one person and give to another. That is unethical, immoral and unconstitutional. It is the latter use of taxes I'm referring to.

Aw! I gave you a neg rep and you still crying about it. Did I hurt your wittle feewings? I'm so, so sowwy!

You do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. You obviously do not understand the U.S. Constitution, so you are not able to believe in it.

You seem to think that you can just make up anything about the U.S. Constitution, an ad hoc version of your very own...

To bad for you that the rest of America and the SCOTUS doesn't allow for your ad hoc dictates.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I did show it. Gulf Coast states PP had to pay millions back to the federal government, and shut the doors of multiple clinics, because they were caught misappropriating federal funds and falsifying medical records to make it look as though the money was being used for services THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE. Why are you pretending this didn't happen? You haven't even acknowledged it..you keep saying "prove it ever happened". I did prove it. It happened. So where does that leave you?

PP settled a nuisance lawsuit by without admitting to any actual fraud!

Planned Parenthood to pay Texas $1.4 million to settle alleged fraud | Reuters

Planned Parenthood said the allegations are without merit and the group was settling "as a practical matter."

"Continuing this litigation in the hostile environment for women's health would have ensured a lengthy and costly process that would have distracted our energies and required us to share the private medical information of thousands of women," spokeswoman Rochelle Tafolla said in a statement.

"We are ending this lawsuit in order to devote all of our time and energy to delivering high quality affordable health care."

So you're simply going to sit there and take their word for it? Settling "as a practical matter" is cover for "Oh, I fucked up, here's some hush money."

Produce some hard evidence that will stand up in court and then you have something. A bunch of partisan allegations by hack politicians on the make doesn't constitute hard evidence.

All politicians lie! That includes the ones who are telling you that PP is committing fraud. If there was even any semblance of substance to those allegations those political hacks would have ridden it into the ground in the desire to take down PP because then they would be heroes and would win in a landslide with the support of people like yourself.

But instead they allowed PP to settle with no admission of doing anything wrong. That means they had squat and they knew it going in. In this nation you can sue anybody over anything. You don't need any actual evidence of any wrongdoing to file a lawsuit. You can simply file a lawsuit with a load of allegations and then the lawyers start making money hand over fist.

It would have cost PP far more to fight that nuisance lawsuit than it took to settle. Happens all the time in this nation and there are unscrupulous lawyers who do it just to make a living. So if you are a proponent of Tort Reform the 1st place to start is to change the law so that the loser pays 100% of the legal costs. That will reduce these kinds of frivolous lawsuits by 90%.

 

[deltex1]

Why are you still talking about this? Hillary is running and she lost her libido in law school.

 

[Spoonman]

Any idiiot who talks about legitimate taxation in the public interest as 'confiscation' in the American context is a doofus on the issue, period.

Elect your candidates, then, folks, but don't let folks like Rush and Huckabee talk on your behalf.

The solid majority of women will kicked it up your political butts.

taxation is meant to benefit everyone. roads, bridges, education does. the problem is a growing amount and way too high a percentage goes to a specific segment of the population.

 

[koshergrl]

Here's another one where a PP in Abilene Texas was found guilty of falsifying records, and not meeting the standard of the testing that they were billing Medicare/medicaid for. In fact the judgement states that although it was an employee who committed the crime, the clinic, and specifically the director, were remiss because they did not provide training or oversight for the procedures and tests that they were charging the government for.

http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/civildecisions/cr2854.pdf

The crime...taking federal money allegedly to provide RH testing...but then just calling another lab and getting THEIR results and using those, instead of actually doing the testing. The clinic was not set up to do the testing, didn't have the proper equipment, and didn't train their workers to do the testing. This was standard operating procedure. Charge for rh testing, call another clinic that has previously tested them, then write down those results as if they were the results of the PP clinic.


Cuz that money wasn't going to testing at all. The *testing* is just lip service. They take the money from the government and claim they are performing services they aren't, then they ALSO take money from the patients, claiming that the feds won't pay for abortions. Score!

 

[TemplarKormac]

PP settled a nuisance lawsuit by without admitting to any actual fraud!

Planned Parenthood to pay Texas $1.4 million to settle alleged fraud | Reuters

So you're simply going to sit there and take their word for it? Settling "as a practical matter" is cover for "Oh, I fucked up, here's some hush money."

Produce some hard evidence that will stand up in court and then you have something. A bunch of partisan allegations by hack politicians on the make doesn't constitute hard evidence.

All politicians lie! That includes the ones who are telling you that PP is committing fraud. If there was even any semblance of substance to those allegations those political hacks would have ridden it into the ground in the desire to take down PP because then they would be heroes and would win in a landslide with the support of people like yourself.

But instead they allowed PP to settle with no admission of doing anything wrong. That means they had squat and they knew it going in. In this nation you can sue anybody over anything. You don't need any actual evidence of any wrongdoing to file a lawsuit. You can simply file a lawsuit with a load of allegations and then the lawyers start making money hand over fist.

It would have cost PP far more to fight that nuisance lawsuit than it took to settle. Happens all the time in this nation and there are unscrupulous lawyers who do it just to make a living. So if you are a proponent of Tort Reform the 1st place to start is to change the law so that the loser pays 100% of the legal costs. That will reduce these kinds of frivolous lawsuits by 90%.

Your usage of "nuisance lawsuit" and their usage of "settling as a practical matter" isn't hard evidence either, my good man. It would be destroyed in the court of law. Prove to me that the costs of litigating the case would have exceeded the settlement amount. I don't believe you'll be able to. Lawyers charge varying rates for representing a case. This is nothing but an assertion, Derideo.

There's no way to know what the lawyers charged or if the fees exceeded the settlement. So, we are left with my original point.

 

[Spoonman]

And you and I are free to give to charities to do that for that reason. Government has no moral authority to do it with confiscated money and no Constitutional authority to do it at all.

Freedom does not mean freedom from personal responsibility. In fact, it's lack of freedom that accomplishes that.

If you believe that government money is confiscated, then you obviously do not believe in the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to tax, so it's money is not 'confiscated'. You are contradicting yourself.

The government certainly does have the constitutional authority to provide birth control, if it is considered to be in the interest of the "General Welfare" of the American people.

The American people have the right as individuals to their own religious beliefs. To many people taking birth control is exercising personal responsibility. That may not be your belief, but you do not have the authority to dictate your interpretation of 'responsibility' to other people.

Therefore the government may provide birth control to facilitate people exercising their personal responsibility if it is deemed to be in the interest of the "general Welfare' of the American people.

Agreed: Furthermore--birth control pills are a prescription only drug. Insurers are and have been mandated for decades now to pay for them. As is the same for Viagra and all of the male enhancement prescription drugs that are advertised on television.

Now if men want to stop having sex with women--then we probably could get away from the birth control pill topic. But I don't see that happening anytime soon---

birth control does not correct a physical ailment or disease. in cases where it is used as hormone replacement therapy, it should be. but as a birth control it becomes an elective or convenience. much like plastic surgery. that should not be paid for

 

[TemplarKormac]

Oh and then there's this from the Reuters article:

Investigators determined that Planned Parenthood "falsified material information in patients' medical records" in order to support fraudulent reimbursement claims, Abbott said. ...

"Continuing this litigation in the hostile environment for women's health would have ensured a lengthy and costly process that would have distracted our energies and required us to share the private medical information of thousands of women," spokeswoman Rochelle Tafolla said in a statement.

"We are ending this lawsuit in order to devote all of our time and energy to delivering high quality affordable health care."

Where did she say the cost of the lawsuit would exceed the settlement, Derideo? Ms. Tafolla lashed out at the plaintiffs in the case, asserting Texas was a "hostile environment for women's health."

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lots of arguments die in this one sentence in Derideo's article link:

Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider operating 13 clinics in Texas which perform abortions...

Planned Parenthood to pay Texas $1.4 million to settle alleged fraud | Reuters

Meaning folks, that the environment is ripe for PP to use tax dollars for abortions. Case closed.