Windmills create warming

[Old Rocks]

Except you are forgetting work performed which must be accounted for in the energy balance and that waste heat from fossil fuels did not convert sunshine into electricity that would have otherwise heated the surface of the planet. So incrementally there is no change in waste heat but there is a change in solar radiation heating the surface of the planet.

No, that heat is just moved somewhere else, converted to work, then the work creates heat. Then, of course, there is also heat lost in transmission and converting voltages.

 

[Old Rocks]

OSU. Where is yours from?

Oregon State University? No degree, studied at Portland State University, geology, highest class taken, Eng. Geo. 470/570. Took classes throughout my working career when I was only working 40 hour weeks.

 

[ding]

Oregon State University? No degree, studied at Portland State University, geology, highest class taken, Eng. Geo. 470/570. Took classes throughout my working career when I was only working 40 hour weeks.

Then you have no excuse for not understanding why the planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation and why the northern hemisphere has been controlling the climate of the planet for the last 3 million years.

 

[ding]

No, that heat is just moved somewhere else, converted to work, then the work creates heat. Then, of course, there is also heat lost in transmission and converting voltages.

Read what I wrote.

 

[elektra]

Any solar radiation converted into electricity is solar radiation which does not heat the surface of the planet. It can't do both. That would violate the law of conservation.

https://www.reserchgate.net/figure/Differences-of-MODIS-retrieved-surface-longwave-properties-averaged-over-four-years_fig3_356860141

Bullshit,

 

[elektra]

Any solar radiation converted into electricity is solar radiation which does not heat the surface of the planet. It can't do both. That would violate the law of conservation.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...rties-averaged-over-four-years_fig3_356860141

You dont have the knowledge to reply. You cant even quote your link. Grow up and quit being lazy and stupid.

A link without a discussion only proves your stupidity.

 

[ding]

You dont have the knowledge to reply. You cant even quote your link. Grow up and quit being lazy and stupid.

A link without a discussion only proves your stupidity.

Do you understand that visible light - which is converted by solar panels into electricity - isn't heat? Visible light is photons which are energy. Visible light produces heat when it strikes the surface of an object by exciting the molecules of the object. Solar panels capture visible light and converts it into electricity before the photon produces heat. Conservation of energy. The photon can't become electricity and heat the surface of the planet.

how does visible light produce heat?

what is visible light?

is visible light photons or heat?

do solar panels convert visible light into electricity?

 

[ding]

You dont have the knowledge to reply. You cant even quote your link. Grow up and quit being lazy and stupid.

A link without a discussion only proves your stupidity.

I like how you tried to make this personal.

 

[Unkotare]

'Stealing the wind': Nations actually fighting over using too much AIR! * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh

'They also are being shown to affect meteorological and atmospheric conditions'

www.wnd.com

Why didn't they follow the science...my god they've killed us all by making it worse

 

[Unkotare]

 

[elektra]

I like how you tried to make this personal.

I dont like how you deflected the point made. you think goingq] to Google, post a link you found, and that somehow is an intelligent reply

Do you understand that visible light - which is converted by solar panels into electricity - isn't heat? Visible light is photons which are energy. Visible light produces heat when it strikes the surface of an object by exciting the molecules of the object. Solar panels capture visible light and converts it into electricity before the photon produces heat. Conservation of energy. The photon can't become electricity and heat the surface of the planet.

how does visible light produce heat?

what is visible light?

is visible light photons or heat?

do solar panels convert visible light into electricity?

It is already proven that the temperature is higher around solar panels. The subject is discussed in this forum with links.

You think your links claim solar panels dont get hot and radiate heat then quote.

No quote proves you have zero proof

 

[ding]

I dont like how you deflected the point made. you think goingq] to Google, post a link you found, and that somehow is an intelligent reply

It is already proven that the temperature is higher around solar panels. The subject is discussed in this forum with links.

You think your links claim solar panels dont get hot and radiate heat then quote.

No quote proves you have zero proof

Visible light - which is converted by solar panels into electricity - isn't heat. Visible light is photons which are energy. Visible light produces heat when it strikes the surface of an object by exciting the molecules of the object. Solar panels capture visible light and converts it into electricity before the photon produces heat. Conservation of energy. The photon can't become electricity and heat the surface of the planet.

Visible light is made up of photons, the fundamental particles of light. While visible light can be absorbed and converted into heat, it's not heat itself, but rather a form of energy.

Solar panels convert visible light into electricity through a process called photovoltaics. The photovoltaic effect involves the absorption of photons (light particles) by the solar panel's material, which then releases electrons, creating an electric current. While some solar panels also absorb some UV and infrared light, visible light is the primary source of energy conversion in most solar panels.

 

[elektra]

Visible light - which is converted by solar panels into electricity - isn't heat. Visible light is photons which are energy. Visible light produces heat when it strikes the surface of an object by exciting the molecules of the object. Solar panels capture visible light and converts it into electricity before the photon produces heat. Conservation of energy. The photon can't become electricity and heat the surface of the planet.

Visible light is made up of photons, the fundamental particles of light. While visible light can be absorbed and converted into heat, it's not heat itself, but rather a form of energy.
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Solar panels convert visible light into electricity through a process called photovoltaics. The photovoltaic effect involves the absorption of photons (light particles) by the solar panel's material, which then releases electrons, creating an electric current. While some solar panels also absorb some UV and infrared light, visible light is the primary source of energy conversion in most solar panels.

Ding, solar panels heat the air around them. Your idea that the panels dont get hot baking in the sun all day is delusional.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Oregon State University? No degree, studied at Portland State University, geology, highest class taken, Eng. Geo. 470/570. Took classes throughout my working career when I was only working 40 hour weeks.

You Shure show no evidence of a college education when you defend a bogus CO2 scare that is totally stupid as it never has the needed warm forcing power needed after the first 100 ppm and negligible at the 430 ppm level and continues to decline which is standard 101 stuff.

Again, is this which warmest/alarmists continuing to ignore as they are in thrall of Pseudoscience bullshit:

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"Next, here is the radical change in downwelling radiation at the surface from the increase in CO2 that is supposed to be driving the “CLIMATE EMERGENCY!!!” What I’ve shown is the change that in theory would have occurred from the changes in CO2 from 1750 to the present, and the change that in theory will occur in the future when CO2 increases from its present value to twice the 1750 value. This is using the generally accepted (although not rigorously derived) claim that the downwelling radiation change from a doubling of CO2 is 3.7 watts per square metre (W/m2). The purpose is to show how small these CO2-caused changes are compared to total downwelling radiation.

The changes in downwelling radiation from the increase in CO2 are trivially small, lost in the noise …"

LINK

 

[ding]

Ding, solar panels heat the air around them. Your idea that the panels dont get hot baking in the sun all day is delusional.

Satellite measurements before and after installation of six solar farms says otherwise. So does conservation of energy.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Differences-of-MODIS-retrieved-surface-longwave-properties-averaged-over-four-years_fig3_356860141

 

[elektra]

Satellite measurements before and after installation of six solar farms says otherwise. So does conservation of energy.

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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Differences-of-MODIS-retrieved-surface-longwave-properties-averaged-over-four-years_fig3_356860141

Physics says researchgate is propaganda for spending 100's of trillions

Physics state that square miles of black solar panels absorb much more sun during the day then the farmland or natural area did.

All that hot sunlight that unnaturally got absorbed into square miles of black solar panels then gets unnaturally dissipated into the climate at night.

Ding you are unwittingly making the claim that solar panels are 100% efficient. They are not.

Ding, the link you gave shows you dont know nothing. Democrat controlled Google will always link to the democrat propaganda. The link with no quotes shows you are fumbling at attempting to understand

 

[ding]

Physics says researchgate is propaganda for spending 100's of trillions

Physics state that square miles of black solar panels absorb much more sun during the day then the farmland or natural area did.

All that hot sunlight that unnaturally got absorbed into square miles of black solar panels then gets unnaturally dissipated into the climate at night.

Ding you are unwittingly making the claim that solar panels are 100% efficient. They are not.

Ding, the link you gave shows you dont know nothing. Democrat controlled Google will always link to the democrat propaganda. The link with no quotes shows you are fumbling at attempting to understand

Visible light - which is converted by solar panels into electricity - isn't heat. Visible light is photons which are energy. Visible light produces heat when it strikes the surface of an object by exciting the molecules of the object. Solar panels convert these photons into electricity before the photon produces heat. Conservation of energy means these photons can't become electricity and heat the surface of the planet.

Before and after satellite measurements from six solar farms have measured a localized cooling at the farms after the solar farms were installed.

 

[elektra]

You Shure show no evidence of a college education when you defend a bogus CO2 scare that is totally stupid as it never has the needed warm forcing power needed after the first 100 ppm and negligible at the 430 ppm level and continues to decline which is standard 101 stuff.

Again, is this which warmest/alarmists continuing to ignore as they are in thrall of Pseudoscience bullshit:

===

"Next, here is the radical change in downwelling radiation at the surface from the increase in CO2 that is supposed to be driving the “CLIMATE EMERGENCY!!!” What I’ve shown is the change that in theory would have occurred from the changes in CO2 from 1750 to the present, and the change that in theory will occur in the future when CO2 increases from its present value to twice the 1750 value. This is using the generally accepted (although not rigorously derived) claim that the downwelling radiation change from a doubling of CO2 is 3.7 watts per square metre (W/m2). The purpose is to show how small these CO2-caused changes are compared to total downwelling radiation.

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The changes in downwelling radiation from the increase in CO2 are trivially small, lost in the noise …"

Old crock purposely ignores the truth.

Co2 levels are closer to historic lows than to historic highs.

We cant support the earth's population with co2 levels below 350 ppm. Co2 levels below 250 then we cant grow food to feed a small population

democrats argue the earth is over populated, democrats make life worst for humans, democrats seems like they want billions to die

 

[elektra]

Visible light - which is converted by solar panels into electricity - isn't heat. Visible light is photons which are energy. Visible light produces heat when it strikes the surface of an object by exciting the molecules of the object. Solar panels convert these photons into electricity before the photon produces heat. Conservation of energy means these photons can't become electricity and heat the surface of the planet.

Before and after satellite measurements from six solar farms have measured a localized cooling at the farms after the solar farms were installed.

Physics says you dropped out after the first week.

100% of the visible light is not converted to electricity. Where does the rest go Einstein

 

[ding]

Co2 levels are closer to historic lows than to historic highs.

Do you believe there is no GHG effect from an incremental 120 ppm of CO2?