A PERFECT example of why PR is necessary in the modern era. There are just too many different political positions to fit into an outdated two party system.
No, not really. That's why we are sick of moderates in our party. Get them out of there.
And where are they supposed to go?
You want a party which has certain characteristics. Other Republicans want a party with other characteristics. Why are you both in the same party?
In the UK you have the Conservative Party. They are like the Republicans. The UK has FPTP. But then you have UKIP who were the party for the simple loving Conservatives. The one who think everything can be solved by doing something simple. Like leaving the EU. So the party exists. In the US it's impossible.
In Germany they have the CDU, they have Alternative For Germany, they have the FPD too. Three choices of parties who could, potentially, be a part of the governing coalition next month. Three choices. In the US there is one choice.
"choice is freedom", it's a quote and you know who from.
Well as I said, if you think Europe is so great, move to Europe. If you want to stay here, don't complain how we do things. Instead, start a third party yourself. Because government doesn't create parties, citizens do.
As for RINOs, let them join the Democrat party. After all, that's all they are anyhow. So McCain should switch parties, Kasich should switch parties, let them all leave because we don't need two Democrat parties, and some would make the case we don't even need one.
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And as I've said this is a bullshit argument.
Imagine a company, and an employee says "hey, boss, we can do things better, make more profit if we do what this other company is doing" and the boss turns around and says "well, **** off to that company if you think it's so good then"
That's retarded.
What's the point of starting a third party Ray? Do you not listen ever? The whole point is that any third party is destined to fail because of the SYSTEM.
But then we both know you like the system because it gives an unfair advantage to the right, and we know how much you like unfair advantages, don't we?
It's funny how you demand the system stays the same, and then wish for loads of Republicans to leave the Republican Party. Do you really not see the nonsense in writing this?
You act like we don't have any third parties now. We do! In fact, one of those parties ran a presidential candidate last presidential election.
Here is what you don't understand: the rest of the country doesn't want a third party; at least not a serious one. It's not the system, it's the citizens......the voters. The Libertarian party is a joke, the Green party is a joke, the Independent party is a joke, none of them are even mentioned in the election results because they don't mean anything outside who they stole votes from.
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Yes, I do. Do you know why?
Here's why.
Germany election 2005, 6 parties in government. The smallest party had 46 seats.
Argentinian election 2015, 24 parties in government, though they form into groups, with 5 groups.
US election 2016, 2 parties in government.
The Libertarian Party is the third party in the US, they have NO SEATS in Federal government. None, not a single one.
Out of 1,972 Senate seats in all of the US states, the Libertarian Party, as the third party, has ONE SEAT.
Out of 5,411 House seats, they have 3.
That's the third party. So, excuse me for acting like there aren't any third parties. Because when I think of 3rd party Ray, I think of parties that actually have enough power to be more than the threat of drizzle on a hot summer's day for the main two parties.
As for running for the presidency. How many people do you think believe that a 3rd party candidate can do anything? If anything, most people vote 3rd party simply because they don't like the main two. At no point did anyone think anyone other than a Republican or Democrat could win.
Why did Trump go Republican? He's not a Republican at all. He went Republican because he KNEW he stood no chance in a 3rd party.
In fact you know the Koch brothers tried to take over the Libertarian Party in the 1980s, don't you? And you know what they knew? That a third party was never going to do anything. So they also shifted to the Republican Party.
Also you have the Tea Party, in any other country they'd have gone on to be a party, like UKIP, like Alternative for Germany, and yet they're a part of the Republican Party.
It's all there Ray, it's quite simple.
The rest of country doesn't want a third party? Amazing Ray, amazing argument. How do they know they don't want a third party? Perhaps because the Republicans and Democrats have TOLD THEM they don't want one. If you don't realize just how controlled the people of America are right now, you'll never know.
The Libertarian Party is a joke, well, why? This is the whole point of what we're talking about. They're a joke because the system doesn't allow them a way in. None of them are ever mentioned in election results.
The question is this Ray, wouldn't you like the CHOICE of who to vote for more than, this party, that party, or a joke which will never, ever get mentioned. Never get mentioned because the system is a two party system, never get mentioned because the media likes having it easy, never get mentioned because the rich love a system where they can easily buy, and legitimately buy, politicians?
Come on Ray, half the time you're pointing out the reasons why the system is shit, the other half the time you're telling us why the US needs to be shit.
never change bro, your comedy gold EVERY DAY!
